[SWL] KT Rolster vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 50

On March 08 2011 03:19 mierin wrote:
Yuck. Just...Yuck

50 minerals in a barracks, gg comes out...you can't explain that.

On March 08 2011 03:19 mierin wrote:
Yuck. Just...Yuck

50 minerals in a barracks, gg comes out...you can't explain that.

On March 08 2011 03:15 darktreb wrote:
If you listen closely to the VOD (or if you understand TvZ timings) you'll know that Flash had time to do two sets of scans (so 4 scans). Therefore he was pretty much guaranteed to scan the Hydra den, since he'd either get it the first time (which he actually didn't! Jaedong got lucky that Flash chose main/natural to scan) or, seeing as how JD had no Spire (or any tech buildings at all for that matter), he'd definitely scan the third Hatch with his third scan.

Basically given the Academy timing there was no way Flash was going to fail to scan the Hydra Den and once that happened of course he's going to send out an SCV. He even could have sent out an SCV after the first set of scans where he came up empty (but I'm sure he knew that the Lurker timing that early was impossible).

As for people complaining about 14CC, are you serious? Flash scouted before 14CC. If anything Jaedong is the one who took a blind risk, assuming that Flash's scout indicated that Flash was doing the scout -> 14CC build, as opposed to some sort of delayed Bunker rush or something (now that would be some great mind games).

Basically I don't fully understand Jaedong's build because I don't see how with 3 Hatch before Pool you can manage to do the Lurker bust before getting your Hydra Den scanned (since Terran has 4 scans). I think Jaedong would have been better off just being annoying at Flash's natural cliff. This would have delayed Flash just as long if not longer than the runby that totally failed, and he still could have followed up with his double expand build. Even with a Bunker near the min line it's still a huge pain to clear out Lurkers up there with only infantry (and Flash wasn't even adding a Factory yet). Seems to me that choice would have been strictly better, not saying I know better than the Dong of course, but hindsight helps.

On March 08 2011 04:30 Ikonn wrote:


I know right! Unlike zerglings, who are half the price and so very rarely win games for zerg

On March 07 2011 22:45 dibbaN wrote:

Yada yada, come back when you possess the ability to understand my point.

No one has questioned Flashs M&M micro is the best of the best, that is pretty much presupposed. In regards of micro a peculiar thing is how an excellent Terran micro completely nullifies any micro the Zerg has.

My original point was that it's sad that throwing so many units at a crucial point in the game has no major impact when, if it instead were the Zerg who threw the units, he could might aswell surrender immediately.

Both of these points have been proven several times by J and F, when the former was considered the obvious best and won several starleagues the same year, but would still lose to F on many occassions. Whereas in 90% of those scenarios J did everything possible but still lost, and in the remaining 10% he did something stupid he knew he had lost straight away. FvZ was probably even better back then too.

PS. Questioning what is given is not equal to being angry. Try not to think out too loud, you are by doing so proving that the good old quote "It's better to keep quiet and have people think you stupid, than to talk and confirm it." needs an extension for internet forums. :-)

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On March 08 2011 05:20 zenMaster wrote:

Hiding behind buildings or blocking chokes can easily solve lings, but you can't do shit about marines once the Terran builds up a big MnM ball.

Lurkers? Focus kill one then run back, attack from different angle. U Mad lurker?
Swarm? Drag select and move back. U Mad defiler?

On March 08 2011 05:42 Eun_Star wrote:
Seriously? After +10 years of bw, people are still complaining about balance. Jaedong made mistakes in the game which lead to his loss. Flash played near perfect.

Flash went for up-terran build with 5 rax, sacrificing his tech. Had Jaedong went mutalisks, he would have been a worse position imo. Flash would have had his m&m forces with +1 upgrades all over the map, and there is no way a group of muta can easily handle that (jaedong also went for fast carapace upgrade to match the +1 of flash). So Jaedong tried to do a back stab, which was immediately caught by flash. Luckily for jaedong flash had the most of his units out on the field and his 5 rax just came up, jaedong had the chance to harrass the natural, but he decided to run-by, which failed. Jaedong knew that he was incredibly behind at this point, so he tries to double expand by taking the mineral only and 11 o'clock expansion. Guess what, jaedong had a poor positioning of lurkers and flash rolled over jaedong from there. You can't cry about marines because flash split his marines and found a opening in jaedong's defense. Had flash failed the attack, jaedong would have easily taken the 4th gas to go into hive play. Iirc, flash didn't even have enough minerals to expand while pumping marines from 5 rax.