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On November 14 2004 16:39 Bladox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2004 16:05 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 10:27 Bladox wrote:On November 14 2004 10:14 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 09:51 Bladox wrote:
I always thought terran had an advantage and finally the confirmation has come.
here is some changes that would be accurate(I think) to balance terrans:
1- scv hp MUST be reduced to 40, not 50, 40!
2-medics ''heal'' ability sould cost 2 per hp recovered. 1 is plain stupid. Currently 1 medic can fully recover 6 marines and more excluding the mana regenaration......wtf is that....
As it is for now I say to blizzard: put 2 mana per hp or put infinite mana... there is no difference between 1 per hp and infinite mana....
3- Irradiate cost MUST be increased, 75 is too cheap. Considering Spawn broodling that cost 150 and that the ability itself suck compared to irradiate
I think these 3 changes will help zerg being equal to terran
shut the fuck up, yellow losing to a bunker rush doesnt make the game imbalanced. Seriously all you idiots talking about balance on tl.net pretending like you know what you are talking about get irritating. How about you stop sucking at bw and get better. First of all you plz SHUT THE FUCK UP I posted what I think of this matchup as it is for now. You may not agree but there is a more polite way to express it. I never said that yellow losing 3-0 is making zvt unbalanced I said that I always thought zvt was unbalanced and I submitted some changes that (I think) would be accurate. and finally I didnt pretend that I knew for sure what I was talking about, I said (I think). This is an opinion. And yeah I almost forgot... If you could read BETTER instead of posting utter crap posts, this forum should be even better. Because for now the only person who looks idiot(that is the word you employed?) here is you. thx^^ uh as you can see, saying that now your idiotic beliefs have been "confirmed" You said that because yellow lost 0-3 to boxer with him bunker rushing the game needs a complete overhall to help newbies like you out I said : ''Finally the confirmation has come'' because look at the 1st post of the topic plz.... Yellow said that he thinks terran has an advantage (HE confirmed what I thought) and if there is someone in this world that knows this game better than everyone else (especially the zvt matchup), I think it is yellow. So even if you say anything about balance, I think I'll listen to what this guy is saying ok? instead of loosing my time with someone like you who cannot even be called a starcraft player compared to him... His understanding of the game is greater that you could'nt imagine. That is why I said ''the confirmation has come'' gg no re
Thats a weak argument Bladox. You're claiming the "confirmation" of imbalance in Starcraft has come because of what Yellow said? In the very next line he proceeds by saying he shouldn't blame the game, implying that any mention of imbalance is absurd.
Lets not forget the circumstances of Yellows statement. He was obviously extremely depressed, and intense emotional states can disallow cohesive thinking and solid logic. I think its far more likely Yellow spoke about imbalance more out of shock, depression and bewilderment at what had happened than anything else. If I were you, I'd wait for him to speak again at a later date. What if he were to refute his own statement?
And Yellow is but one pro gamer. Most will tell you that the game itself is balanced, and its only the maps that tilt the scale. Dont some leagues have maps favoring zerg? And what of maps like paradoxxx? An inherently "imbalanced" game couldnt have lasted this long and with such ardent support.
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Bladox, i don't see how those changes would make yellow win against the bunkers rushes  all u said comes after the bunk rush, makes no sense 
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make bunkers build longer and/or repair slower would help stop bunker cheeses
what else are bunkers used for anyway?
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fayth scv hp to 40 would affect the bunker rush a LOT
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bunker rush is bull shit
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increase drones hp to 60 would help :p
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On November 15 2004 12:59 Fayth[pG] wrote:Bladox, i don't see how those changes would make yellow win against the bunkers rushes all u said comes after the bunk rush, makes no sense
When I wrote that I wasnt thinking about rushes at all I juste posted some changes that I think would be okay. It is sure that medics and sci vessels arent implicated in rushes.
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On November 15 2004 12:55 Gandalf the Wizard wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2004 16:39 Bladox wrote:On November 14 2004 16:05 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 10:27 Bladox wrote:On November 14 2004 10:14 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 09:51 Bladox wrote:
I always thought terran had an advantage and finally the confirmation has come.
here is some changes that would be accurate(I think) to balance terrans:
1- scv hp MUST be reduced to 40, not 50, 40!
2-medics ''heal'' ability sould cost 2 per hp recovered. 1 is plain stupid. Currently 1 medic can fully recover 6 marines and more excluding the mana regenaration......wtf is that....
As it is for now I say to blizzard: put 2 mana per hp or put infinite mana... there is no difference between 1 per hp and infinite mana....
3- Irradiate cost MUST be increased, 75 is too cheap. Considering Spawn broodling that cost 150 and that the ability itself suck compared to irradiate
I think these 3 changes will help zerg being equal to terran
shut the fuck up, yellow losing to a bunker rush doesnt make the game imbalanced. Seriously all you idiots talking about balance on tl.net pretending like you know what you are talking about get irritating. How about you stop sucking at bw and get better. First of all you plz SHUT THE FUCK UP I posted what I think of this matchup as it is for now. You may not agree but there is a more polite way to express it. I never said that yellow losing 3-0 is making zvt unbalanced I said that I always thought zvt was unbalanced and I submitted some changes that (I think) would be accurate. and finally I didnt pretend that I knew for sure what I was talking about, I said (I think). This is an opinion. And yeah I almost forgot... If you could read BETTER instead of posting utter crap posts, this forum should be even better. Because for now the only person who looks idiot(that is the word you employed?) here is you. thx^^ uh as you can see, saying that now your idiotic beliefs have been "confirmed" You said that because yellow lost 0-3 to boxer with him bunker rushing the game needs a complete overhall to help newbies like you out I said : ''Finally the confirmation has come'' because look at the 1st post of the topic plz.... Yellow said that he thinks terran has an advantage (HE confirmed what I thought) and if there is someone in this world that knows this game better than everyone else (especially the zvt matchup), I think it is yellow. So even if you say anything about balance, I think I'll listen to what this guy is saying ok? instead of loosing my time with someone like you who cannot even be called a starcraft player compared to him... His understanding of the game is greater that you could'nt imagine. That is why I said ''the confirmation has come'' gg no re Thats a weak argument Bladox. You're claiming the "confirmation" of imbalance in Starcraft has come because of what Yellow said? In the very next line he proceeds by saying he shouldn't blame the game, implying that any mention of imbalance is absurd. Lets not forget the circumstances of Yellows statement. He was obviously extremely depressed, and intense emotional states can disallow cohesive thinking and solid logic. I think its far more likely Yellow spoke about imbalance more out of shock, depression and bewilderment at what had happened than anything else. If I were you, I'd wait for him to speak again at a later date. What if he were to refute his own statement? And Yellow is but one pro gamer. Most will tell you that the game itself is balanced, and its only the maps that tilt the scale. Dont some leagues have maps favoring zerg? And what of maps like paradoxxx? An inherently "imbalanced" game couldnt have lasted this long and with such ardent support.
Yeah I know losing 3-0 in a mere 20 minutes can makes anyone (especially someone who train 15 hours + a day) say anything because of the emotional shock. As for the maps I dont complaint about that: some maps balance some races everybody know that... I only posted changes to things that makes non-sense to me right now, You may not agree at all . I'm not imposing my point of view to anybody this is just and opinion, an idea.
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On November 15 2004 16:03 Bladox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2004 12:55 Gandalf the Wizard wrote:On November 14 2004 16:39 Bladox wrote:On November 14 2004 16:05 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 10:27 Bladox wrote:On November 14 2004 10:14 Sadist wrote:On November 14 2004 09:51 Bladox wrote:
I always thought terran had an advantage and finally the confirmation has come.
here is some changes that would be accurate(I think) to balance terrans:
1- scv hp MUST be reduced to 40, not 50, 40!
2-medics ''heal'' ability sould cost 2 per hp recovered. 1 is plain stupid. Currently 1 medic can fully recover 6 marines and more excluding the mana regenaration......wtf is that....
As it is for now I say to blizzard: put 2 mana per hp or put infinite mana... there is no difference between 1 per hp and infinite mana....
3- Irradiate cost MUST be increased, 75 is too cheap. Considering Spawn broodling that cost 150 and that the ability itself suck compared to irradiate
I think these 3 changes will help zerg being equal to terran
shut the fuck up, yellow losing to a bunker rush doesnt make the game imbalanced. Seriously all you idiots talking about balance on tl.net pretending like you know what you are talking about get irritating. How about you stop sucking at bw and get better. First of all you plz SHUT THE FUCK UP I posted what I think of this matchup as it is for now. You may not agree but there is a more polite way to express it. I never said that yellow losing 3-0 is making zvt unbalanced I said that I always thought zvt was unbalanced and I submitted some changes that (I think) would be accurate. and finally I didnt pretend that I knew for sure what I was talking about, I said (I think). This is an opinion. And yeah I almost forgot... If you could read BETTER instead of posting utter crap posts, this forum should be even better. Because for now the only person who looks idiot(that is the word you employed?) here is you. thx^^ uh as you can see, saying that now your idiotic beliefs have been "confirmed" You said that because yellow lost 0-3 to boxer with him bunker rushing the game needs a complete overhall to help newbies like you out I said : ''Finally the confirmation has come'' because look at the 1st post of the topic plz.... Yellow said that he thinks terran has an advantage (HE confirmed what I thought) and if there is someone in this world that knows this game better than everyone else (especially the zvt matchup), I think it is yellow. So even if you say anything about balance, I think I'll listen to what this guy is saying ok? instead of loosing my time with someone like you who cannot even be called a starcraft player compared to him... His understanding of the game is greater that you could'nt imagine. That is why I said ''the confirmation has come'' gg no re Thats a weak argument Bladox. You're claiming the "confirmation" of imbalance in Starcraft has come because of what Yellow said? In the very next line he proceeds by saying he shouldn't blame the game, implying that any mention of imbalance is absurd. Lets not forget the circumstances of Yellows statement. He was obviously extremely depressed, and intense emotional states can disallow cohesive thinking and solid logic. I think its far more likely Yellow spoke about imbalance more out of shock, depression and bewilderment at what had happened than anything else. If I were you, I'd wait for him to speak again at a later date. What if he were to refute his own statement? And Yellow is but one pro gamer. Most will tell you that the game itself is balanced, and its only the maps that tilt the scale. Dont some leagues have maps favoring zerg? And what of maps like paradoxxx? An inherently "imbalanced" game couldnt have lasted this long and with such ardent support. Yeah I know losing 3-0 in a mere 20 minutes can makes anyone (especially someone who train 15 hours + a day) say anything because of the emotional shock. As for the maps I dont complaint about that: some maps balance some races everybody know that... I only posted changes to things that makes non-sense to me right now, You may not agree at all . I'm not imposing my point of view to anybody this is just and opinion, an idea.
A counter will be found. It better be, because I can't imagine anything else that would work without imbalancing any other part of the game.
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On November 15 2004 04:45 exalted wrote:Bladox, Sadist is a much better player than you will ever be, and even though he's a T player the changes you suggested are bullshit and you really need to shut the fuck up.
Sadist is a way more better player than me that is for sure but his reaction to the 1st post I made wasnt reprensentative of a great player at all. Instead of saying that he disagreed with my changes, he started flaming and insulting. I submitted these changes in order to receive feeback from people. Not to hear stupid comments like : ''you dont know what you talk about stfu blablabla...'' with no arguments at all explaining why my ideas seemed wrong to him. As a good example of what I hoped for look at my discussion with ProudCappi. He said he did not agree to what I wrote so he explained his point of view and so on. There were no spaming at all and everything was fine. I mean if some people gets too angry with this game ... let it go man.....
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what you have to learn in life is that people are dicks
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I think yellow is allowed to admit that terran has more advantages,
of course he (and all progamers) know it won't help his sportsmanship to blame imbalances for losses, but doesn't mean he has to make a vow of silence on the subject
now now people dont look at my drone icon and assume i'm just a bitter zergling, i chose it cos when i registered all i saw were terran/toss icons
to learn the game i play all matchups because i think it's the best way to realise strategies and unit interactions, and every time i lose i learn about the other race strategies and timing
i usually choose zerg in zvt because if i do win i feel more rewarded than winning as T, i feel the zerg player has to be playing at his 120% to win vs a Terran on the same level IMHO
out of the 3 possible different matchups i think TvP is pretty balanced but
Z>P and T>Z in general for players on the same level
the spawning pool cost was increased from 150 to 200 a long time ago for a reason...the zergling health was decreased from 40 to 35 for a reason too..the dragoon build time was increased , storm damage decreased etc..that's partially what patches are for isn't it?
i thought it was generally agreed that a 1 base zerg can't compete with a 1 base terran for too long unless terran fucks up, mainly because of their reliance on gas-munching units like mutas and lurkers cos success with basic units (hydra and ling) vs M&M is not unheard of but quite risky and rare, unlike ZvP
its things like this "cheese" bunker rush (which sometimes works on a protoss' main base too)that would inspire changes in units and buildings don't you think? i'm not talking to anyone in particular so please don't flame me thanks, enough from me have a nice day all~
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yellow lost his game on a very bad way
hmmm... his fans will also support him as before i think
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tvZ is a little imbalanced these days yes in my imho
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Boxer and Yellow were matching like finger guessing game.
For the consecutive 3 times, Boxer chose stone and Yellow chose scissors, so Boxer win !
ps: in a finger guessing game, you can choose one thing one time from stone, scissors and cloth.
rules are :
stone > scissors
scissors > cloth
cloth > stone
^_^
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On November 16 2004 00:27 cuteboy wrote:
Boxer and Yellow were matching like finger guessing game.
For the consecutive 3 times, Boxer chose stone and Yellow chose scissors, so Boxer win !
ps: in a finger guessing game, you can choose one thing one time from stone, scissors and cloth.
rules are :
stone > scissors
scissors > cloth
cloth > stone
^_^
lol....cuteboy is cute
finger guessing game = rock paper scissors in english 
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On November 16 2004 00:34 mindspike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 16 2004 00:27 cuteboy wrote:
Boxer and Yellow were matching like finger guessing game.
For the consecutive 3 times, Boxer chose stone and Yellow chose scissors, so Boxer win !
ps: in a finger guessing game, you can choose one thing one time from stone, scissors and cloth.
rules are :
stone > scissors
scissors > cloth
cloth > stone
^_^ lol....cuteboy is cute finger guessing game = rock paper scissors in english
oh, I got it.
Thx for giving the correct phrase.
ps: "stone scissors cloth" is really chinese style
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I think blizzard should hire Bladox
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Norway10161 Posts
You guys should realize yellow wrote this in deepest depression. Both he and Boxer qualified a week before anyone else, and have been non-stop practicing since then. How would you feel if you devoted 2 weeks to 12+ hours practice only to have it all ripped apart without doing anything at all. Poor guy.
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