I'd leave the having thrown his last game to console Stork option out of the poll, that will just lead to flame wars and I personally don't believe it. That being said I want some Fantasy pwnage, a Afrotoss(not likely :<) or Bisu's 4th AK.
On February 01 2011 06:31 Kipsate wrote: I'd leave the having thrown his last game to console Stork option out of the poll, that will just lead to flame wars and I personally don't believe it. That being said I want some Fantasy pwnage, a Afrotoss(not likely :<) or Bisu's 4th AK.
Personally, I think it was just an instance of horrendous decision-making that cost the game, but the polls are all about getting people hyped for the game. If that means getting Bisu fans and anti-fans riled up then mission accomplished. If others choose to flame and risk a ban, that's on them.
My SKT/Bisu hatred seems to be at a monthly low. Must be because of the new month. But still, go-go Hite Entus! Hydra needs to get that first Zerg All-kill of the season!
Really looking forward to this match. SKT can't afford to drop another one this round, so the pressure's on FBB to perform. It's about time Fantasy and BeSt started to deliver in PL (especially BeSt).
Here's hoping Bisu's cold hasn't gotten any worse.
On February 01 2011 06:46 tree.hugger wrote: No Mercy. + Show Spoiler +
your players abandoned the -_- face
THEY HAVE NO PRINCIPLES
On February 01 2011 06:31 Kipsate wrote: I'd leave the having thrown his last game to console Stork option out of the poll, that will just lead to flame wars and I personally don't believe it. That being said I want some Fantasy pwnage, a Afrotoss(not likely :<) or Bisu's 4th AK.
Giving up his streak to Stork was not an easy thing to do, even if he had to save a protoss brother. Bisu will be out for blood, and only the sweet taste of zerg blood will satisfy his hunger. The dagger wishes to once again draw blood.
this is very unlikely. Why would they send out Bisu against snow when they can send fantasy especially since the second map is not bad for tvp and snow hasnt played a big pvt for a long time
saw bisu all kill last night vs hite in my dreams and i didnt even know skt were playing hite until i woke up to check TL this morning the vision will come true
thats more accurate. snow specifically wanted to go against fantasy and i dont see why the coach wouldnt let him
I'd disagree. Snow's vT is much stronger than Hydra's, disregarding records (since Hydra's opponents have inflated his record pretty heavily I think). If Fantasy does show up in form as I suspect, I'd count on Snow rather than Hydra to take him down.
Snow definitely can take on Fantasy, his abusive PvT is second to only Stork and records are also on his side. Snow vs Bisu can go either way but I'm not sure about sending a slumping Leta against Bisu, and definitely not a Zerg either. Guess Hite will save Mr.4gate for Bisu then
I think, unless Fantasy and Best actually play well and aren't completely careless in there games, Bisu wouldn't be put under so much pressure to win. Regardless, where the hell is Kwanro?
Well Snow beat Fantasy earlier this season but it was on Aztec which is a terrible map for Terran. His PvT this season is 3-4 in PL, with losses against Bogus, Flash (twice) and Sea.
Hite looks like the are quite vulnerable vs Protoss anw, with their top vP player being Horang2 n all (he is pretty powerful, mind, just not powerful enough for Kim Raep Shin).. And with Skyhigh gone, our T (aka Fantasy) will have a much easier time ripping shit up as well.. All in all i dont see how SKT can drop this unless Miss A were to be dancing inside their booth during the game..
Hard to see Hentus beat SKT... SKT has such a fearsome gauntlet of players to run through, although Hentus has been doing really well recently. It'll be a great match.
On February 01 2011 15:19 ffreakk wrote: Heres for Bisu all-killing tonite
Hite looks like the are quite vulnerable vs Protoss anw, with their top vP player being Horang2 n all (he is pretty powerful, mind, just not powerful enough for Kim Raep Shin).. And with Skyhigh gone, our T (aka Fantasy) will have a much easier time ripping shit up as well.. All in all i dont see how SKT can drop this unless Miss A were to be dancing inside their booth during the game..
On February 01 2011 15:19 ffreakk wrote: Heres for Bisu all-killing tonite
Hite looks like the are quite vulnerable vs Protoss anw, with their top vP player being Horang2 n all (he is pretty powerful, mind, just not powerful enough for Kim Raep Shin).. And with Skyhigh gone, our T (aka Fantasy) will have a much easier time ripping shit up as well.. All in all i dont see how SKT can drop this unless Miss A were to be dancing inside their booth during the game..
Gogo Bisu, let's have some good games before the break. SKT's lead at the top is shrinking, and Hite's playing a lot closer to their potential recently, with their young guns Snow and Hydra calling out our established Aces. All ingredients for some gourmet Starcraft. Plus, while his overall winning streak was snapped by Storku, Bisu's vZ streak is still tantalisingly close to an all-time best
Looks like the third recall is successful in driving back Fantasy's army. Meanwhile Fantasy is getting desperate for money and uses scvs to kill the goons guarding the 12 so he can distance mine. Horang forces a lift of the third. Fantasy about to lose.
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
horang had too many expos and fanta not enough, horang could keep building units and recall them to defense his expos and keep crashing fantas cc,
Well that confirm the idea that Fantasy can have great focus and has great coach, but he's "just" an okay player beside that. His PL perfomance has been horrible this round, skt1 are lucky by.sun and Bisu stepped up !
How many times did Fantasy lose the 9 o'clock? Man, sloppy play from him. He really had to defend what he had, consolidate and then look to move forward with the mech ball of death.
SKT needs to get its mojo back and fast. Depressing watching Fantasy and BeSt in particular in their current state.
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
Fantasy missed one emp. and then it was over :D
You wish. Fantasy lost to the absolute worst macro player in late game, going on a stale 2 base arbiter build WITHOUT STASIS.
On February 01 2011 18:37 okum wrote: Meh, Fantasy didn't play that bad... Horang2 played excellently.
Fantasy played badly AND horang2 played well. A combination of Fantasy ditching his early econ lead, horang2 realizing that, and horang2 using recalls very effectively
Haha, Horang2 could conceivably all-kill SKT now. The only good players they have left are Protosses and we all know how good Horang2 is at PvP. They'll probably throw some Zergs his way but even Horang2 has a good shot at beating SKT Zergs.
On February 01 2011 18:37 Fushin wrote: Well that confirm the idea that Fantasy can have great focus and has great coach, but he's "just" an okay player beside that.
Oh please stop posting nonsense like that every single time he loses a game.
This is getting old.
His TvP is fucking awesome, he just happens to lose badly from time to time (unlike someone like Flash). Deal with it.
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
Fantasy missed one emp. and then it was over :D
You wish. Fantasy lost to the absolute worst macro player in late game, going on a stale 2 base arbiter build WITHOUT STASIS.
Those arbiters were very useful for recalling units out of his sieged main, that was a good game and fanta was that close, relax.
On February 01 2011 18:34 scyper wrote: what just happened? one minute fantasy was pounding on horang2's expos and horang2 had to keep recalling armies but fantasy just repelled them
then i look away.. and back and fantasy is getting owned?
Fantasy missed one emp. and then it was over :D
You wish. Fantasy lost to the absolute worst macro player in late game, going on a stale 2 base arbiter build WITHOUT STASIS.
that too. BUT when he was pounding on the 4-5ish o'clock expansion, the arbiter who recalled a lot of zeals on top of his tanks.. if he emp'd THAT, he would've won.
interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
On February 01 2011 18:49 Hazard wrote: interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
On February 01 2011 18:49 Hazard wrote: interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
Canata is on the B-team roster now due to poor performance.
On February 01 2011 18:49 Hazard wrote: interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
You seem to speak from (a distant and unsure) future... Fantasy just won one OSL, not three.
On February 01 2011 18:49 Hazard wrote: interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
You seem to speak from (a distant and unsure) future... Fantasy just won one OSL, not three.
and he's gonna get his titles taken away from him if he keeps losing to players with 2008 vT elo.
Bisu gearing up for a large push, but gets backstabbed by Horang2. He drops his reavers at the ramp and manages to sandwich Horang's small goon force at his nat, only losing a few goons himself.
On February 01 2011 18:49 Hazard wrote: interesting but if FantaSy and Best don't wanna win games for their team than Bisu is the only player who can carry SKT right now. Better send Canata next time and give Fantasy a week or two off to play with his GOLDEN MOUSE, damn wish someone else from SKT has gotten it instead of him...
Canata is on the B-team roster now due to poor performance.
His performance in PL this season wasn't worse than Fantasy's and he got like less than 5 games to play. Sure I dunno how he does in practice house but still SKT could try to put up some line-up competition for Fantasy in Canata and Ssak.
P.S. Golden Mouse is a joke and maybe Fanta is gonna get it but he looks like he already got everything and doesn't care with his games.
These tradeoffs are so even... usually in PvP a huge tradeoff snowballs into a huge advantage, but that last one left Bisu with something like an archon and 5 zealots vs 6 dragoons.
Man, nothing bw/ those two. Great game by Horang2. So many battles where they were pretty much even after them, though Bisu continued to have map control throughout the majority of the game and ultimately that was his key to victory.
Easily the most epic PvP in a while (at least that I've seen). Bisu played very well to take that down. Now Hite has to come up with an answer. Snow? Leta? Hydra? None of those really sound like good choices against Bisu.
On February 01 2011 19:10 Goragoth wrote: Easily the most epic PvP in a while (at least that I've seen). Bisu played very well to take that down. Now Hite has to come up with an answer. Snow? Leta? Hydra? None of those really sound like good choices against Bisu.
But what are the other choices ? Hogil ? Movie ? BByong ? Maybe Bbyong...
Is it smart to play Hydra against Bisu who has best PvZ and is in his best shape with this match-up? Maybe save Hydra for the last game is smarter or not even play a Zerg against Bisu. I have a feeling Leta is up next or Snow.
On February 01 2011 19:11 GoooN wrote: Anything but Snow now would make no sense.
I agree with this sentiment. Snow has shown some great games lately and should have a decent chance in PvP. Maybe Leta is a 2nd option, since Bisu's PvT is notoriously shaky, but Leta isn't known for great TvP.
On February 01 2011 19:12 Hazard wrote: Is it smart to play Hydra against Bisu who has best PvZ and is in his best shape with this match-up? Maybe save Hydra for the last game is smarter or not even play a Zerg against Bisu. I have a feeling Leta is up next or Snow.
I doubt Hydra fears playing a protoss even if it's Bisu . He should be send on a map that is good against protoss no point saving him for the last set . Besides Hydra's pretty good with the Hydra break and that is 1 of the weakness of the FE/sair build .
On February 01 2011 19:11 GoooN wrote: Anything but Snow now would make no sense.
I agree with this sentiment. Snow has shown some great games lately and should have a decent chance in PvP. Maybe Leta is a 2nd option, since Bisu's PvT is notoriously shaky, but Leta isn't known for great TvP.
On February 01 2011 19:06 evilfatsh1t wrote: bisus won this the king of pvp
since when?
Bisu has always had very, very good PvP. For the past year, it's quite likely been stronger than his PvZ, though that turned around with his recent mass zealot vZ play.
On February 01 2011 19:12 Hazard wrote: Is it smart to play Hydra against Bisu who has best PvZ and is in his best shape with this match-up? Maybe save Hydra for the last game is smarter or not even play a Zerg against Bisu. I have a feeling Leta is up next or Snow.
I doubt Hydra fears playing a protoss even if it's Bisu . He should be send on a map that is good agaisnt protoss no point saving him for the last set . Besides Hydra's pretty good with the Hydra break and that is 1 of the weakness of the FE/sair build .
And he called out Bisu in the last interview. He is probably going to end up playing as he is one of the two best on hentus along with snow since leta is out of form
On February 01 2011 19:11 GoooN wrote: Anything but Snow now would make no sense.
I agree with this sentiment. Snow has shown some great games lately and should have a decent chance in PvP. Maybe Leta is a 2nd option, since Bisu's PvT is notoriously shaky, but Leta isn't known for great TvP.
True about Bisu's PvT being his weakest but this season he beat every strong Terran except Flash he faced and looked solid. Out of last 10 games he has 9 wins and his vT looks like vZ so if Entus chooses one of lesser evils than they will send another Toss against Beesuit.
Commentators: "Is that a diary?" *Camera shows a girl smiling with diary(?) in her hands, gasps and covers her face with the rainbow pages of her diary(?) spilling out like an accordion* Commentators: "LMFAO" *Enjoying themselves*
On February 01 2011 19:27 Crunchums wrote: i can't figure out why a team with (horang2 / hogil / hydra / snow / leta) sends movie as frequently as they do
so true, such strong roster (in theory at least) and yet they send scrubs like movie so often
On February 01 2011 19:37 cybertopo wrote: It's a shame, because I think Movie was superior in the battles, with great storms. Ninja expo won the game for Bisu
superior in the battles? like that game decided push by movie? uhh?
On February 01 2011 19:37 infinitestory wrote: i don't get it
how did bisu do that despite doing almost no damage with his reavers and never casting storm
His reavers did damage when he needed them to, that big battle in front of his nat, where he had 3 and movie had 2, movie lost his quite unconvincingly probably due to him storming up everything. Some thing I have to call Movie out on was, was his lack of harass. He kept coming in from that obvious angle, when he should've tried to get onto the ledge where he could storm the probes? IDK I haven't been playing recent maps to know storm drop areas =/, but not knowing about the hidden expo was extremely key in him losing that match
this guys had starcraft on all along? i appreciate the stream and everything...but no offense you might wanna close sc and all the other random programs we saw while the stream was on...it would help heaps with the lag
On February 01 2011 19:35 GTR wrote: ever since movie got owned in the osl finals he hasn't been the same since.
don't know why.
maybe he did just get really lucky with his bracket.
it's because he was never that good in the first place
ro16 his group was jaedong, gogo, and pusan; he advanced 2-1 then he beat zero (bo3) and shine (bo5). while that's more impressive; two series victories don't make a player as good as people assume an OSL finalist is
I disagree that it was mostly the hidden expo that won Bisu the game. At the deciding battle (when Movie attacked into Bisu's position, while having Storm and more Zealots), the expo can't have been too influential. It was really Movie screwing up his attack and Bisu playing "hard-to-get" with his Reavers.
What the expo allowed him was to clean up rather easily once he had killed most of Movie's army since his production was so much higher.
On February 01 2011 19:37 infinitestory wrote: i don't get it
how did bisu do that despite doing almost no damage with his reavers and never casting storm
His reavers did damage when he needed them to, that big battle in front of his nat, where he had 3 and movie had 2, movie lost his quite unconvincingly probably due to him storming up everything. Some thing I have to call Movie out on was, was his lack of harass. He kept coming in from that obvious angle, when he should've tried to get onto the ledge where he could storm the probes? IDK I haven't been playing recent maps to know storm drop areas =/, but not knowing about the hidden expo was extremely key in him losing that match
Hmm... that makes sense, sort of. I still feel like Bisu's units did a hell of a lot of damage in the skirmishes in the center despite not having storm backup. What were the upgrades?
The attacks on the nat I thought were faking pressure so that Movie would be less scared to move out, giving him more time.
Turning point was when Bisu won the engagement with Movie's huge army close to his position despite his army being inferior. Agree with Aesop when he says that the hidden expo let him clean up the game after winning that.
Time to see what Hydra is really made of. He has been showing lots of potential to be the future hope of Hite, so let's see if he can play a close tight game with Bisu. If he wins, then Hite have a true ace on their team for the future, but given Bisu's current PvZ, that would be a monumental achievement.
I think the decider were like 2-3 snipes on the HTs that allowed him to overwhelm the Archon/Zealot army in the beginning. And from then it's a slippery slope for the Protoss.
The High templar snipes really killed Bisu, also Hydra had a Hyuk like switch with the muta/scourge -> 5 hatch hydra, timing it perfectly so Bisu made way to many sairs... then what was even better was the fact that those mutas did exactly what they had to, the 2 early templar snipes (these would have had enough for 2 storms each when the big battle came). Hydra played what I would call almost perfectly, cutting corners extremely well too
On February 01 2011 20:00 mnesthes wrote: What did I say guys? Just don't lose anything important to his Zealots and you will win.
wat, he won cos he got bisus first 4 HTs
this.
Doesn't take s-class anything to snipe 4 out of position HTs. A big blunder by Bisu, but props to Hydra for knowing exactly how to capitalize - he's been studying Shine closely it seems.
On February 01 2011 20:02 Shinshady wrote: The High templar snipes really killed Bisu, also Hydra had a Hyuk like switch with the muta/scourge -> 5 hatch hydra, timing it perfectly so Bisu made way to many sairs... then what was even better was the fact that those mutas did exactly what they had to, the 2 early templar snipes (these would have had enough for 2 storms each when the big battle came). Hydra played what I would call almost perfectly, cutting corners extremely well too
and dont forget the wellexecuted mutaharassment each time bisu moved with his sairs. that drawback bisu so hard.
Hydra looking pretty strong that game. Countered Bisu's Zealot-heavy play well. Thought sending a Zerg against Bisu would be suicide by Hydra seriously stepped up to the challenge.
curious to see we gets to play, usually games are finished by bisu doing a 4 clean sweep after some by.sun play. without fantasy i wonder who gonna snipe hydra now..
On February 01 2011 20:07 Lann555 wrote: Hyuk is probably the best bet I guess? He can beat Hydra on a good day and if they snipe with Leta, you send in Best for the finishing blow
There is no way someone other than Snow is coming for the forth game if needed.
On February 01 2011 20:07 Lann555 wrote: Hyuk is probably the best bet I guess? He can beat Hydra on a good day and if they snipe with Leta, you send in Best for the finishing blow
There is no way someone other than Snow is coming for the forth game if needed.
Then if Hyuk can snipe Hydra, you get two shots to snipe Snow with Hyuk and s2 who are both pretty decent vs Protoss.
Just kidding. By the way, I find similarities between current match situation and one that occured vs KT in PL finals, when match 6 was about to start. Hmm, maybe Hyuk got out of slump/Thailand and might deliver with his JD smashing ZvZ.
After what happened with Beesuit I wouldn't send protoss. Soo is probably like Canata, Magma, Puma and Suny - good inhouse player, bad performer. So they send him.
On February 01 2011 20:28 Womwomwom wrote: lol they're not going to send Leta unless they've got a deathwish. He might have Skyhigh's job but he's still lost his last 9 games haha
They're not going to send Leta because there won't be another game.
guess there is no choice but to go with best u gotta think of who is the best choice if he somehow wins and best is better than hyuk in that regard not that it matters he wont win vs hydra
Why is Kwanro not playing? I think, he's even better than Soo and S2... Pls. give him the chance to play again. We at TL miss saying "kwanrolled!!!"
Thank you.
And I hate SKT for only relying with Bisu. Whenever Bisu loses or if Bisu didn't play, they just get rolled over. And Bisu got stomped by better players like Flash, Stork, and Hydra. Fantasy, why are you so bad in pop-quizzes!!! Best, give us some hope... oh! it's PvZ... meh!
On February 01 2011 20:31 evilfatsh1t wrote: wow....if bisu loses/doesnt play skt loses....this has been accurate for all of skt's losses? what happened to the "deep lineup"
On February 01 2011 20:41 Katsuge wrote: that build is SO clever.
instant hydra fan.
That's basically how Jaedong defeated Best earlier in the season, dropped in his base. Great minds think alike and all that. Or Best just sucks at PvZ, either is fine.
Yes !! Go CJ !! Way to gen some wins in that damned winner´s league... And if Snow and Hydra hold their form and Leta recovers, CJ is a beast once again !
not rly hite played poorly in begining of swl but now are stepping up, snow and hydra are very solid, if leta gets out of his slump (with a proper snipers like horang2) they have a strong line up imo..
On February 01 2011 20:43 Garrl wrote: Beaten by hentus, just shows how bad skt are when fantasy and bisu aren't there to ak.
It's no secret that SKT's success is built around FBB. It's been that way for a while now. So when Bisu is the only one turning up in PL the writing's on the wall.
Thanks for the thread and stream. SKT needs to use the break to reflect on how they're going to get FBB back in form and winning together again. Bisu can only do so much!
Well played by Entus tonight. Hydra in particular is looking very impressive atm.
On February 01 2011 20:41 GTR wrote: damn mbc commentators are so awesome
QFT. Every game I watch I secretly hope that the MBC Game Live logo is at the top right of the screen.
Best doesn't look like he's getting out of his slump soon. Fantasy random fail is just fail. SKT lost the match the moment Bisu GG'd vs. Hydra. There was no one that could have stopped him.
Coach just hates Kwanro, Hyuk and Canata. Those players are not rookies and should be given a chance to play each time when someone is in bad shape and whole SKT is in bad shape (excluding Bisu's godly shape).
On February 01 2011 20:49 Goragoth wrote: Nice play by Hydra. Best had some bad luck with dud scarabs though (not sure if it would have made much of a difference either way).
Not really Best was using probes to fight at that point, it was over.
On February 01 2011 20:49 TheJoyBringer wrote: Is depressing how unreliable Fantasy, Best, and SKTZergs are.
And I'm guessing Paralyze and Ssak aren't able to do anything since they're not being sent out.
Ssak was sent out 1-2 times in Winners League and lost to Flash and maybe someone else. Paralyze prolly wasn't sent at all cuz by.Sun got his line spot by better play.
Thanks Finale for making the thread for SKT as usual, and many thanks to MBC`MistrZZZ`/hirosue for the stream!
Just you wait Hentus... SKT will get their revenge soon.... But in the meantime, I will sleep well replaying Hydra's ownage plays over and over again in my head tonight. ^^
And yes, Coach Park should've sent out Kwanro today. Couldn't he have heard my thousand prayers to him to send the poor kid out? DDD|
On February 01 2011 20:51 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: man kwanro > all -____-
On February 01 2011 20:48 Hazard wrote: Coach just hates Kwanro, Hyuk and Canata. Those players are not rookies and should be given a chance to play each time when someone is in bad shape and whole SKT is in bad shape (excluding Bisu's godly shape).
On February 01 2011 20:45 CoWsGoesMoo wrote: Seriously they need to bring back Kwanro -_-;;
Coach Park seriously doesn't have an idea how sad he is making Kwanro fans. Even I feel the pain of his absence in PL.
On February 01 2011 20:48 Hazard wrote: Coach just hates Kwanro, Hyuk and Canata. Those players are not rookies and should be given a chance to play each time when someone is in bad shape and whole SKT is in bad shape (excluding Bisu's godly shape).
What's wrong with this bs. I want Stork to win and Fantasy kills him 3-0. Then i want SKT to win and Fantasy fails against Horang2. I should just really start rooting against my favorites. Congratz to Hydra, he being pretty good lately and Bisu 2 kills still not bad. Best, Best, best....what should i say...
Hydra is indeed very good. These top tier zergs keep coming out of CJ one at a time. He'll probably retire soon though.
That tactic of going on the offense with mutas when corsairs were out in full force, simply relying on the fact that the sairs couldn't really chase down the mutas because of the scourge waiting outside his main for just that, since corsairs fair much worse against scourge when they're caught on the move, and abusing bisu's strong desire to be agressive with his corsairs leaving his base momentarily vulnerable, was a really clever usage of a pretty recently discovered fact about ZvP. Good muta/scourge vs corsair plays are going to be a defining element of competent ZvP players.
On February 01 2011 20:48 Hazard wrote: Coach just hates Kwanro, Hyuk and Canata. Those players are not rookies and should be given a chance to play each time when someone is in bad shape and whole SKT is in bad shape (excluding Bisu's godly shape).
Canata can't play because he isn't even on the roster.
On February 01 2011 21:04 aimaimaim wrote: are there any particular reason why aren't they sending Kwanro??
i understand Hyuk since he is captain and all ..
maybe kwanro isnt doing well in practice house .. but it would be better if we had an idea of why he isnt being played
Maybe the other T1 zergs are playing much better than Kwanro in the practice house. But they still suck in televised matches. What has Coach Park got to lose if he sends out Kwanro instead of Soo or s2?
I didn't even see Kwanro on the bench today. In fact the last time I saw him was on + Show Spoiler +
On February 01 2011 21:24 Roffles wrote: Don't get the choice here. Best is awful against any zerg player. Don't see why you'd ever play him against any zerg.
Roll the dice because if he gets lucky he's the best shot against their next player? That's about all. (assuming they go safe and send Snow/Leta)
The last sighting of Kwanro on the SKT bench was on the 24th, which was during SKT's match against Woongjin. Photo evidence:
Oh lookie who's standing there on the right side and didn't suddenly retire. Gotta rep my boy Kwanro as well.
He probably either got sick and had to stay home or was demoted to the B-team roster again. DX *Rolls off*
Kwanro we miss you and your lings~~~ ㅠ__ㅠ
Thank you for the pics, Spica. I notice Kwanro looks a lot older now than when he was in Woongjin Stars. He suddenly dropped the "cute" look from his previous team as well. He used to fit perfectly alongside Zero and Soulkey. What the hell happened?
edit: and its sad that we dont see kwanro... he still is my favourite zerg (after luxury left) we need somebody in korea or at least somebody who can browse korean sites to investigate the kwanro case.
I cant really feel bad about Bisu losing that game, teams have been dodging his pvz for quite some time, Hydra has been on fire lately and picked the right map to take on KTY. I wouldn't even call it a snipe cause Hydra is so legit these days. Apart from that Bisu seems to have found his groove in PvP again, aside from that idiotic mistake vs stork his play in his 4 other recent games has been sublime - he is so good at army positioning and picking the right fight - thats his signature in this MU
It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
If Hydra hadn't lost a game against Modesty and a game against Killer then he would be on a 21 win ZvZ streak. It's funny seeing so many people cheering him on now when I used to be like the only one clicking the yes link for his games but it's also neat. I hope he wins the MSL.
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
I think other SKT players needs to step it up. Bisu is the only person winning, and he's sick right now, for about 20 days (Since ~Jan. 10). I wonder why he's not getting any better when he's got to play 3+ games every time they play. Godddamit if you're going to rely purely on Bisu SKT, atleast freaking let him get healthy first...
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
Probably. It just feels disappointing when a player doesn't really pull his weight. Maybe I'm being too harsh on Fantasy, but I honestly feel after all his teammates help him practice for the OSL, the least he should do is try to help the team.
Hopefully Bisu will get better soon. He still looks kinda sick in the VODs.
Meh. Wtf is up with Best. Honestly. Fantasy doesn't seem to be doing much lately, besides his OSL he's been horrible in Winners League. I guess Im glad Hydra was the one to win, I really feel like he's the best zerg besides JD atm
Hydra proves that he's another Zerg wonderkid. I see much highter potential in him than massively overrhyped Action. This guy is no joke, really. Well, Fantasy is not in form. its his typical fall down, ever after tournament he's losing strange games. He should take a break, let pikatchu or other teammate show up and came back when he will be in shape.
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
Give it a rest.
Seriously, I'm not even a Fantasy fan and it's super annoying. Give credit where it's due and stop making up excuses you THINK are true.
Sad that Bisu lost, but SKT srsly needs to step things up. They can't win by relying on Bisu alone.
Idk what Fantasy is doing right now. He takes OSL then rolls over to Horang2. wtf Coach Park made a terrible decision sending out Best vs a zerg. They should've at least sent out Kwanro heck maybe even Ssak.
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE DAYS OF SKT WHEN THEY HAD AN EXTREMELY RELIABLE TERRAN LINE u___________u
Seriously, what the hell happened to Kwanro? I thought they picked up his contract entirely to field more zergs in proleague and he's been non existant in WL.
Maybe his whole prepared cheese strategies are less viable when you don't know who or how many times you're playing but it's really odd that he's vanished in place of soo and the like.
On February 02 2011 10:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: Seriously, what the hell happened to Kwanro? I thought they picked up his contract entirely to field more zergs in proleague and he's been non existant in WL.
Maybe his whole prepared cheese strategies are less viable when you don't know who or how many times you're playing but it's really odd that he's vanished in place of soo and the like.
It was a terrible move for him to go to SKT. First he goes to Woongjin cause hes being overshadowed by Effort then he moves to SKT because Zero and now Soulkey were performing better. Had he have known that 10-11 proleagues were Bo7, he would have stayed. SKT has way too many players and in WL, its only 4 not 6 possibly 7 players in a game
Was bored and did a bit of searching around for news of Kwanro in the Korean communities, and it looks like the Korean netizens have the same kinds of questions we have...
"Where's Kwanro nowadays? Why isn't the coach sending him out? They spent money and bought him, so they should use him." "Kwanro should've been sent out yesterday! He probably could've taken down Hydra over BeSt, since BeSt's PvZ isn't that hot." "Maybe it's part of the coach's strategy or something... Maybe he has some personal troubles recently? Who knows...." "Strategy or not, I really wanna see him again. It's so strange not seeing him lately." "Yeah, I want to see him again... I miss him ㅠㅠ"
Maybe we'll see him again after Lunar New Year's holidays are over? I certainly hope so.
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
In all but TvZ he has almost always been. With Oov or not.
On February 02 2011 14:37 Spica wrote: Was bored and did a bit of searching around for news of Kwanro in the Korean communities, and it looks like the Korean netizens have the same kinds of questions we have...
"Where's Kwanro nowadays? Why isn't the coach sending him out? They spent money and bought him, so they should use him." "Kwanro should've been sent out yesterday! He probably could've taken down Hydra over BeSt, since BeSt's PvZ isn't that hot." "Maybe it's part of the coach's strategy or something... Maybe he has some personal troubles recently? Who knows...." "Strategy or not, I really wanna see him again. It's so strange not seeing him lately." "Yeah, I want to see him again... I miss him ㅠㅠ"
Maybe we'll see him again after Lunar New Year's holidays are over? I certainly hope so.
It's so sad The fans in Woongjin gallery miss him too.
On February 02 2011 16:44 mnesthes wrote: I've just watched the VODs and Horang2 had nearly 20 gateways in that first game.
That's typical Horang2 play. He plays the same way in PvP. Another trademark of his PvT is recalling on top of a tank line, and little/no stasis used. lol
July and TheZerg both had trouble when they moved to SKT1 so Kwanro's situation isn't that unique. Who knows what Kwanro's situation is actually like though, he might actually be a helpful practice partner although I haven't heard him being thanked in winning interviews.
On February 02 2011 00:52 TyranoS_NiveK wrote: It's sad to see everyone else on SKT roll over and die... especially disappointed by Fantasy. From 3-0ing one of the best PvT players of all time and now rolling over to the likes of Jaehoon and Horang. I really hope he shapes up...
Oh and we really want to see Pikachu again.
The 3-0 was pretty much iloveoov's victory IMO. Fantasy had the better builds by far in that series but as a player in general, he's not amazing.
In all but TvZ he has almost always been. With Oov or not.
Fantasy's TvZ is not so bad either. He can play a straight game very, very well. He spends too much time dicking around with exotic builds and timings. I think Oov is a great coach on the whole, but I feel like Oov's influence on Fantasy has been a mixed blessing.
fantasy's tvz is really good, he is just prone to making mistakes that lose him games against players he should be rolling over. he beat jaedong pretty consistently relative to how other terrans perform.
Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?
On February 03 2011 11:31 infinity2k9 wrote: Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?
Better question:
How many zergs have we had that look good against T?
On February 03 2011 11:31 infinity2k9 wrote: Hydra looks impressive but i notice something. He's hardly played any ZvT at all. This will be a real test. How many zergs have we had that look good against P but not T?
Better question:
How many zergs have we had that look good against T?
Savior, GGplay, Yarnc, Jaedong
On February 03 2011 09:25 oneofthem wrote: fantasy's tvz is really good, he is just prone to making mistakes that lose him games against players he should be rolling over. he beat jaedong pretty consistently relative to how other terrans perform.
jaedong vs fantasy 8 : 7 53.3% jaedong vs all terrans 179: 105 63.0% jaedong vs terrans except fantasy 171 : 98 63.6% jaedong vs terrans except fantasy & flash 151: 75 66.8%
pretty easily shown
fantasy flash and light are the top 3 tvz's for reference, jaedong vs flash 20 : 23 46.5% jaedong vs light 12: 10 54.5%
the matchup with jaedong is significant because it is exceedingly rare to find a terran who can contend with a mechanical monster like jaedong, especially over long games. anyone who can do decent vs jaedong must have very strong tvz fundamentals.
On February 03 2011 16:38 oneofthem wrote:anyone who can do decent vs jaedong must have very strong tvz fundamentals.
I doubt his TvZ "fundamentals" are stronger than that of, say, Sea or ForGG (I miss him ). He just happens to meet Jaedong a lot in individual leagues (or Proleague finals/Ace match), which he is able to prepare amply for--and Fantasy's strength is in his preparation.
If you watched his series vs. Calm, you can probably see some of his... lack... of TvZ fundamentals. Or you could watch how he got pwned by Soulkey multiple times.
Fantasy's great because of his unorthodox play in series. He has odd builds which are his specialty in winning games (prime example: OSL Finals.) He has some decent TVZ fundamentals. They're not exactly very strong.
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