EPT[SPL] KT Rolster vs. Woongjin Stars - Page 20
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
That's what is actually nonsense IMO. =___= He just fucking had to come and kill everything, not more not less. What skill it requires? x.x Oh yes you have to develop build... lol. Fuck it. I like games where there actually are fights. | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
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BeaTeR
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
it's just too much things in your posts that i can't agree with. btw, was it you who suggested d-web is nice idea for PvT some days ago? about "boring flash" You know as a protoss user i've never followed a terran player (or zerg) before flash appeared. And now i try to watch every game he plays. Imho, he is very entertainig. His playstyle varies according to his mood. You never know is he going to proxy his opponent or turn on the turtle mode. And what about flash's comebacks? I can't imagine anyone thinks flash is boring player, there are a lot of terran who i consider more boring to be honest. And i'd actually like to write much more about your posts, but too high to concentrate on my thoughts... | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2010 00:34 _Quasar_ wrote: Not in this life. He's like a challenge to everyone in the progaming, and the last games show that this challenge has been accepted. And yes, maybe he's making some crazy TvT build with 100500 expands everywhere. But seriously, this is fucking boring. In TvT there's no "imbalance" possibilities, so all this can be plainly out-fought with the skill for battles. But yes, Flash can do all this shit, put 3 cc before rax, take 6 expansions in the first 8 minutes and so on. So boring. =_= I just like see him losing because in plain fights he often loses - gets out-dropped and out-tanked. He just tries to think of the build that gives him like insta-win. Fuck that stuff, I don't like to see games that are decided like 20 min before they actually are finished and I think no one likes. wtf are you talking about?! This is a strategy game! So obviously strategies (i.e. build orders) are one of the most important aspects of the game. And yes, Flash is a huge innovator. But I fail to see which of the builds he uses are "insta-win". You are simply Flash hater. You know nothing about him and his play and you spit you garbage again and again in KT threads. If you don't like him simply don't post. If you want to post, try to overcome your bias and write for once something meaningful... | ||
infinitestory
United States4053 Posts
On topic, I can't believe Stars collectively have lost their last 11 games in a row in PL. That's ridiculous. They've fallen so far from 2nd place  | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:11 infinitestory wrote: This argument is going absolutely nowhere, since nobody has produced any evidence whatsoever for either side, only generalizations that are pretty influenced by opinion. On top of that, it's very notable that all the KT fans are backing up Flash against an Oz fan. Now isn't that something? I don't think anybody should be making arguments of "oh ur biased" On topic, I can't believe Stars collectively have lost their last 11 games in a row in PL. That's ridiculous. They've fallen so far from 2nd place Take a look at what he's actually writing. I personally won't even bother to argue with him, I wouldn't know where to begin. >__< | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:11 infinitestory wrote: This argument is going absolutely nowhere, since nobody has produced any evidence whatsoever for either side, only generalizations that are pretty influenced by opinion. On top of that, it's very notable that all the KT fans are backing up Flash against an Oz fan. Now isn't that something? I don't think anybody should be making arguments of "oh ur biased" It doesn't help the cause of "people should actually read posts before posting" when you overgeneralize this into something like "it's KT fans versus an Oz fan". If you actually read what _Quasar_ has been posting - it's absolute ridiculous garbage, would be great trolling if that was actually his intent, and doesn't really justify a response. The burden of coming up with more specific arguments than generalizations should fall on the side making a controversial claim, just like how people shouldn't need to resort to chemistry when someone produces no evidence and simply claims "the sky is not blue". | ||
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2010 09:11 infinitestory wrote: This argument is going absolutely nowhere, since nobody has produced any evidence whatsoever for either side, only generalizations that are pretty influenced by opinion. On top of that, it's very notable that all the KT fans are backing up Flash against an Oz fan. Now isn't that something? I don't think anybody should be making arguments of "oh ur biased" On topic, I can't believe Stars collectively have lost their last 11 games in a row in PL. That's ridiculous. They've fallen so far from 2nd place Please read what he wrote about Flash. In this thread and in the other ones. It is beyond ridiculous. This is not about "Oz vs KT fans"... This is about one person either deliberately trolling or being blinded by his hate. I would have argued if there was anything to argue about. For now there is not. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 20 2010 07:07 Lebesgue wrote: wtf are you talking about?! This is a strategy game! So obviously strategies (i.e. build orders) are one of the most important aspects of the game. And yes, Flash is a huge innovator. But I fail to see which of the builds he uses are "insta-win". You are simply Flash hater. You know nothing about him and his play and you spit you garbage again and again in KT threads. If you don't like him simply don't post. If you want to post, try to overcome your bias and write for once something meaningful... Eh, you'll learn to take _Quasar_'s comments with a grain of salt, they're biased and his strategic analysis is often wrong. No need to get worked up. | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
On December 19 2010 21:46 L0thar wrote: You are saying that Flash should improve his manners? Flash? Seriously? Did you even read any other interview with him? Get some bigger perspective and don't judge him just from one sentence. ur letting ur fanboyism blind u from the fact that flash has subpar manners at best. dont bring out "he's the best so he can" stuff because i dont remember boxer or nada trash talking in a manner like flash at the top of their career and doing in-game ceremony like double d matrixing opponent's overlords underbx's point was legit, you need to get a bigger perspective urself | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Flash is the current bonjwa of Starcraft, of course MBC is going to make him say some arrogant shit and have all of his rivals trash talk back. The whole point of the night is to hype up the upcoming matches and that can't be done without trash talk and rivalries being (re)forged. He's commonly a victim of his own hubris when he gets far too much success for him to handle but I don't see how he's any worse than any other Korean progamer. Seriously, bringing up double d matrix overlords? He must have been like 15 at the time when he did that, it was literally that long ago and I can't really think of anything ingame from his that was similarly BM. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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L0thar
987 Posts
On December 20 2010 14:52 lastmotion wrote: ur letting ur fanboyism blind u from the fact that flash has subpar manners at best. dont bring out "he's the best so he can" stuff because i dont remember boxer or nada trash talking in a manner like flash at the top of their career and doing in-game ceremony like double d matrixing opponent's overlords underbx's point was legit, you need to get a bigger perspective urself No, I'm not. I'm Flash fan for almost three years, my perspective is as good as it can be. Notice that I said fan, not fanboy, just to clear things up. It's funny that you bring the game vs Magma, that's the only one in which I really didn't like Flash behaviour. But...mind to tell me more examples? You said "in-game ceremony like..." so you surely must have much more examples, right? Or was that more than two and a half year old game the only example of Flash BM you could find? Really? Two and a half year old game? I would help you though, the game vs Soulkey also comes to mind, where Flash expanded all over the map. That seems quite BM and unnecessary right? Wrong. As Xellos said in his recent interview, doing some in game ceremony is important for keeping the morale. Or is Xellos arrogant BMing bastard too? -You tried to do an offensive CC, which you don't usually do. Xellos: The flow of the match was going SK's way, so the morale of the team was very low. As Sergeant, you need to up the morale of the team, so I did the CC ceremony. In that match, Free originally "BMed" Forgg (with Scouts if I remember correctly), Flash was just returning the favor and helping the team morale. It's also funny that you mention Boxer and Nada but conveniently forgot to mention Oov. You know Oov and his attitude, right? Just from the recent PL writeup: One thing (T)iloveoov does well is create hype. He has said many controversial remarks in the past that he had to explain himself in many occasions. But as as iloveoov says these things, they have always managed to create hype for the games at hand. He struck again earlier this week via Cyworld. He posted the Proleague Team Standings -- and highlighted the fact that SKT was 1st while KT was dead last. He then giggled about it, posting the image of the standings. His act soon spread amongst the eSports fans in Korea, and KT's coach (Z)H.O.T-Forever even went out of his way to respond to the statement. Nice isn't it? And then you have the KT vs SKT match where Ssak "BMed" Tempest with manner CCs. After all this build up Flash said one or two sentences about Ssak and people dare to call him out because of it? How fucking biased you have to be to do something like that? I guess that would be for the perspective. And just a quote from Flash to end this up nicely. ▲ (T)Flash= Though it was a bit hard after dropping out of the MSL, I recovered from it faster than I thought. The people around me comforted me a lot and it was then I realized I have a lot of people who care for me. Because of this, I believe I’ll be able to recover even better in the future. Also, recently when my mother saw the icyhot patch on my hand, she told me she hoped I would drop one MSL or OSL. After hearing that, I realized I really do have a lot more to learn from my mother. My mother was worried when she told me that, and I was so touched – I just wanted to say how very, very thankful I am to her for her thoughts. What an arrogant bad mannered dick, right? | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On December 20 2010 03:17 BeaTeR wrote: sorry for this ) it's just too much things in your posts that i can't agree with. btw, was it you who suggested d-web is nice idea for PvT some days ago? about "boring flash" You know as a protoss user i've never followed a terran player (or zerg) before flash appeared. And now i try to watch every game he plays. Imho, he is very entertainig. His playstyle varies according to his mood. You never know is he going to proxy his opponent or turn on the turtle mode. And what about flash's comebacks? I can't imagine anyone thinks flash is boring player, there are a lot of terran who i consider more boring to be honest. And i'd actually like to write much more about your posts, but too high to concentrate on my thoughts... but he does make a point that only KT fans find all flash games not boring... no one else denies that flash is good, but his games look so one sided that even when he cheeses, as long as he wins, it feels boring to watch | ||
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Deekin[
Serbia1713 Posts
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Lebesgue
4542 Posts
On December 20 2010 23:14 saltywet wrote: but he does make a point that only KT fans find all flash games not boring... no one else denies that flash is good, but his games look so one sided that even when he cheeses, as long as he wins, it feels boring to watch This is just a matter of preferences then. One person finds its boring and the other person finds it exciting. But can you provide a support for the statement you are making that "only KT fans find all Flash games not boring". Watch his game against Best and tell me again with a straight face that Flash is a boring player... Or simply read comments there and tell me that you only see people with KT icons enjoying that game. If you find Flash boring you should also find all other terrans boring (maybe except of Hyia but Hyia fails so hard so often it is painful to watch). | ||
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mnesthes
5433 Posts
I used to not really like Nadal because he wins too much, beating everyone including Federer. But then I understand that he, like everyone else in this sport, just strives to become better, and winning is just an outcome when he can play more effectively than others. So I begin to appreciate his play and tbh it's very good if you consider how many impossible saves he has committed. I'm not trying to convert any of you to like Flash's play but if you hate him then I suggest you do not watch any live game that has Flash playing or at least don't come in here and stir up such an obsolete argument "durr guys Flash wins again he is so boring I don't care how aggressive his play is he is still a cheesing noob". Even though a lot of opinions in here are just pure *** I'm not going to quote any specific people and fire back at because I don't need to, there's already a lot of people to do it. I wouldn't even bother to say "haters gonna hate" because too many people have said it before me. | ||
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