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pheered.user
Profile Joined March 2003
United States2603 Posts
November 12 2004 13:58 GMT
#21
i would think yellow would know what he is talking about he is the best z in the world.
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Nal_Testie
Profile Joined April 2004
Canada1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 14:03:04
November 12 2004 14:02 GMT
#22
waxangel, on pellenor, requiem, and mercury, it pretty much is auto death to pool first because those maps are imbalanced.

Well to be honest, I really haven't played them enough to know 100%. But I do know anyone who pools first vs me on mercury and pellenor while I go a regular m/m build will auto lose. Not because i'm me, but just because any very good terran will know how to abuse the zergs lack of larva / small amount of gas. Requiem i'm too inexperienced on to say but most pros say expo first. It's just that on those maps.. pool first is VERY hard to pull off and you can afford 0 mistakes if you want to win. Even if you play flawlessly, you can still be overrun. As every larva counts so very much. Also, the odds of boxer doing that build all 3 games was unlikely. Like on pellenor, that's a long fucking walk if he gets cross positions.

While we're on the subject of balance.
Z is not > P on requiem. I don't care what the stats are.
And no the only option isn't to early expo and sair / reaver with 30030 cannons at the front. --;
The fact that we have flamethrowers means at some point someone said to himself - Gee I sure would like to set those people on fire over there but im just not close enough to get the job done, if only I had something that would throw the flame on them
gunkyman
Profile Joined November 2003
United States98 Posts
November 12 2004 14:02 GMT
#23
Hope he finds a way to make pool before hat work and rapes KT-KTF
<3 yellow
Snakeyez
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada456 Posts
November 12 2004 14:02 GMT
#24
i guess what yellow is saying is if you do a pool before hatch build and terran goes normal build 10 rax 12 rax etc your behind and if you hatch before pool and terran goes 8 rax or whatever your dead or really behind
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 12 2004 14:11 GMT
#25
some zerg gosu or someone else who knows the game mechanics and laws at "pro" level should elaborate on how nat-hatch is a MUST in TvZ. is the level of game really that close to perfection that win/defeat comes down to THIS decision??? i can hardly believe the "viable pathes" (like a chain of decision which arent considered as a mistake) to go through a TvZ are THAT narrow and limited.

is strategy all that matters? the execution of strategies is already at perfection?
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Elvin_vn
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
Vietnam2038 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 14:18:27
November 12 2004 14:15 GMT
#26
after this match

30% people will lost their interest in zerg
20% people will lost their interest in starcraft
starcraft's life will be shorten by 50%

boxer can create
boxer can destroy

why terran? why zerg?

yellow & boxer both have great minds, it's a zerg vs terran
do not agrue with idiots, they will pull you down to their level and beat you with their experiences
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-11-12 14:17:30
November 12 2004 14:17 GMT
#27
edit: sorry, wrong thread
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WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 12 2004 14:21 GMT
#28
many thanks [BOyGiRl]ShaRp...
hay guys u thare???
WhizKid77
Profile Joined November 2003
China682 Posts
November 12 2004 14:28 GMT
#29
On November 12 2004 23:11 wasted wrote:
is strategy all that matters? the execution of strategies is already at perfection?


i believe you are pretty damn close to the truth, if you mean that "execution" is microing units and "strategy" includes timing and unit choice and indirectly, macro. rarely do the pros "mess up" micro. thus the only real difference, and the only room for improvement up there at the pro level, is strategy.

btw the limitations of a one hat build, imo are mainly caused by the lack of larva, as testie says, and not really econ. although econ is really crappy, its not as bad as not having enough larva. you wouldn't even need all that econ if there isnt enough larva. a 2 hat one base build...is limited by gas the gas i think. econ makes a bit of difference, but not too much in early game. its the difficulty in securing the next expo (ie you'd have to make a lot of units to bust out of the expected containment, and then get the expo and fill it up with drones, while if you fast expo, the order is swapped and thus much much better for the exponentially increasing zerg econ system).
hay guys u thare???
ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
November 12 2004 14:40 GMT
#30
I respect boxer more after this.

He perfected a BO, and used it to slow yellow's macro. Instead, yellow made the whole thing look cheesy by hatching instead of pooling every time.

After the first game, he should have been more conservative, or tried a more exotic build... BUT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE SAME THING!!

Instead, he goes for the standard zvt build against someone who has just rushed him once, then twice, and then blames the game when he loses. Yellow is the one to blame here is starcraft suffers, not boxer.



And for those blaming the terrans now: we have had to put up with more than any race. Not only is T more micro-instensive, we can be cheesed the easiest with gay pylon tricks, gas stealing, etc.
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Geval
Profile Joined September 2004
788 Posts
November 12 2004 14:43 GMT
#31
On November 12 2004 23:15 Elvin_vn wrote:
after this match

30% people will lost their interest in zerg
20% people will lost their interest in starcraft
starcraft's life will be shorten by 50%

boxer can create
boxer can destroy

why terran? why zerg?

yellow & boxer both have great minds, it's a zerg vs terran

I do agree "boxer can create, boxer can destroy" but he did not do it in this game. He only pushed Blizzard to come out with a new patch.
Great math btw.... it works if 0% is playing toss
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 12 2004 14:44 GMT
#32
omg im so pissed at boxer.
i dont care what anyone says he should have given a better game to yellow.
he owed him atleast that much.
doing the same thing ( even if it worked) 3 times and winning.
think how bad yellow felt.
boxer knows that this is an entertainment business and should tried to entertain us better instead trying to go for the hat trick and win this time.
his quality of games just went down.
think about it boxer is known for his unique strats and great micro.
he did the SAME THING 3 times.
wtf is that ive never seen boxer do this before.
EVER.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 12 2004 14:49 GMT
#33
Time to play bigger maps than 128x128
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Dave[9]
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2365 Posts
November 12 2004 14:53 GMT
#34
ok i have no fucking clue why you idiots are weeping yourselfs to sleep because of what boxer did

cmon you all know boxer is a crazy man, he will do crazy things.

this is no different from him doing a nuke rush, or that 4 rax float to kill the z

he's just smart, thinking outside of the box

now stop sucking yellows dick and get over it
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=104154&currentpage=316#6317
ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 12 2004 14:58 GMT
#35
how about you get over us posting about boxer
i admin that it was a good idea to do that bunker scv rush when i heard about it i was really excited that this worked.

but he did the same thing 3 times............
things that are unique and creative are that way because they are new and work wonders.
the fact that he did the same thing to the same person in 3 consecutive matches for the same tournament is kinda annoying :/. thats all.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 12 2004 14:58 GMT
#36
On November 12 2004 23:44 ahk-gosu wrote:
wtf is that ive never seen boxer do this before.
EVER.


that's boxer's trademark. doing stuff that noone has seen him doing before
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (S)1912 Posts
November 12 2004 15:02 GMT
#37
Boxer is not the one to blame..but I think Yellow isn't the one to blame as well..
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ahk-gosu
Profile Joined July 2004
Korea (South)2099 Posts
November 12 2004 15:04 GMT
#38
yes thats true but i guess these fans of the "great emperor" didnt see the originality in it after seeing it 3 consecutive times.

look at manis post.
hes practically saying dont bother with the vods. he did the same crap.

if i went to korea to watch this boxer vs yellow match and all i saw was some cheezy crap that i can watch in a pubbie game with scv rushing bm people i would not have bothered going.

we just expected more of boxer.
after all it was yellow he was facing. the games were supposed to be legendary. scv bunker rushing 3 times in a row ( although i admit yellow kinda fucked up doing expo 3 times) is pretty boring.
Micro.Macro.Scouting.Harassment.
wasted
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany1789 Posts
November 12 2004 15:11 GMT
#39
On November 13 2004 00:04 ahk-gosu wrote:
yes thats true but i guess these fans of the "great emperor" didnt see the originality in it after seeing it 3 consecutive times.


the act of doing it 3 times in a row IS the originality imho
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ProudCappi
Profile Joined October 2004
United States366 Posts
November 12 2004 15:18 GMT
#40
Boxer was rushing.... yellow could have countered it with basically any other BO. However, boxer took the chance that yellow would do the standard zvt build and it worked.

You can't fast expo and then complain "waaah! I was cheesed" when your opponent counters it correctly.

If boxer had not built an ebay, would yellow be cheesing to lurker drop? Is it cheese to target turrets/comsat with dt/lurks? Is it cheese to try and break T's wall in TvP? Is it chese to zealot-bomb? No, and neither is what boxer did. It's about time zergs stop getting their free nat.
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