Maybe there should be a different set of maps for each matchup, considering how different the matchups are and how important map effects are.

edit: Also, SCV hit points should probably be reduced to 50, they are a bit too good at fighting right now I think.

gravity

Australia2074 Posts

November 12 2004 18:06 GMT

#64

There's still a possibility that Zerg can come up with a good new opening now that 12 hatch expand vs terran has been "refuted" (to use chess terminology).

AMDme

84 Posts

November 12 2004 18:11 GMT

#65

hehe, boxer's rush prefect

x2fst

1272 Posts

November 12 2004 18:21 GMT

#66

On November 13 2004 00:49 ssidengi wrote:

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think of the next best current zerg player right now besides yellow..

well.. if you're thinking of the same guy I am... the guy lost 5 times against that strat in a non-broadcast setting..

in the end it boils down to boxer making a brilliant strat against 12 hatch..

and yellow being the sacrificial lamb in showing that strat to the SC community.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I feel sorry for Yellow but it seems like the maps need to change for this to not be such a big problem

InsanitY

Germany352 Posts

November 12 2004 18:44 GMT

#67

poor yellow .. i wanted boxer to win... but 3-0 in a way like this is just not what yellows skills are worth hopefully he'll keep up his anger for a week and beat the shit out of reach next friday

GrooVe

Finland196 Posts

November 12 2004 19:00 GMT

#68

I hope hes joking... i think hes not. I bet my moneys that next time Yell0w is going to cheese.

Silvanel

Poland4751 Posts

November 12 2004 19:11 GMT

#69

While it is certainly sad i dont see point in blaming anythink expect yellow himself for it. Common people were always saying that terran/protts/zerg is weakest race, it can't win on certian maps, or versus. I remember times when almost everyone were saying that protoss is too weak, and there when noone has expected that reach and ra poped out. The only thing that does not change is yellow complaing on the game itself and weekness of zerg. I remember him saying that in some talk with Bill Roper years ago. It his and only his foult, he is blaiming game itself for the fact he could not win, for the fact he was cheesed 3 times in row. If the terran is reaaly that powerfull, maybe he should switched to terr, and not stick to that "usless" zerg.

He should blame his attitude towards the game for his loses, if he really thinks that his chances are lower, and he cant win despite better perfomce becouse of the imbalance of game itself then u got an answer. He already lost mental aspect of the game.

I will put it in strong words maybe too strong but i belive this true.

Yellow has loser mentality and that is his problem, nothing more.

Famouzze

971 Posts

November 12 2004 19:39 GMT

#70

I think yellow is right. It's a problem with the game. THere's absolutely no reason why terran should win as much as it does. Blizz will never change it but IMO the Korean starcraft leagues should..

thelucas

Slovakia285 Posts

November 12 2004 19:40 GMT

#71

I am thinking about future games. What will do yellow? He must recover. He is the best one zerg.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4520 Posts

November 12 2004 19:41 GMT

#72

I think yellow underestimates himself. I'm sure he can play pool before hatch or, 2nd hatch in-base and play to compete. These builds are viable, especially 2nd hatch in-base is a pretty decent strat and you have many options using that build. Yellow is good enough to make it work, he just needs more confidence. >_<

Splinter

United States188 Posts

November 12 2004 19:45 GMT

#73

On November 13 2004 04:00 GrooVe wrote:
I hope hes joking... i think hes not. I bet my moneys that next time Yell0w is going to cheese.

Zerg don't really have many cheese options. It's usually you win right there, or you lose. With early terran rushes, even if you don't manage to kill the zerg, you don't end up too far behind, because the zerg has to sacrifice drones and/or do a poor econ build in order to stop it.

Splinter

United States188 Posts

November 12 2004 19:46 GMT

#74

On November 13 2004 04:41 ret wrote:
I think yellow underestimates himself. I'm sure he can play pool before hatch or, 2nd hatch in-base and play to compete. These builds are viable, especially 2nd hatch in-base is a pretty decent strat and you have many options using that build. Yellow is good enough to make it work, he just needs more confidence. >_<

Boxer needs more confidence also. Then we wouldn't have as many games like this.

yOOysi

Poland726 Posts

November 12 2004 19:53 GMT

#75

This is sad.....

Yellow have depression i think.

likeboxer

Korea (South)465 Posts

November 12 2004 20:10 GMT

#76

agree

Silvanel

Poland4751 Posts

November 12 2004 20:13 GMT

#77

Agreed 2

{CC}StealthBlue

United States41117 Posts

November 12 2004 20:20 GMT

#78

should change the poll to

Is Yellow a Pansy?

SoL.Origin

Argentina2400 Posts

November 12 2004 20:38 GMT

#79

I lost respect for yellow, his posts was so unprofessional, his way of playing was so unprofessional, and not to mention that he didnt even expect the cheese master and micro master to ever do something like that (it had to happen at some point, he has the best micro in the world, why would he not go for a micro-intensive game?).

I also think zergs should review their micro and initial builds and counters to bunker rush, considering even yellow still falls for that, and 3 times in a row. -_-

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4520 Posts

November 12 2004 20:45 GMT

#80

It is infact hard to play zvt without fast exp tho.

2 rax tank push -> hard to stop right?
2 rax to dropship lift -> hard to stop if done well right?
2 rax cc mass macro terran -> hard to beat right?
2 rax 1-0 straightforward to vessel tank play -> hard to beat if terran has good micro right?
2 port wraith. etc
metal. etc
and so on.

imagine being safe vs all these strategies with pool BEFORE hatch...and not actually being behind a significant ammount...