EPTYellow's side of the story. - Page 2
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pheered.user
United States2603 Posts
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Nal_Testie
Canada1257 Posts
Well to be honest, I really haven't played them enough to know 100%. But I do know anyone who pools first vs me on mercury and pellenor while I go a regular m/m build will auto lose. Not because i'm me, but just because any very good terran will know how to abuse the zergs lack of larva / small amount of gas. Requiem i'm too inexperienced on to say but most pros say expo first. It's just that on those maps.. pool first is VERY hard to pull off and you can afford 0 mistakes if you want to win. Even if you play flawlessly, you can still be overrun. As every larva counts so very much. Also, the odds of boxer doing that build all 3 games was unlikely. Like on pellenor, that's a long fucking walk if he gets cross positions. While we're on the subject of balance. Z is not > P on requiem. I don't care what the stats are.  And no the only option isn't to early expo and sair / reaver with 30030 cannons at the front. --; | ||
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gunkyman
United States98 Posts
<3 yellow | ||
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Snakeyez
Canada456 Posts
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
is strategy all that matters? the execution of strategies is already at perfection? | ||
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Elvin_vn
Vietnam2038 Posts
30% people will lost their interest in zerg 20% people will lost their interest in starcraft starcraft's life will be shorten by 50% boxer can create boxer can destroy why terran? why zerg? yellow & boxer both have great minds, it's a zerg vs terran | ||
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
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WhizKid77
China682 Posts
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WhizKid77
China682 Posts
On November 12 2004 23:11 wasted wrote: is strategy all that matters? the execution of strategies is already at perfection? i believe you are pretty damn close to the truth, if you mean that "execution" is microing units and "strategy" includes timing and unit choice and indirectly, macro. rarely do the pros "mess up" micro. thus the only real difference, and the only room for improvement up there at the pro level, is strategy. btw the limitations of a one hat build, imo are mainly caused by the lack of larva, as testie says, and not really econ. although econ is really crappy, its not as bad as not having enough larva. you wouldn't even need all that econ if there isnt enough larva. a 2 hat one base build...is limited by gas the gas i think. econ makes a bit of difference, but not too much in early game. its the difficulty in securing the next expo (ie you'd have to make a lot of units to bust out of the expected containment, and then get the expo and fill it up with drones, while if you fast expo, the order is swapped and thus much much better for the exponentially increasing zerg econ system). | ||
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ProudCappi
United States366 Posts
He perfected a BO, and used it to slow yellow's macro. Instead, yellow made the whole thing look cheesy by hatching instead of pooling every time. After the first game, he should have been more conservative, or tried a more exotic build... BUT HE SHOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE SAME THING!! Instead, he goes for the standard zvt build against someone who has just rushed him once, then twice, and then blames the game when he loses. Yellow is the one to blame here is starcraft suffers, not boxer. And for those blaming the terrans now: we have had to put up with more than any race. Not only is T more micro-instensive, we can be cheesed the easiest with gay pylon tricks, gas stealing, etc. | ||
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Geval
788 Posts
On November 12 2004 23:15 Elvin_vn wrote: after this match 30% people will lost their interest in zerg 20% people will lost their interest in starcraft starcraft's life will be shorten by 50% boxer can create boxer can destroy why terran? why zerg? yellow & boxer both have great minds, it's a zerg vs terran I do agree "boxer can create, boxer can destroy" but he did not do it in this game. He only pushed Blizzard to come out with a new patch. Great math btw.... it works if 0% is playing toss | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
i dont care what anyone says he should have given a better game to yellow. he owed him atleast that much. doing the same thing ( even if it worked) 3 times and winning. think how bad yellow felt. boxer knows that this is an entertainment business and should tried to entertain us better instead trying to go for the hat trick and win this time. his quality of games just went down. think about it boxer is known for his unique strats and great micro. he did the SAME THING 3 times. wtf is that ive never seen boxer do this before. EVER. | ||
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Amnesty
United States2054 Posts
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Dave[9]
United States2365 Posts
cmon you all know boxer is a crazy man, he will do crazy things. this is no different from him doing a nuke rush, or that 4 rax float to kill the z he's just smart, thinking outside of the box now stop sucking yellows dick and get over it | ||
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
 i admin that it was a good idea to do that bunker scv rush when i heard about it i was really excited that this worked. but he did the same thing 3 times............ things that are unique and creative are that way because they are new and work wonders. the fact that he did the same thing to the same person in 3 consecutive matches for the same tournament is kinda annoying :/. thats all. | ||
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
On November 12 2004 23:44 ahk-gosu wrote: wtf is that ive never seen boxer do this before. EVER. that's boxer's trademark. doing stuff that noone has seen him doing before | ||
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[BOyGiRl]ShaRp
Korea (S)1912 Posts
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ahk-gosu
Korea (South)2099 Posts
look at manis post. hes practically saying dont bother with the vods. he did the same crap. if i went to korea to watch this boxer vs yellow match and all i saw was some cheezy crap that i can watch in a pubbie game with scv rushing bm people i would not have bothered going. we just expected more of boxer. after all it was yellow he was facing. the games were supposed to be legendary. scv bunker rushing 3 times in a row ( although i admit yellow kinda fucked up doing expo 3 times) is pretty boring. | ||
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wasted
Germany1789 Posts
On November 13 2004 00:04 ahk-gosu wrote: yes thats true but i guess these fans of the "great emperor" didnt see the originality in it after seeing it 3 consecutive times. the act of doing it 3 times in a row IS the originality imho | ||
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ProudCappi
United States366 Posts
You can't fast expo and then complain "waaah! I was cheesed" when your opponent counters it correctly. If boxer had not built an ebay, would yellow be cheesing to lurker drop? Is it cheese to target turrets/comsat with dt/lurks? Is it cheese to try and break T's wall in TvP? Is it chese to zealot-bomb? No, and neither is what boxer did. It's about time zergs stop getting their free nat. | ||
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