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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2234 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1481
On August 28 2010 19:32 Mikilatov wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:31 Tuke wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:29 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote:
Flash - Turtle Master

wtf


Hahahaha, my mind has been blown as well.

guys, are you all from romania?
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1482
Why are people telling Jaedong to go 9pool?

When I had suggested it half a year ago people made fun of me telling terran will just rax expand and zerg will be horribly behind eco-wise...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1483
On August 28 2010 19:31 Lightwip wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:30 Doraemon wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:28 jaw wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:25 alffla wrote:
umm so how is zerg supposed to defend this ..stuff


don't let terran 14cc without doing anything.


what do you do against a 14cc? apart from early pool

You do just that, build an early pool.

Or you 3 hatch before pool and try to minimize the disadvantage.

It still is a disadvantage though.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1484
On August 28 2010 19:30 tragedy wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:28 Shatter wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:27 tragedy wrote:
i dont understand this, i fail to see what flash does to win these games

jd was 4bases vs 2 bases, jd harrased with mutas etc, and just lost in 10 minute push
game 2 same exact thing, 10 minute push nothing to do with same food count?

this final is just about as boring as IEM finals, not fun to watch at all.
Because Flash attacks before the 2 extra bases really makes a difference but has a bigger army because JD invested in late game economy.

and if zerg doesnt invest into economy he has no chance of wining anyway? i really dont understand
p.s. im not a player i just watch sc for years now

Zerg needs to double expand or he dies to mech right away. If terran does an early mech push, Zerg loses if he double-expand. You just need to guess what T will do, and if you know how to select a marine and click P, there's nothing Zerg can do to scout. For some reason it's a taboo to talk about SCBW imbalance but whatever, I have a differing opinion about that.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Gustav_Wind
Profile Joined July 2008
United States646 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 10:33:43
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1485
On August 28 2010 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:24 Mikilatov wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:23 GTR wrote:
who seriously expected a +1 armor timing push.
incredible from flash.


I'm pretty sure he had +1 armor in the first game too.

I'm wondering what the math behind that is?

Given that goliaths have +1 armor, they have 125 hit points and hydras do 10 damage -1 for the armor, they normally need 13 hits to kill a goliath, but with armor they need 14 hits, so one extra hit.


goliaths have 1 armor already, no?

So before the upgrade, hydras take 14 hits
after the upgrade, it's 16 hits

hydras take 7 hits to kill with or without +1 attack on goliaths

+1 armor is better
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1486
On August 28 2010 19:31 p14c wrote:
And you can't put this looses to map imbalance.. Jaedong is too greedy!


Well, you need to power drones and hatcheries to deal with 14cc transition to mech

Jaedong did the right thing but flash read it perfectly.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1487
On August 28 2010 19:31 epi wrote:
Beautiful read by Flash. This is the exact kind of build that caused him to get knocked out of the MSL by Kwanro to fans' cries of "why don't you build turrets?" He's just using it better, and early gas plus no ebay and no turrets seems like it winds up in a lot of goliaths midgame.


game 1 his turrets were on time. This game it seems he predicted JAedongs strats. Jaedong expexted Flash probably go for the late game like Light did. But well, he just won it with his sick timing...
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1488
Rainbow - A(MV)
CJ Entusman #24
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51583 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1489
rekrul approves of this k-pop
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ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1490
JD walks on such a thin line whenever he plays. When he fails, he looks terrible; when he succeeds, it looks amazing.
Flash's goliath build was really good though.
foxmeep
Profile Joined July 2009
Australia2337 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1491
I'm 99% sure Flash had his SCV in JD's base before he put the 14CC down. He knew JD didn't 9 pool.
Wonders
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Australia753 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1492
On August 28 2010 19:27 Mortician wrote:
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On August 28 2010 19:27 ForTenPoints wrote:
It's like a 3 hatch hydra bust in ZvP...there's really no way to scout it. You just have to have game sense and get lucky.

Personally I thought Jaedong should have 5 pooled or 9 pooled since odd eye is such a favorable map for 14cc.


It is favorable, because the rush distances are long i.e. he could have stopped it, especially since he scouted early


You seriously think Flash could have defended a 4 pool that game? He didn't scout until after his first depot finished. If JD 4 pooled, lings would hatch before the scv saw them. They'd be on the way before the barracks even started.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1493
On August 28 2010 19:32 thopol wrote:
At least this kpop is nice to look at...
The audio isn't plesant though.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-28 10:35:40
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#1494
Jaedong seemed so impossible to face in the Nate MSL final, crazy to see him like this in the two finals following it.
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#1495
This is depressing. Terrans are just waaaaaaaaay too flexible in TvZ and zergs can't really scout well.
On August 28 2010 19:32 Letmelose wrote:
This is what happens if you make maps that allow terrans to expand and tech up at the same time, with no other starting locations for zergs to exploit. Zerg has to play on even bases and then die a horrible late game death. Jaedong knew that he had to cut every corner he could in order to have a chance of winning at the late game stages. Flash knew this also. What does he do? He chooses the builds that counter the only choice of a build order that Jaedong can take if he is to play a standard game.

Totally agree with this.
chennis
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan227 Posts
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#1496
I don't know about you guys but...

A A A A~
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#1497
On August 28 2010 19:34 amarillo wrote:
What k-pop group was that with the shiny legs? :X

rainbow
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2010 10:34 GMT
#1498
On August 28 2010 19:33 foxmeep wrote:
I'm 99% sure Flash had his SCV in JD's base before he put the 14CC down. He knew JD didn't 9 pool.
I dont think so. Getting a SCV their in time seems like he would have to send it really early.
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
August 28 2010 10:35 GMT
#1499
yes. Jaedong most probably assumed that flash was going for mech and did a tech switch from mutas to hydras while upgrading +1 air carapace for the late tech switch back to mutas. what jd didnt expect was a goliath timing push from flash and so decided he was safe to double expand to prepare for the incoming slow mech push which screwed him over.

feel bad for jd =(
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
August 28 2010 10:35 GMT
#1500
God mass goliath is boring.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
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