Come on! Let's have the Stork vs Fantasy final I've been hoping for since I saw the quarterfinal brackets. Let's have I dunno... 3-1 with 4 awesome games.
can i just ask did the whole SONG BYONG GOO chant thing only become popular through daniel? i never remembered crowds being this crazy when stork was playing JD in last year's semifinals (not sure if that was the MSL/OSL). is it just cos he's the last remaining S class player?
On January 21 2011 19:40 jjhchsc2 wrote: all the streams keep lagging for me... (craton, roffles and sayles) Any way to stop this lag?
Since the streams are running fine for me, I suppose it has something to do with your internet connection. Check for running downloads (roommates maybe?) and restart your connection just to be sure.
I actually don't care about the winner, but I'm still a Zerg player at heart, so I have to root for the swarm.
Overlord in Stork's base already, Probe dances around and around, two Cannons at Stork's choke, Probe keeps running, Zerg started to gather gas, Lings running back to his natural, Modesty looks tense, I'm doing lot of multitasking in my post.
Modesty finally cleans up but Stork has done a lot of damage and is now setting up for a third, Modesty trying to counter with lings but Stork has an archon ready.
Stork going for another hit with 5 zealots and the archon
Modesty's mutas are a LOT more effective that he has +1 armor and fends off the sairs pretty well and he should have air control now with his 30+ scourge
Modesty hits the main and the scourge keeps the sairs at bay
Stork going for the third again andModesty decides to reinforce his third with his mutas
That is a lot of sunkens! Stork blows most of his storms trying to hit the mutas amd eventually the mutas are cleaned up
Modesty plopping down more sunkens but his third is gone and that means so is his 4th.
One mistake costs Modesty the game, sticks around for another 10 minutes. :/ Still, good play by Stork, I'm impressed, even though I have to root for the swarm.
Modesty didn't look bad, but I don't know why stuck in it so long. It can't feel good to play a game like that, where you get set behind early and lose ground all game, especially not in game 1.
Well played by Stork, great decision making at each turn. I was a little bit scared when he attacked Modesty's third at the end because the zerg was so well entrenched, but obviously he knew a lot more than I did
On January 21 2011 20:01 Breach_hu wrote: the fun thing is that if modesty could hold the 3rd, then stork would be in a shitty position.
If only Modesty could defend his 3rd with his infinite-scourge count against Stork's ground force, right?
if he hold and his airforce kills the sair, he can abuse the drops and tier3 of the zerg.
Yes, with non-saturated 4 bases vs full 4-base protoss who has twice the food count, entire map control, leading in upgrades... am I missing anything else?
But yes, modesty would win if only he defended his 3rd.
Sigh... I hoped for closer games. Stork's good form combined with Modesty's 'I have no idea what to do so just turtle with Sunkens and hope for the best' approach... Makes one-sided game.
Anyone know if it's possible to turn down the quality setting of the stream? My internet connection is from the stone age so the stream lags a lot. It's usually fine if I can turn down the quality, but... Ustream :/
2 cannons again, Stork has learned from his mistakes lol. Blocks the opening just in time to keep lings from running in as one cannon was still warping in.
Modesty's third started and the probe is still scouting. Stork starts his core
Stork trying to run with some speedlots but now is being chased by speed hydras. Stork putting up cannons for the hydra bust and Stork's robo support bay is done too
Stork adding more gateways and his +1 ground wep should be near done
Modesty is getting completely dominated. Stork probably has something planned for the next map as well so it's most likely going to end in the next set.
On January 21 2011 20:31 popzags wrote: Damn you Kal for losing to this Zerg.
I hate teamkills.
Modesty is playing at least pretty good here, he's showing some good stuff.
Modesty is getting pushed like a loli, if this is the good stuff... He needs to get out there and harass Stork, letting toss expand at his leisure rarely gets anything done.
On January 21 2011 20:31 popzags wrote: Damn you Kal for losing to this Zerg.
I hate teamkills.
Modesty is playing at least pretty good here, he's showing some good stuff.
Modesty is getting pushed like a loli, if this is the good stuff... He needs to get out there and harass Stork, letting toss expand at his leisure rarely gets anything done.
Gotta learn to deal with DTs in this third before that.
On January 21 2011 20:32 boesthius wrote: $5 says modesty does something cheesy on pathfinder, calling it now.
I don't think many sane people would bet against that.
I definitely would. If anything the cheese is coming in game 4 after Modesty wins the highly Zerg-favored Pathfinder in order to take Modesty into the 5th set where he hopes Stork chokes.
On January 21 2011 20:31 popzags wrote: Damn you Kal for losing to this Zerg.
I hate teamkills.
Modesty is playing at least pretty good here, he's showing some good stuff.
Sorry, but I can't agree with it. He lost two Sunkens and Hydra Den to first basic Zealot/Dark Templar attack. Then he transitioned to mass Mutas and Scourge, but he hardly had any idea what to do with them. In game two, he pretty much clammed himself in bottom-left corner of the map and tried to take more expansions without map control or unit positioning. He is capable to do cute things like that fake Hydra bust, but he played too passive and chaotic games to get anything but uphill fight for survival.
<_< this is going to be a long shot but at the beginning of the break there was a kpop song and i think the only part i caught was "...change your love..." or something similar sounding. whats the song? it was def a girl group song i think
On January 21 2011 20:43 opiuman wrote: <_< this is going to be a long shot but at the beginning of the break there was a kpop song and i think the only part i caught was "...change your love..." or something similar sounding. whats the song? it was def a girl group song i think
Rainbow - A
Rainbow's gonna be at SL Finals performing, so they're hyping it up I guess?
On January 21 2011 20:43 opiuman wrote: <_< this is going to be a long shot but at the beginning of the break there was a kpop song and i think the only part i caught was "...change your love..." or something similar sounding. whats the song? it was def a girl group song i think
Rainbow - A
Rainbow's gonna be at SL Finals performing, so they're hyping it up I guess?
jesus... i totally forgot about that part being in there. i liked that song too but i think i've heard it so many times it phases through my head now
On January 21 2011 20:43 opiuman wrote: <_< this is going to be a long shot but at the beginning of the break there was a kpop song and i think the only part i caught was "...change your love..." or something similar sounding. whats the song? it was def a girl group song i think
Rainbow - A
Rainbow's gonna be at SL Finals performing, so they're hyping it up I guess?
jesus... i totally forgot about that part being in there. i liked that song too but i think i've heard it so many times it phases through my head now
actually it's more like im bothered by the "easy access line" line which makes absolutely no sense at all
On January 21 2011 20:43 popzags wrote:Sorry, but I can't agree with it [Modesty playing pretty good]. He lost two Sunkens and Hydra Den to first basic Zealot/Dark Templar attack. Then he transitioned to mass Mutas and Scourge, but he hardly had any idea what to do with them. In game two, he pretty much clammed himself in bottom-left corner of the map and tried to take more expansions without map control or unit positioning. He is capable to do cute things like that fake Hydra bust, but he played too passive and chaotic games to get anything but uphill fight for survival.
And if he didn't make those mistakes, he'd probably be winning these games. And I say that as a Stork fan.
I mean, I've watched Jaedong's latest ZvP games, and Modesty is playing better than him. Fight me.
On January 21 2011 20:43 popzags wrote:Sorry, but I can't agree with it [Modesty playing pretty good]. He lost two Sunkens and Hydra Den to first basic Zealot/Dark Templar attack. Then he transitioned to mass Mutas and Scourge, but he hardly had any idea what to do with them. In game two, he pretty much clammed himself in bottom-left corner of the map and tried to take more expansions without map control or unit positioning. He is capable to do cute things like that fake Hydra bust, but he played too passive and chaotic games to get anything but uphill fight for survival.
And if he didn't make those mistakes, he'd probably be winning these games. And I say that as a Stork fan.
I mean, I've watched Jaedong's latest ZvP games, and Modesty is playing better than him. Fight me.
You must be trolling. Modesty is playing like shit.
On January 21 2011 20:43 opiuman wrote: <_< this is going to be a long shot but at the beginning of the break there was a kpop song and i think the only part i caught was "...change your love..." or something similar sounding. whats the song? it was def a girl group song i think
Rainbow - A
Rainbow's gonna be at SL Finals performing, so they're hyping it up I guess?
jesus... i totally forgot about that part being in there. i liked that song too but i think i've heard it so many times it phases through my head now
actually it's more like im bothered by the "easy access line" line which makes absolutely no sense at all
If you listen carefully, some parts of the song almost sound like a train, so easy access line does make sense, it's relating to trains.
Wow, Modesty didn't focus Nexus and run into the main right after, but instead let Stork build up. Just what was he doing since he surely wasn't microing o_O Hopefully we'll never see him in semis again.
fucking ownage, I was hoping Modesty could put up a decent fight after his Kal performance. Looks like he is just another disappointment, that can't take a single game off Storkuu.
Think Modesty should have consolidated his eco after the three pronged Stork attack. Stork's macro was very good though even after losing so many zeals early.
This might be the best bo5 PvZ demolition since Bisu vs Savior. Everything Stork did was near perfect, from his great decision making, to harassment, army composition and positioning, micro and macro. Everything was just perfectly executed and I didn't any serious mistakes.
I know it is just Modesty but I don't think any zerg could have beat Stork with the way he played. I can't explain enough how excited I am to see a rematch of Incruit.
modesty oh my god, why do you make so stupid moves?
You should have left the hydras & lurkers at storks expansion, so you can delay any reinforcements from stork. You just lost the only chance you had by moving up a few hydras at a time up storks ramp to his main. You could have made sunkens at the time you were countering his natural, not throw away all your hydras at home with a-move in an open area far from your base. Seriously, stupid moves.
Stork played well but im really dissapointed in modestys performance.
On January 21 2011 21:08 AltaiR_ wrote: Last Protoss that had been in OSL Final: Stork. Duration: 2 Years+.
ABOUT FUCKING TIME. IDC WHO WINS, PVT FINALS IS HOW SHIT GETS EPIC AND GAME-5ESQUE. REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH
???movie vs flash movie was the last osl protoss finalist but i'll accept it as the last protoss that really stood a chance/favorite to win a final that reached a final
Not since the first days of the revolutionist has there been a Protoss with such fluid, dominating PvZ. He's combined in himself the strongest aspects of Bisu's classic play with his own amazing harass play and macro map controlling style.
On January 21 2011 21:12 boesthius wrote: i'm so happy it's not even funny. i cannot wait for the stork/fantasy rematch! OIROAHEFOAWEFOUAWEFOHAEf i'm so happy.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
Modesty played good. Not great, but good. He made some very blatant mistakes (forgetting detection twice, various micromanagement errors), but his overall game play was good.
Stork is just that much better and completely outplayed and outclassed him in every point. Macro, micro, battle decisions and overall strategy. There was just no contest at all, no matter how Modesty played.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good. It's hard to say just how bad he was playing because Stork was so good. But that was a lousy bo5 from Modesty.
wow... Stork just lucked into an OSL it looks like...
For the Finals... he gets TWO games on Aztec... are you kidding? So freaking imba for toss right now.
Fanta has to win 3-1 or he's not winning this OSL. I'm hoping to see some great play. I'd like to see a carrier rush, MnM ball, 2 fac timing, 12 nexus... you name it...
Wow, even the 3-0 score doesn't fully explain just how dominating a performance that was. Modesty was just outclassed. He wasn't really in control of any one of those games.
Yesterday I was actually a bit worried for Stork's PvZ given his loss to Zero. But it looks like Stork was obviously practicing full time for the OSL. And with that, nearly flawless play tonight.
On January 21 2011 21:08 AltaiR_ wrote: Last Protoss that had been in OSL Final: Stork. Duration: 2 Years+.
ABOUT FUCKING TIME. IDC WHO WINS, PVT FINALS IS HOW SHIT GETS EPIC AND GAME-5ESQUE. REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH REMATCH
Er...Movie?
Or does he not count? XD.
Movie is awful. His finals vs Flash were mediocre at best and he only won a single set because he made carriers.
I'd rather watch ZvZ finals than someone like Movie looking confused as to why he's losing throughout the entire bo5.
Did you even watch that finals? Movie had an advantage in every game but had some bad recalls that cost him. Especially his 4 base opening on HBR. Just great wall-in by Flash to force Movie to attack from one point.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
Modesty played good.
So I was worng. Doesn't change the fact that he played like shit tough.
On January 21 2011 21:16 catabowl wrote: wow... Stork just lucked into an OSL it looks like...
For the Finals... he gets TWO games on Aztec... are you kidding? So freaking imba for toss right now.
Fanta has to win 3-1 or he's not winning this OSL. I'm hoping to see some great play. I'd like to see a carrier rush, MnM ball, 2 fac timing, 12 nexus... you name it...
But they only play aztec one time. Gladiator is the ace map.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good. It's hard to say just how bad he was playing because Stork was so good. But that was a lousy bo5 from Modesty.
Modesty was rather brilliant in his battle plan against Kal. He showed preparation and the ability to execute specialized build orders
In this semi-final, Modesty played like your average Zerg. Nothing special behind his play, no clear defined gameplan other than standard transitions.
On January 21 2011 21:16 catabowl wrote: wow... Stork just lucked into an OSL it looks like...
For the Finals... he gets TWO games on Aztec... are you kidding? So freaking imba for toss right now.
Fanta has to win 3-1 or he's not winning this OSL. I'm hoping to see some great play. I'd like to see a carrier rush, MnM ball, 2 fac timing, 12 nexus... you name it...
On January 21 2011 21:19 hauton wrote: Comparing Modesty to Zero last night is like night and day.
Modesty completely played into Stork's hands every game and was utterly dominated.
Zero went out with a cold, calculated play that was constructed from the ground up to bring Stork down.
Though I think Stork prepared for modesty way more then he did for that one game vs zero. Not to take anything away from Zero, he played great but first of he had better map, second as I said, Stork had a bo5 OSL semi the day after.
I doubt that Stork will put equal amount of focus on the next MSL games as he will do for the OSL final. Zero is getting lucky that he plays Stork at this stage. Its just perfect timing for him.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
Modesty played good.
Oh, come on. Way to cut my post short so that it looses all meaning. There is a huge difference between "bad", "good" and "great".
There are a lot of players out there who would have played much worse than Modesty today. Modesty did more than enough mistakes, but there were some good points. He was just at least one step behind Stork in everything he did.
On January 21 2011 21:19 hauton wrote: Comparing Modesty to Zero last night is like night and day.
Modesty completely played into Stork's hands every game and was utterly dominated.
Zero went out with a cold, calculated play that was constructed from the ground up to bring Stork down.
Given the way Stork played today I think it speaks more that Stork didn't practice all that much for Zero and saw the obvious importance of practicing for OSL maps instead.
On January 21 2011 21:19 hauton wrote: Comparing Modesty to Zero last night is like night and day.
Modesty completely played into Stork's hands every game and was utterly dominated.
Zero went out with a cold, calculated play that was constructed from the ground up to bring Stork down.
Given the way Stork played today I think it speaks more that Stork didn't practice all that much for Zero and saw the obvious importance of practicing for OSL maps instead.
Ya, I think Stork put a lot more effort into his preparation for todays games.
I mean if stork would have had a OSL ro8 at the same time as MSL ro8 he probably would have put equal amount of tiem. But when it comes down a bo5 semi and a bo5 freaking OSL final, its obvious that Stork probably not even put in half as much time in his MSL box vs zero as Zero is doing.
With Zerg maps Zero can easy make this box look like a walk in the park so you should not trash down on modesty. He showed great skill vs Kal.
I wonder though how much time Fantasy has already put in on Stork. I assume he started to prepare alittle even though the opponent was not yet decided.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good.
On January 21 2011 21:15 TimeOut wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
Modesty played good.
Oh, come on. Way to cut my post short so that it looses all meaning. There is a huge difference between "bad", "good" and "great".
There are a lot of players out there who would have played much worse than Modesty today. Modesty did more than enough mistakes, but there were some good points. He was just at least one step behind Stork in everything he did.
You said "good" three times in your first paragraph. Stop backpedaling. I was only being cute anyway.
On January 21 2011 21:12 boesthius wrote: i'm so happy it's not even funny. i cannot wait for the stork/fantasy rematch! OIROAHEFOAWEFOUAWEFOHAEf i'm so happy.
Good day to be a Stork fan.
You have no idea ;_;. days, months, years have passed where it seemed like there was no one else out there to share my love with byung goo.
Ive always been a stork fan.
It's nice to see him winning again. Was a really happy day when he finally got the Gold he so rightly deserved.
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
I think you are literally the only person in this thread that thinks Modesty was playing good.
On January 21 2011 21:15 TimeOut wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:12 Turbovolver wrote: If you guys can't see that Modesty played those games at least half-decent, just wait for the embarassing he's gonna give Fantasy.
Modesty played good.
Oh, come on. Way to cut my post short so that it looses all meaning. There is a huge difference between "bad", "good" and "great".
There are a lot of players out there who would have played much worse than Modesty today. Modesty did more than enough mistakes, but there were some good points. He was just at least one step behind Stork in everything he did.
You said "good" three times in your first paragraph. Stop backpedaling. I was only being cute anyway.
Okay, but I don't like it if quotes get split up in such a way just to prove a point. And there are other people in this thread who say the same thing, but without using "good"! *nenenene*
On January 21 2011 21:12 boesthius wrote: i'm so happy it's not even funny. i cannot wait for the stork/fantasy rematch! OIROAHEFOAWEFOUAWEFOHAEf i'm so happy.
Good day to be a Stork fan.
You have no idea ;_;. days, months, years have passed where it seemed like there was no one else out there to share my love with byung goo.
Ive always been a stork fan.
It's nice to see him winning again. Was a really happy day when he finally got the Gold he so rightly deserved.
I shed a tear of happiness that day. That's one of the two times I've done that due to SC (the other one being when Flash finally was back at the top after winning vs Movie).
The sad thing though is. That even if I dont really like Terran, I have always liked Fantasy and ever since he los to stork in that OSL final I have been hoping that he could get that gold he deserv.
Though He just cant get it on the cost of Stork so sorry Fanta :-) If he do beat stork I will be kinda upset at first, but it will feel better that he took it then if it would have been anyone els :-)
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote: Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.
And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.
Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.
Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.
As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.
well its har do deny that the timing for Zeros games vs Stork is just perfect for him. First one game followed by a bo5 OSL semi. Then the rest of the games followed by the OSL final.
I dont know how the games have been lapping when Flash and Nada won their dual gold but Flash had the maps on his side. Nada I have no clue but thats one time then.
As for map imb and that it did not count in that game. Map imb counts in the way you prepare for the game. Its easier for the player who have the map advantage to either use it, or do something that is not as expected due to the imb factor and so on and so on. It may not be a huge deal but it still counts.
Zero did it good but its just a fact that he had and has everything going for him in this box vs Stork.
I personally hope Stork dont put to much effort into the games vs Zero. Everything should be put towards the OSL final now.
Stop trying to dismiss zero's win by blaming the map or stork's lack of practice time. Why are people ignoring the obvious fact that zero's zvp is S-class and modesty's is B-class. Stork has recently stepped up his pvz but zero has always had stellar zvp. I'm rooting for stork but I wouldnt be surprised if zero 3-0'd him.
On January 21 2011 21:21 Seraphic wrote: two silver surfers playing. I wonder who's gonna get the Gold
Money on the guy who's already got a Gold and is playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
amen. I think everyone is rooting for him. Fantasy is a heavy underdog in this one. I'm like positive most every Bisu fans are behind Stork now.
That depends if those Bisu fans are also SKT fans or Protoss fans.
Shouldn't matter. All BW fans should root for Stork.
You're my least favorite poster. I don't know how you manage to root against the players I'm rooting for and vice versa, even in SC2, but it somehow happens.
Personally, Fantasy winning OSL and Stork winning MSL would be nice too. Though of course, I'm rooting for Stork dual league champion. Sorry Jaedong fans.
On January 21 2011 21:21 Seraphic wrote: two silver surfers playing. I wonder who's gonna get the Gold
Money on the guy who's already got a Gold and is playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
amen. I think everyone is rooting for him. Fantasy is a heavy underdog in this one. I'm like positive most every Bisu fans are behind Stork now.
That depends if those Bisu fans are also SKT fans or Protoss fans.
Shouldn't matter. All BW fans should root for Stork.
You're my least favorite poster. I don't know how you manage to root against the players I'm rooting for and vice versa, even in SC2, but it somehow happens.
If that's the case, then you're my favourite poster. I love to argue. :D
On January 21 2011 22:09 Holgerius wrote: If you don't think it's a big issue to have a Bo5 OSL semi final the day after to to prepare for, then you're a complete fucking moron.
On January 21 2011 21:21 Seraphic wrote: two silver surfers playing. I wonder who's gonna get the Gold
Money on the guy who's already got a Gold and is playing absolutely out of his mind right now.
amen. I think everyone is rooting for him. Fantasy is a heavy underdog in this one. I'm like positive most every Bisu fans are behind Stork now.
That depends if those Bisu fans are also SKT fans or Protoss fans.
Shouldn't matter. All BW fans should root for Stork.
You're my least favorite poster. I don't know how you manage to root against the players I'm rooting for and vice versa, even in SC2, but it somehow happens.
If that's the case, then you're my favourite poster. I love to argue. :D
Eh bad wording then, I have nothing against you personally, it's just I've noticed we're always rooting for the opposite players.
I think the calendar was more favorable the previous seasons, but the msl started quite late this season, and the calendar is very unfavorable to Stork. Tbh I'm a huge Stork's fan, but it is clear he can't afford to practice much his PvZ, betting on a semi when you have a finale coming is just bad sense. So except big surprises, Stork should be kicked out of the msl next week sadly. Zero is just not the kind of play you can defeat without practice.
But you never know with Stork...But IF Stork makes it, i definately see him for MSL gold.
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote: Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.
And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.
Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.
Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.
As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.
Stork is in a quarter- and semi-final situation, which many progamers have been in before. Of those, Flash and Nada went all the way and won both leagues outright. The countless others include everyone else who's ever simultaneously made it into the finals, semi-finals, or any combination thereof, regardless of result. They are proof that Stork was not in some Mission Impossible scenario, and had every chance to beat Zero last night.
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote: Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.
And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.
Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.
Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.
As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.
Stork is in a quarter- and semi-final situation, which many progamers have been in before. Of those, Flash and Nada went all the way and won both leagues outright. The countless others include everyone else who's ever simultaneously made it into the finals, semi-finals, or any combination thereof, regardless of result. They are proof that Stork was not in some Mission Impossible scenario, and had every chance to beat Zero last night.
I dont know but was it exactly the same for Flash, JD and so on? Did they play a S-class player in a MSL ro8 and then have a OSL semifinal bo 5 the day after? And did they then have a bo5 OSL Final just 2 days after the MSL ro8 was done? And how was the maps and so on and so on. To have 2 finals after each other is of course a huge deal, though since Flash and JD played each other both times it of course change things.
And as stated again, just because Flash and Nada made it, does not mean its not shit hard to do and that its not a biggy if you end up having the situation Stork is now.
We do not try to say that Zero won just because of this. We just state the obvious fact that it DOES MATTER. It just cant be that hard to get can it?
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote: Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.
And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.
Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.
Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.
As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.
Stork is in a quarter- and semi-final situation, which many progamers have been in before. Of those, Flash and Nada went all the way and won both leagues outright. The countless others include everyone else who's ever simultaneously made it into the finals, semi-finals, or any combination thereof, regardless of result. They are proof that Stork was not in some Mission Impossible scenario, and had every chance to beat Zero last night.
No. You're saying it's easy for Stork to advance in both leagues, which would imply Finals for the OSL, and Semi-finals for the MSL. And given that protoss is much more map dependent than other races, they require the most practice in order to fully prepare for each maps.
Anyway, how many players in history have done this? And how many of them are protosses?
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Ah dangit, if I had woken up at least half an hour earlier, I could have caught at least the end of the last game in time. But at least I woke up to great results, yeahhh Song Byung Goo!! 8DDD Stork-Fantasy finals will be goooood. |D
But I didn't expect these results, I thought that Modesty would've put up a better fight, at least 3-1. o.O;; Was Stork utterly dominating and mostly played one-sided games?
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I? But what the hey, another obvious candidate would be Jaedong. IIRC, Savior made it to simultaneous finals as well.
But hey, if you're not willing to believe me that many progamers have gone better than simultaneous Ro8/Ro4 in the Single Leagues, be my guest.
My argument doesn't even imply that a progamer has to advance to both Finals and Semis. Seeing as we're talking about that single game of a segmented Bo5, we're really talking about one's ability to advance in one league (tonight's OSL), while winning game 1 of another (last night's MSL).
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I?
Because you're the one who said the following statement. If you know "countless others", surely you can roll off five or ten off the top of your head.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I? But what the hey, another obvious candidate would be Jaedong. IIRC, Savior made it to simultaneous finals as well.
But hey, if you're not willing to believe me that many progamers have gone better than simultaneous Ro8/Ro4 in the Single Leagues, be my guest.
My argument doesn't even imply that a progamer has to advance to both Finals and Semis. Seeing as we're talking about that single game of a segmented Bo5, we're really talking about one's ability to advance in one league (tonight's OSL), while winning game 1 of another (last night's MSL).
You should do it because you're the one coming with silly claims. Burden of proof.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I? But what the hey, another obvious candidate would be Jaedong. IIRC, Savior made it to simultaneous finals as well.
But hey, if you're not willing to believe me that many progamers have gone better than simultaneous Ro8/Ro4 in the Single Leagues, be my guest.
My argument doesn't even imply that a progamer has to advance to both Finals and Semis. Seeing as we're talking about that single game of a segmented Bo5, we're really talking about one's ability to advance in one league (tonight's OSL), while winning game 1 of another (last night's MSL).
if you put it that way, stork won simultaneous in ro32. ro 16 and (probably) ro8 already
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I? But what the hey, another obvious candidate would be Jaedong. IIRC, Savior made it to simultaneous finals as well.
Yes, Savior made simultaneous finals. And was at that time the Bonjwa and undisputed best player, at least before the final to Bisu, and probably for some time after that final as well.
Fact is, making dual finals, or even dual semi-finals, has always been the exception, NOT the norm. That is why Flash's and Jaedong's recent domination has been so profound, and why those two have been sitting alone at the top for so long. For most of broodwar's history, it has not been like that.
On January 21 2011 21:46 purpose wrote: The sad thing though is. That even if I dont really like Terran, I have always liked Fantasy and ever since he los to stork in that OSL final I have been hoping that he could get that gold he deserv.
Though He just cant get it on the cost of Stork so sorry Fanta :-) If he do beat stork I will be kinda upset at first, but it will feel better that he took it then if it would have been anyone els :-)
I totally second that. Despite being bored with the race I always want Fantasy to win when I watch him play. Perhaps that's got something to do with being a fan of SKT1, but regardless I hope he puts up a great fight with Stork because he was on fire tonight.
Savior did it once, but other than that he kept getting knocked out of OSL in the prelimilaries.
Basically the only people who does stuff like that are players like Nada, Flash, Jaedong, and then we are talking about Top 5 in the history of the game. It is not common.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Hey, if you're not willing to do the research, why should I?
Because you're the one who said the following statement. If you know "countless others", surely you can roll off five or ten off the top of your head.
On January 21 2011 23:26 Holgerius wrote: Btw, I can't wait for someone to translate the interview. :D
Can't translate the interview since I have to go to school really soon, but be patient, someone is probably working on it right now and it should be going up sooner or later. The DES version is kinda long, with 14 questions and 14 sort of long-winded answers. The wait should be worth it though.
Damn you school, I could be reading me up some beautiful Byung Goo words of wisdom right now. DDD:
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote: Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.
Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.
Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.
And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.
Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.
Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.
As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.
Stork is in a quarter- and semi-final situation, which many progamers have been in before. Of those, Flash and Nada went all the way and won both leagues outright. The countless others include everyone else who's ever simultaneously made it into the finals, semi-finals, or any combination thereof, regardless of result. They are proof that Stork was not in some Mission Impossible scenario, and had every chance to beat Zero last night.
No. You're saying it's easy for Stork to advance in both leagues, which would imply Finals for the OSL, and Semi-finals for the MSL. And given that protoss is much more map dependent than other races, they require the most practice in order to fully prepare for each maps.
Anyway, how many players in history have done this? And how many of them are protosses?
Well Bisu was in Gomtv MSL S3 Finals and Ever 07 OSL semis, so he made dual semis.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:
Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong. Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2. Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash) Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.
Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:
Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong. Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2. Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash) Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.
Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:
Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong. Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2. Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash) Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.
Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
Stork probably could be if he wasn't offracing, playing WoW, watching One Piece and playing cell phone games while Flash/Jaedong/Bisu is practicing.
Stork has been playing absolutely amazing lately, If he wins it all he would totally eclipse Bisu's career achievements and replace him as the number 1 toss player of all time. He is performing on S class level in all match ups, even in PvZ, I'm not for a minute going to suggest he has a better PvZ than Bisu, but its as good as...
On January 22 2011 02:22 disciple wrote: Stork has been playing absolutely amazing lately, If he wins it all he would totally eclipse Bisu's career achievements and replace him as the number 1 toss player of all time. He is performing on S class level in all match ups, even in PvZ, I'm not for a minute going to suggest he has a better PvZ than Bisu, but its as good as...
Yes if Stork win both OSL and MSL he will replace Bisu as the best Toss of all time and the most successful Toss of all time, the only title that will be left for Bisu is the "sexiest Toss of all time".
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:
Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong. Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2. Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash) Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.
Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.
The point has never been about Tosses winning dual finals.
The point is what justification, if any, did Stork have for losing to Zero on MSL?
I mean the fanboys can make all the excuses they want, but Stork admitted himself, according to the interview, that he prepared a lot for that match. And he lost.
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote: I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.
I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:
I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.
Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.
Mention these ''many people'' please.
Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:
Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong. Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2. Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash) Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.
Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.
The point has never been about Tosses winning dual finals.
The point is what justification, if any, did Stork have for losing to Zero on MSL?
I mean the fanboys can make all the excuses they want, but Stork admitted himself, according to the interview, that he prepared a lot for that match. And he lost.
I think that's about as simple as it gets.
Dude. It's really a little possible that ZerO is good at ZvP. It's his best matchup. I'm not trying to excuse Stork's loss (or his play), I'm just puzzled by people reacting as though Stork had an autowin there.
How the F did Kal lose to Modesty? Modesty's games today were all over the place. He killed one (1) of Stork's nexuses and that was in the final game. Kal vs Stork semi finals would have been better
On January 22 2011 02:22 disciple wrote: Stork has been playing absolutely amazing lately, If he wins it all he would totally eclipse Bisu's career achievements and replace him as the number 1 toss player of all time. He is performing on S class level in all match ups, even in PvZ, I'm not for a minute going to suggest he has a better PvZ than Bisu, but its as good as...
the only title that will be left for Bisu is the "sexiest Toss of all time".
Reach would have something to say about that though!!
No modesty from Stork... just straight up raped him! Fantasy will have to channel something really special to take it three games off SBG!
On January 21 2011 23:26 Lightwip wrote: If Fantasy wins, then Yellow will pretty much be alone in the Kong line. Maybe he'll acknowledge Jangbi as a part of it out of loneliness.
that's why stork has to win! punish the latecomer! (speaking of which, where's part 3 of that interview XD)
holy shit Fantasy vs Stork. Last time fantasy was in this position, he was facing the sickest PvT around as a relative rookie. Now Fantasy is a ton more experienced and ready to take his OSL. WHICH PLAYER IS GOING TO ADD ANOTHER SILVER TO THEIR COLLECTION!?!
Stork's current ELO peak vs. Zerg is the third highest ever for protosses behind Bisu and Nal_rA.
Finals Preview: Measured by ELO, Fantasy is currently the third best player against protoss, only behind Flash and Jaedong. Stork is currently the third best player against terran, only behind those same two beasts.
Fantasy's vP peak is the ninth highest all-time and happened December 8th, 2010 (Stork's vP peak is 19th place).
Stork's vT peak is the sixth highest all-time and happened July 5th, 2007. He's not far from it now, though. His if his current vT ELO of 2231 was his peak, it would put him at 10th place all time. Fantasy's vT ELO peak is the 9th place all time.
On January 22 2011 01:49 andrewlt wrote: Stork probably could be if he wasn't offracing, playing WoW, watching One Piece and playing cell phone games while Flash/Jaedong/Bisu is practicing.
Let me try. "Jaedong only lost because he is tired."
On January 21 2011 23:26 Lightwip wrote: If Fantasy wins, then Yellow will pretty much be alone in the Kong line. Maybe he'll acknowledge Jangbi as a part of it out of loneliness.
that's why stork has to win! punish the latecomer! (speaking of which, where's part 3 of that interview XD)
Jangbi is totally a part of it. Silver in GOM vs. Bisu, silvers in MSL vs. Bisu and Lux. I think that's already more silvers than Fantasy?
On January 21 2011 23:26 Lightwip wrote: If Fantasy wins, then Yellow will pretty much be alone in the Kong line. Maybe he'll acknowledge Jangbi as a part of it out of loneliness.
that's why stork has to win! punish the latecomer! (speaking of which, where's part 3 of that interview XD)
Jangbi is totally a part of it. Silver in GOM vs. Bisu, silvers in MSL vs. Bisu and Lux. I think that's already more silvers than Fantasy?
Yellow didn't invite him to that one interview though.
Splitting the single corsair being targeted by scourge so that the other corsairs could pick off the scourge, SHUTTLE/REAVER/CORSAIR/HT, sick storms, great sense of knowing where overlords were, hitting on multiple fronts to tax Modesty's multitasking, great zealot drops, sneaky DTs.
S-class PvZ right there. And to think his PvT is even BETTER. I hope they made a silver mouse specifically for Fantaskeet.
On January 22 2011 05:13 Emon_ wrote: Epic finals incoming.
How the F did Kal lose to Modesty? Modesty's games today were all over the place. He killed one (1) of Stork's nexuses and that was in the final game. Kal vs Stork semi finals would have been better
kal played too standard and doesnt have the pimp multitasking of stork! :D
stork had some cool timing stuff like walking zealots + dt attack and then sairs come in rape ovie and then templar + reaver tech instead of adding gates and stuff like usual protosses do ;o
On January 21 2011 23:26 Lightwip wrote: If Fantasy wins, then Yellow will pretty much be alone in the Kong line. Maybe he'll acknowledge Jangbi as a part of it out of loneliness.
that's why stork has to win! punish the latecomer! (speaking of which, where's part 3 of that interview XD)
Jangbi is totally a part of it. Silver in GOM vs. Bisu, silvers in MSL vs. Bisu and Lux. I think that's already more silvers than Fantasy?
Yellow didn't invite him to that one interview though.
On January 22 2011 19:52 Soulforged wrote: A silver surfer can only win the finals against another silver surfer.
(Stork prove me wrong in MSL :| )
Fantasy was a royal roader up until Stork beat him, so your idea doesn't really carry water. Every other OSL Stork lost to one of TaekLeeSsang. The silver surfer crap is really getting old. Stork's only got 2nd three times and it was to the players that have continued to dominate the scene in a ridic fashion. People act like Stork was the one who lost to Lux or Calm or Mind. He never did. TaekLeeSsang have arguably lost starleague finals to shittier opponents than Stork ever did.
On January 22 2011 11:09 oneofthem wrote: whos' going to win the silver i wonder.
Guys stork did win an OSL ya know.
He may be the silver surfer I guess but he DID win a gold.
Fantasy has not :D
we can only assume that since stork got another silver in the 09 WCG that he goes in patterns: 6 silvers in a row then a gold. so stork needs to win 5 more silvers before he can win a gold again.
On January 22 2011 19:52 Soulforged wrote: A silver surfer can only win the finals against another silver surfer.
(Stork prove me wrong in MSL :| )
Fantasy was a royal roader up until Stork beat him, so your idea doesn't really carry water. Every other OSL Stork lost to one of TaekLeeSsang. The silver surfer crap is really getting old. Stork's only got 2nd three times and it was to the players that have continued to dominate the scene in a ridic fashion. People act like Stork was the one who lost to Lux or Calm or Mind. He never did. TaekLeeSsang have arguably lost starleague finals to shittier opponents than Stork ever did.
On January 22 2011 19:52 Soulforged wrote: A silver surfer can only win the finals against another silver surfer.
(Stork prove me wrong in MSL :| )
Fantasy was a royal roader up until Stork beat him, so your idea doesn't really carry water. Every other OSL Stork lost to one of TaekLeeSsang. The silver surfer crap is really getting old. Stork's only got 2nd three times and it was to the players that have continued to dominate the scene in a ridic fashion. People act like Stork was the one who lost to Lux or Calm or Mind. He never did. TaekLeeSsang have arguably lost starleague finals to shittier opponents than Stork ever did.
On January 22 2011 19:52 Soulforged wrote: A silver surfer can only win the finals against another silver surfer.
(Stork prove me wrong in MSL :| )
Fantasy was a royal roader up until Stork beat him, so your idea doesn't really carry water. Every other OSL Stork lost to one of TaekLeeSsang. The silver surfer crap is really getting old. Stork's only got 2nd three times and it was to the players that have continued to dominate the scene in a ridic fashion. People act like Stork was the one who lost to Lux or Calm or Mind. He never did. TaekLeeSsang have arguably lost starleague finals to shittier opponents than Stork ever did.
He lost a WCG final to Luxury
lol Both him and Luxury were pretty drunk the night before, it was impressive they even got there in time to play. xD
I've been away from the BW scene for almost a year now, but I was a huge Stork fan and I always said his PvZ was underrated and had huge potential. I hope he wins it all!!
On January 22 2011 19:52 Soulforged wrote: A silver surfer can only win the finals against another silver surfer.
(Stork prove me wrong in MSL :| )
Fantasy was a royal roader up until Stork beat him, so your idea doesn't really carry water. Every other OSL Stork lost to one of TaekLeeSsang. The silver surfer crap is really getting old. Stork's only got 2nd three times and it was to the players that have continued to dominate the scene in a ridic fashion. People act like Stork was the one who lost to Lux or Calm or Mind. He never did. TaekLeeSsang have arguably lost starleague finals to shittier opponents than Stork ever did.
He lost a WCG final to Luxury
Lux Calm and Mind are all better than ForGG.
Were you following BW at all during Arena? fOrGG was really good when he won that MSL.
Stork looked crazy good in that game! I haven't followed BW much since SC2 came out, but how strong has Modesty been? Was Stork heavily favored or was the match expected to be closer?
On January 25 2011 07:23 Fighter wrote: Stork looked crazy good in that game! I haven't followed BW much since SC2 came out, but how strong has Modesty been? Was Stork heavily favored or was the match expected to be closer?
after beating Kal the way he did, i certainly expected the scores or at least the games to be closer but if you watch the series.. modesty i think managed to kill like one nexus the whole 3 games lol
I'm predicting 3-2 for Stork in the finals. I'm willing to bet that Fantasy pulls out some total insanity in this series, to make for an amazing finals.
EPT
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