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Ya, Flash with MnM is a thing of beauty. And it's amazing how he always seemed to have a scan left in his comsats at every crucial moment. His tech was so late due to his 5 Rax build, and still he crushed JD's lurker build.  But JD should've totally been able to do a better job at stalling Flash's MnM forces with lurkers considering how late Flash's vessel were. Stuff like throwing away a handful of 'em in that pointless runby was very sloppy and unnecessary. JD didn't play that game out optimally in any way. 
While that was obviuously far from their best game (we didn't even get Hive tech), 1) at least we got FvJ at all unlike last time and 2) the game was actually pretty exctiting IMO. Could've been a lot worse.
Also, I'm happy Flash is through his slump now. It had me really worried. ^__^
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On March 07 2011 23:05 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice. it was on Icarus,TvZ in icarus is borderline bad. It's basically Reverse Temple reversed ( ). I was not into BW at the time RTemple was still in use, can anyone tell me why it was such a Z graveyard? The low ground main? Difficulty to take a 3rd gas?
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hi guys where can i watch the replay of Flash vs. Jaedong? anyone pls. thx
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On March 07 2011 23:18 mnesthes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:05 jpak wrote:On March 07 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice. it was on Icarus,TvZ in icarus is borderline bad. It's basically Reverse Temple reversed ( ). I was not into BW at the time RTemple was still in use, can anyone tell me why it was such a Z graveyard? The low ground main? Difficulty to take a 3rd gas?
It's mostly because, if not cross positions, the Terran had a very short push distance. The metagame back then put a lot of emphasis on a Terran's ability to push the Zerg before defilers came out. If anyone else has something to say, then please share.
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On March 07 2011 23:30 jpak wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 23:18 mnesthes wrote:On March 07 2011 23:05 jpak wrote:On March 07 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice. it was on Icarus,TvZ in icarus is borderline bad. It's basically Reverse Temple reversed ( ). I was not into BW at the time RTemple was still in use, can anyone tell me why it was such a Z graveyard? The low ground main? Difficulty to take a 3rd gas? It's mostly because, if not cross positions, the Terran had a very short push distance. The metagame back then put a lot of emphasis on a Terran's ability to push the Zerg before defilers came out. If anyone else has something to say, then please share.
YES. not cross positions and zerg all suffer from some sort of early mm/joyo 4-6 min push, and the rest of the game is just zerg qqing from mass mm and/or 10 tanks pounding on the low main + drop harass to sweeten the deal. :p
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On March 07 2011 22:45 dibbaN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2011 21:47 LaoShuAiDaMi wrote:On March 07 2011 21:39 dibbaN wrote:On March 07 2011 21:34 tyCe wrote:
Wow, Flash is so imba. I mean, everyone knows Flash is imba, but only after such domination against the second best player ever, despite not being warmed up, despite carrying an injury, does one realise that Flash's imba is IMBA-imba.
I thought the Dong was back, but after a humiliation like that, I don't know if he'll go back on his mini-slump or not. That was not close to a humiliation, Flash won convincingly, but there was no humiliation of either players. The only humiliation here was the fact that Flash losing 2 control groups M&M due to poor rallying and multi-tasking in the most intense part of the game did have any significant impact on the outcome. I don't think that had any outcome on the game...flash already was in a huge advantage after killing the third and all those units. You sound so mad lol...the M+M micro was ridiculous throughout the game Yada yada, come back when you possess the ability to understand my point. No one has questioned Flashs M&M micro is the best of the best, that is pretty much presupposed. In regards of micro a peculiar thing is how an excellent Terran micro completely nullifies any micro the Zerg has. My original point was that it's sad that throwing so many units at a crucial point in the game has no major impact when, if it instead were the Zerg who threw the units, he could might aswell surrender immediately. Both of these points have been proven several times by J and F, when the former was considered the obvious best and won several starleagues the same year, but would still lose to F on many occassions. Whereas in 90% of those scenarios J did everything possible but still lost, and in the remaining 10% he did something stupid he knew he had lost straight away. FvZ was probably even better back then too. PS. Questioning what is given is not equal to being angry. Try not to think out too loud, you are by doing so proving that the good old quote "It's better to keep quiet and have people think you stupid, than to talk and confirm it." needs an extension for internet forums. :-)
u mad bro
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United States10534 Posts
FLASH w00t!!! FLASH BEATS JD IN ACE!!! THE GOD HAS RETURNED!!!
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I wonder if it's good to 15 CC in SC2 i haven't seen top players try it ever on TV . I should probably try it on ladder .
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wow, Flash vs. Jaedong?! The dream matchup was achieved
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On March 07 2011 23:15 Holgerius wrote:Ya, Flash with MnM is a thing of beauty. And it's amazing how he always seemed to have a scan left in his comsats at every crucial moment. His tech was so late due to his 5 Rax build, and still he crushed JD's lurker build. But JD should've totally been able to do a better job at stalling Flash's MnM forces with lurkers considering how late Flash's vessel were. Stuff like throwing away a handful of 'em in that pointless runby was very sloppy and unnecessary. JD didn't play that game out optimally in any way. While that was obviuously far from their best game (we didn't even get Hive tech), 1) at least we got FvJ at all unlike last time and 2) the game was actually pretty exctiting IMO. Could've been a lot worse. Also, I'm happy Flash is through his slump now. It had me really worried. ^__^
What slump are u talking about ?
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Sick game from Flash, but just felt like Jaedong spread too thin and got hive too late. Earlier hive, and later fourth would've made the game very different (not saying he'd win, but the game would deffo be different), but JD always walks the thin line. Had he held all that sick preassure from Flash, and got his defilers out I dont think Flash could've won - his third was very late.
GGs still, Flash is awesome..
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so glad i didn't stay up to watch jd lose.
TvZ is the reason i play T instead of Z now haha.. but oz is still my team.
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Damn too bad I couldn't watch this live, oh well hopefully a VOD on YT will be up ASAP!
Go KT!
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Terrible Ace, once again Flash uses unit imba. T>>>>>Z not even fun to watch.
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Russian Federation798 Posts
And I have been told there is only balance whining in starcraft 2.........
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Canada11044 Posts
On March 08 2011 02:13 zenMaster wrote:
Terrible Ace, once again Flash uses unit imba. T>>>>>Z not even fun to watch.
The SECOND the game ends, half the people in chat: "FUCKING TERRAN SO IMBA THIS IS RETARDED I HATE THIS GAME." If Flash didn't exist, nobody would be saying that. He's just better than everyone else.
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So much imba whining even though Flash's previous 2 TvZ's were on the same map and he lost them both to Calm and Zero. -_-
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On March 08 2011 02:29 red4ce wrote:
So much imba whining even though Flash's previous 2 TvZ's were on the same map and he lost them both to Calm and Zero. -_-
Yeah, but that was Calm and Zero using zerg imba. Today Flash used terran imba.
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United States10328 Posts
lol @ all the "marine imba"
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EPT
