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[SWL] KT Rolster vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 48

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Goragoth
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
New Zealand1065 Posts
March 07 2011 12:58 GMT
#941
I wonder if Jaedong should have just pumped mass ling from his 3 hatches. Flash wasn't walled in after all (is it even possible on that map) and Jaedong scouted the 14cc. It seems like that might have been his best bet (similar to EffOrt v. Flash on Matchpoint in the OSL final).
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Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
March 07 2011 12:58 GMT
#942
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice.
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
IamBach
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1059 Posts
March 07 2011 13:00 GMT
#943
fck Jaedong. Why didn't he just go muta like a normal person? Denied us a win and an epic game.
Just listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__lCZeePG48
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:06:32
March 07 2011 13:01 GMT
#944
On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice.

Who should have played on Icarus then? YellOw? rOo has been performing well, it was fair to give him a shot. Since you want to save Flash for a decent TvZ map instead of asking to get him sniped, you want to wait for Benzene (even though his TvZ record on it was bad). Icarus is pretty stacked ZvP and ZvT map, so Reach/Barracks were a bad choice.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:04:12
March 07 2011 13:03 GMT
#945
On March 07 2011 21:58 Goragoth wrote:
I wonder if Jaedong should have just pumped mass ling from his 3 hatches. Flash wasn't walled in after all (is it even possible on that map) and Jaedong scouted the 14cc. It seems like that might have been his best bet (similar to EffOrt v. Flash on Matchpoint in the OSL final).


it would have made my year of BW.
if JD did it and won, id have been happy to remember BW that way.

there is still time for that
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
March 07 2011 13:04 GMT
#946
On March 07 2011 21:52 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I'm not an antifan. It's just that 14cc stuck in my mind after the Hana Daetoo MSL finals. I have nothing against Flash himself.
Man, that series was 1 year ago, and it was Flash's only ticket to catch up with Jaedong. Before it Flash was still trailing miles behind JD, and had just come off one of the worst Bo5 losses in his career.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
March 07 2011 13:06 GMT
#947
On March 07 2011 22:04 mnesthes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 21:52 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I'm not an antifan. It's just that 14cc stuck in my mind after the Hana Daetoo MSL finals. I have nothing against Flash himself.
Man, that series was 1 year ago, and it was Flash's only ticket to catch up with Jaedong. Before it Flash was still trailing miles behind JD, and had just come off one of the worst Bo5 losses in his career.


Some people hold on to things
Flash is better now, but JD will once again rise to put the world in order.
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51120 Posts
March 07 2011 13:07 GMT
#948
On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice.


it was on Icarus,TvZ in icarus is borderline bad.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
March 07 2011 13:09 GMT
#949
On March 07 2011 22:00 etheovermind wrote:
fck Jaedong. Why didn't he just go muta like a normal person? Denied us a win and an epic game.



i dont like the thought of mutas when flash went 4 rax + 1 timing push, jd probably would have rolled over and died
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
March 07 2011 13:14 GMT
#950
On March 07 2011 21:34 tyCe wrote:
Wow, Flash is so imba. I mean, everyone knows Flash is imba, but only after such domination against the second best player ever, despite not being warmed up, despite carrying an injury, does one realise that Flash's imba is IMBA-imba.

I thought the Dong was back, but after a humiliation like that, I don't know if he'll go back on his mini-slump or not.

what? -_-

ANYONE in the world right now is unfavored against Flash.

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46255 Posts
March 07 2011 13:17 GMT
#951
On March 07 2011 22:14 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 21:34 tyCe wrote:
Wow, Flash is so imba. I mean, everyone knows Flash is imba, but only after such domination against the second best player ever, despite not being warmed up, despite carrying an injury, does one realise that Flash's imba is IMBA-imba.

I thought the Dong was back, but after a humiliation like that, I don't know if he'll go back on his mini-slump or not.

what? -_-

ANYONE in the world right now is unfavored against Flash.



Yeah, seriously. Jaedong just frickin all-killed an entire team, and here he just got two wins. That's hardly slumping.

I feel bad for Oz, but gg KT.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
March 07 2011 13:21 GMT
#952
I agree. JD isn't in slump at all. He is just playing well, but still has something to work on. It isn't called slump. It's called JD has weak points (and it's not only now when they appeared), and needs to work on them.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
e_i_pi_1_0
Profile Joined September 2009
933 Posts
March 07 2011 13:22 GMT
#953
On March 07 2011 22:00 etheovermind wrote:
fck Jaedong. Why didn't he just go muta like a normal person? Denied us a win and an epic game.

Probably just my impression, but It seems as if, especially after that MSL semis vs Hydra, he's lost some confidence in his muta control. It's really sad, as I think he used to be known for that.

I really hope he doesn't lose too much confidence over this match. He NEEDS to get rid of whatever mental block he's having nowadays.

On March 07 2011 22:06 gongryong wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 22:04 mnesthes wrote:
On March 07 2011 21:52 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:I'm not an antifan. It's just that 14cc stuck in my mind after the Hana Daetoo MSL finals. I have nothing against Flash himself.
Man, that series was 1 year ago, and it was Flash's only ticket to catch up with Jaedong. Before it Flash was still trailing miles behind JD, and had just come off one of the worst Bo5 losses in his career.


Some people hold on to things
Flash is better now, but JD will once again rise to put the world in order.

Heh, the local Flash fan where I used to be was rubbing it in my face for a pretty long time, so it kinda stuck in my mind more than some of the other series.

I really liked it when both Jaedong and Flash were dominating the pro scene. It just doesn't feel right when one of them is slumping like this. Jaedong will rise again, so that Leessang will dominate once more.

Off topic: when's Oz's match vs SKT? It's not on the calendar.
Jaedong and Hwaseung Oz fan.
Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:26:20
March 07 2011 13:25 GMT
#954
Hahahahaha.

Log in tonight on my phone to see what happened, see "950" posts so I know something must have happened. Check the results, and instantly know that everything in right in the world this night. :D

edit: Good to see Action getting some more wins, however!
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
March 07 2011 13:26 GMT
#955
On March 07 2011 22:22 e_i_pi_1_0 wrote:
Off topic: when's Oz's match vs SKT? It's not on the calendar.

On the 20th.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
March 07 2011 13:45 GMT
#956
On March 07 2011 21:47 LaoShuAiDaMi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 21:39 dibbaN wrote:
On March 07 2011 21:34 tyCe wrote:
Wow, Flash is so imba. I mean, everyone knows Flash is imba, but only after such domination against the second best player ever, despite not being warmed up, despite carrying an injury, does one realise that Flash's imba is IMBA-imba.

I thought the Dong was back, but after a humiliation like that, I don't know if he'll go back on his mini-slump or not.

That was not close to a humiliation, Flash won convincingly, but there was no humiliation of either players. The only humiliation here was the fact that Flash losing 2 control groups M&M due to poor rallying and multi-tasking in the most intense part of the game did have any significant impact on the outcome.


I don't think that had any outcome on the game...flash already was in a huge advantage after killing the third and all those units.
You sound so mad lol...the M+M micro was ridiculous throughout the game

Yada yada, come back when you possess the ability to understand my point.

No one has questioned Flashs M&M micro is the best of the best, that is pretty much presupposed. In regards of micro a peculiar thing is how an excellent Terran micro completely nullifies any micro the Zerg has.

My original point was that it's sad that throwing so many units at a crucial point in the game has no major impact when, if it instead were the Zerg who threw the units, he could might aswell surrender immediately.

Both of these points have been proven several times by J and F, when the former was considered the obvious best and won several starleagues the same year, but would still lose to F on many occassions. Whereas in 90% of those scenarios J did everything possible but still lost, and in the remaining 10% he did something stupid he knew he had lost straight away. FvZ was probably even better back then too.

PS. Questioning what is given is not equal to being angry. Try not to think out too loud, you are by doing so proving that the good old quote "It's better to keep quiet and have people think you stupid, than to talk and confirm it." needs an extension for internet forums. :-)

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IntoTheEmo
Profile Joined February 2009
Singapore1170 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:47:20
March 07 2011 13:45 GMT
#957
It's a shame Jaedong lost due to some mistakes but on the bright side, at least we didn't get denied another FvJ again.

LeeSsangRok is always epic, more in R5 plz!

Good try Jaedong it's hard but you're recovering somewhat.
MMOs kill APM. However Proleague plus BW Proscene music increase APM -> 100. 이제동 Fighting! Highest ranked Jaedong owner in FPL10 = clearly #1 Jaedong fan~! <- Keeping my sig from 2010
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:57:41
March 07 2011 13:55 GMT
#958
Maybe Jaedong could make a ridiculous number of sunkens instead of more lurkers... and thus, save gas for faster defiler tech... =\

I dunno. I don't think any race is imba. It's just one player losing to another. Calm beat Flash on the same map? Yes. So it's not imba. X_x

p.s.: rofl at the predicitons
Set 6: (T)Flash <Icarus> (P)PerfectMan

XD
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-07 13:59:43
March 07 2011 13:58 GMT
#959
That game had some of the most incredible m&m usage I've seen. I thought for sure that Jaedong was going to block Flash's pressure and cut off his reinforcements, but somehow Flash's marines had splash damage upgraded and goliath armor against lurker spines.

Flash is boring, he only turtles.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
March 07 2011 14:05 GMT
#960
On March 07 2011 22:07 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2011 21:58 Heimatloser wrote:
nice to see kt winning, but feeding perfective to jaedong was a bit insane. i dont like the choice.


it was on Icarus,TvZ in icarus is borderline bad.


It's basically Reverse Temple reversed ().
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