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Graham
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada1259 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 09:12:20
December 19 2010 09:11 GMT
#361
wooooo
KT has all the wheels on the bus rollin again
I think I'm waiting for Flash's interview translation the most though.

:D

edit: reading.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 09:24 GMT
#362
WTF.
Watched Really vs Flash. "O RLY", Really? O_o Here to lose was more difficult than to win. -___- It's obviously your mistake rather than Flash's doing something outstanding - he did the only things that could get him back in the game and you've let him do this.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
December 19 2010 09:30 GMT
#363
On December 19 2010 18:24 _Quasar_ wrote:
WTF.
Watched Really vs Flash. "O RLY", Really? O_o Here to lose was more difficult than to win. -___- It's obviously your mistake rather than Flash's doing something outstanding - he did the only things that could get him back in the game and you've let him do this.

Actually after the initial wraith harass he couldn't do much. While the vultures did very well, the wraiths weren't worth their price since flash reacted very well to them. After that, Flash had an econ advantage, and Really's nat was late. When Flash started overexpending later, Really was too busy dealing with drop harass (in his 3rd and then his main) to be aggressive. Aside from the opening, Flash did play this beautifully.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
December 19 2010 09:38 GMT
#364
NICE WORK KT~! even though i quite love the woongjin players too : (
Graphicssavior[gm] : What is a “yawn” rape ;; Masumune - It was the year of the pig for those fucking defilers. Chill - A clinic you say? okum: SC without Korean yelling is like porn without sex. konamix: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MOMMY!
Darth Saros
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic245 Posts
December 19 2010 11:05 GMT
#365
So the best proleague team(yeah, that's Woongjin) lost again, even to our sad bunch. This round is absolutely bonkers.
Only BW...And everybody and your granny should know about CYBERPUNK 2077.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 11:19 GMT
#366
Yep, Really's nat came at the time when he had like x3 normal number of workers in main. =\

But still, he killed so much workers that he HAD to win.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
December 19 2010 12:46 GMT
#367
On December 19 2010 15:57 underxb wrote:
A better player consists of skill and manner... He has the skill but he needs to improve on the manner....He said "NO way he would lose in MSL" Did you watch his interview before MSL? What happened to him in MSL Ro32? He lost twice in a roll....


You are saying that Flash should improve his manners? Flash? Seriously? Did you even read any other interview with him? Get some bigger perspective and don't judge him just from one sentence.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
December 19 2010 12:55 GMT
#368
good day for my FPL! :D

gogo flash!
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 14:04 GMT
#369
Come on, even some Flash's fans say that he is thinking far too much of himself... -__- Isnt that an indicator. =__=

He's a good player but imho this particular season his play and results don't pair with his statements and behaviour. He plays just... normally.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
December 19 2010 14:37 GMT
#370
On December 19 2010 23:04 _Quasar_ wrote:
Come on, even some Flash's fans say that he is thinking far too much of himself... -__- Isnt that an indicator. =__=

He's a good player but imho this particular season his play and results don't pair with his statements and behaviour. He plays just... normally.


Do you mind naming them and quoting them? Then we can talk if it indicate something.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 14:38 GMT
#371
they're russian speaking and not from tl. =\
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
VManOfMana
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States764 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 14:46:29
December 19 2010 14:46 GMT
#372
On December 19 2010 15:57 underxb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 15:44 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 19 2010 15:21 underxb wrote:
On December 19 2010 15:05 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On December 19 2010 14:56 underxb wrote:
Flash was trying to make a statement without ending the game immediately.....

He was still very Mad about the MSL.....


like i said before he wanted to do the build that he couldn't do in his MSL games.


It was pretty risky for him to do that. Too arrogant, and that is also the reason he was gone from MSL.... Flash, learn to control your cocky mentality..... You will be a better player.....

Really didn't exploit the fact that he has the center....There was a window he could go all in and take out flash when he over expanded....


but didn't really have his main harassed the whole time Flash was expanding?

you're telling flash that he will be a better player?lol he rarely BMs and that BM bit him in the ass,so of course he's pissed,you need the closure if you want to focus properly.


You might be right. I could be right too.

Too risky to expand like that... I know he wants to finish the build and make a statement.
Consider that made and move on....

A better player consists of skill and manner... He has the skill but he needs to improve on the manner....He said "NO way he would lose in MSL" Did you watch his interview before MSL? What happened to him in MSL Ro32? He lost twice in a roll....


Homework for you: go read all the interviews he did in 2010 before you even consider Flash to be arrogant.

If anything, he has shown that he is very level-headed. That is the mentality that allowed him to be so dominant in 2009-2010. Ironically, that is the mentality why some accuse Flash to be boring.
Woo Jung Ho, FIGHTING! | "With the death of BW comes the death of an idea. And that idea, held by many BW fans, was that a computer game could actually outlive the Next New Game cycle. And to some extent it did." -Falling
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
December 19 2010 14:48 GMT
#373
On December 19 2010 23:04 _Quasar_ wrote:
Come on, even some Flash's fans say that he is thinking far too much of himself... -__- Isnt that an indicator. =__=

He's a good player but imho this particular season his play and results don't pair with his statements and behaviour. He plays just... normally.


Flash's normal play>everyone.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
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_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-19 15:35:26
December 19 2010 15:34 GMT
#374
Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted.

And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 19 2010 15:48 GMT
#375
On December 20 2010 00:34 _Quasar_ wrote:
Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted.

And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes.


Well i dont have a problem with that because 20 minutes win is good for me I don't like watching 1 hour ,2 hours boring standard builds for a tvt game . One's man food another man poison .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
December 19 2010 15:49 GMT
#376
On December 19 2010 18:06 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2010 16:35 okum wrote:
On December 19 2010 16:31 Zona wrote:
On December 19 2010 15:19 okum wrote:
On December 19 2010 14:56 flamewheel wrote:
Changing icons randomly is bad ;;

Your accusation is offensive. I change icons deterministically based on team performance.

translation: I cheer for whichever team's doing well.

No, I cheer for Flash (and whichever team I like better when he's not playing), but I refuse to acknowledge the rest of the team when they play like they did in R1.


You don't deserve to wear the tag. You've got no confidence in the team even when they hit a bad run, and that means you aren't actually a fan. You're the ultimate fairweather supporter and your KT tag means so little in lieu of that.

Harsh words, man. In truth, I'm a fan of all of KT, Stars, KHAN, ACE, with no strong preference (apart from being a Flash fan) and will with good conscience switch icons between those at my whim. On the other hand, I'm a nonfan of SKT, Hite and STX. Wouldn't wear an SKT icon even if they went undefeated for a whole round.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 16:00 GMT
#377
On December 20 2010 00:48 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 00:34 _Quasar_ wrote:
Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted.

And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes.


Well i dont have a problem with that because 20 minutes win is good for me I don't like watching 1 hour ,2 hours boring standard builds for a tvt game . One's man food another man poison .


I dislike that even more in TvP and TvZ, I really think Z should revert back to "meat" pre-defiler play, not rely on the hive tech while trying to defend 4 gas bases with like 1.5 lurkers. =\ They need to do that to overcome the build-order based, in fact, losses, that they might not even see coming. That's like playing cat and mouse, while terran obviously being the cat.

Many maps have chokes and flanks which encourage 4+ hatch lurkerling play. And even in the open field, there are limits to which you can spread marines - and still if you spread them, you leave most of them without medical assistance and feed them to lings. In this case lings are as cost effective as marines even if they are stimpacked. (Because normally 1 ling > 1 marine, and with stimpack still 2 lings > 1 marine)

But then zerg must learn some zergling spread to counter marine spread that some terran can do.

That's all a theory, but I strongly feel that something like this might work. Some really battle and control based play instead of gay attempts of build order or imba-abusive wins. I really hate these things.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 19 2010 16:22 GMT
#378
On December 20 2010 01:00 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 00:48 Sawamura wrote:
On December 20 2010 00:34 _Quasar_ wrote:
Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted.

And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes.


Well i dont have a problem with that because 20 minutes win is good for me I don't like watching 1 hour ,2 hours boring standard builds for a tvt game . One's man food another man poison .


I dislike that even more in TvP and TvZ, I really think Z should revert back to "meat" pre-defiler play, not rely on the hive tech while trying to defend 4 gas bases with like 1.5 lurkers. =\ They need to do that to overcome the build-order based, in fact, losses, that they might not even see coming. That's like playing cat and mouse, while terran obviously being the cat.

Many maps have chokes and flanks which encourage 4+ hatch lurkerling play. And even in the open field, there are limits to which you can spread marines - and still if you spread them, you leave most of them without medical assistance and feed them to lings. In this case lings are as cost effective as marines even if they are stimpacked. (Because normally 1 ling > 1 marine, and with stimpack still 2 lings > 1 marine)

But then zerg must learn some zergling spread to counter marine spread that some terran can do.

That's all a theory, but I strongly feel that something like this might work. Some really battle and control based play instead of gay attempts of build order or imba-abusive wins. I really hate these things.


Well sad thing is we got no control of the pro gamers method of build order as they will do whatever it takes to win .
BW/KT Forever R.I.P KT.Violet dearly missed ..
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
December 19 2010 16:22 GMT
#379
On December 19 2010 17:20 maybenexttime wrote:
4-0, nice. Guess KT Roflster and KTFlash are no more? ;p

One can only hope....
:)
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
December 19 2010 16:39 GMT
#380
On December 20 2010 01:22 Sawamura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2010 01:00 _Quasar_ wrote:
On December 20 2010 00:48 Sawamura wrote:
On December 20 2010 00:34 _Quasar_ wrote:
Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted.

And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes.


Well i dont have a problem with that because 20 minutes win is good for me I don't like watching 1 hour ,2 hours boring standard builds for a tvt game . One's man food another man poison .


I dislike that even more in TvP and TvZ, I really think Z should revert back to "meat" pre-defiler play, not rely on the hive tech while trying to defend 4 gas bases with like 1.5 lurkers. =\ They need to do that to overcome the build-order based, in fact, losses, that they might not even see coming. That's like playing cat and mouse, while terran obviously being the cat.

Many maps have chokes and flanks which encourage 4+ hatch lurkerling play. And even in the open field, there are limits to which you can spread marines - and still if you spread them, you leave most of them without medical assistance and feed them to lings. In this case lings are as cost effective as marines even if they are stimpacked. (Because normally 1 ling > 1 marine, and with stimpack still 2 lings > 1 marine)

But then zerg must learn some zergling spread to counter marine spread that some terran can do.

That's all a theory, but I strongly feel that something like this might work. Some really battle and control based play instead of gay attempts of build order or imba-abusive wins. I really hate these things.


Well sad thing is we got no control of the pro gamers method of build order as they will do whatever it takes to win .


We have no control but other pro gamers have :D They, too, must have not liked how they lose to build order, not to actually fought battle. =|
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
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