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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1461
let's hurry this up flash. I'm pretty tired so go bbs or something
DavidCanFly
Profile Joined November 2009
United States35 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1462
Ugh :[ off to bed.. lets go JD >:[ I believeee LLWWW
epi
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada115 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1463
Beautiful read by Flash. This is the exact kind of build that caused him to get knocked out of the MSL by Kwanro to fans' cries of "why don't you build turrets?" He's just using it better, and early gas plus no ebay and no turrets seems like it winds up in a lot of goliaths midgame.
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1464
On August 28 2010 19:29 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote:
Flash - Turtle Master


Say what... I haven't seen any turtling from Flash these games.
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1465
Is anyone else watching those girls? :D
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1466
less K-pop,
more Jae-dong comeback.
CJ Entusman #24
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2010 10:31 GMT
#1467
Jaeong 9 pool gogo
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1468
On August 28 2010 19:30 ForTenPoints wrote:
I'm a big JD fan but I have to admit, FLash's play is just amazing. I think a lot of people are missing the beauty of the timing attacks. There is a little bit of coincidence/luck/pre-game prep involved as well.

For example in game 2, JD was planning to hydra bust like he attempted vs light in the semifinals. If Flash turreted like light did, JD would have gained an advantage. But instead, Flash counters with his own push that comes before JD's.


Uh no when Jaedong did a Hydra bust vs Light he didn't go Lair. It was a lot faster then what it looked like he was gonna do there.
When I think of something else, something will go here
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1469
At least this kpop is nice to look at...
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1470
On August 28 2010 19:31 Tuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:29 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote:
Flash - Turtle Master

wtf


Hahahaha, my mind has been blown as well.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
datscilly
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States529 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1471
Wow, that was tough for Jaedong. Flash's upgrade arrived first, while hydra attack was too late for the battle. Jaedong even canceled air carapace to try to deal with it.

On August 28 2010 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:24 Mikilatov wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:23 GTR wrote:
who seriously expected a +1 armor timing push.
incredible from flash.


I'm pretty sure he had +1 armor in the first game too.

I'm wondering what the math behind that is?

Given that goliaths have +1 armor, they have 125 hit points and hydras do 10 damage -1 for the armor, they normally need 13 hits to kill a goliath, but with armor they need 14 hits, so one extra hit.


Goliaths start with 1 armor, so instead of 14 hits normally, +1 armor goliaths take 16 hydra hits to kill.
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1472
K-pop Sigh...........
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
DwmC_Foefen
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Belgium2186 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1473
Their legs are wet and/or greasy...
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1474
Well statistically map imbalanced, but they just havent figured out how to play it properly...maybe
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Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1475
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/cratonz
stream works fine.
김태연 | 정은지 | 아이유 |  한효주 | 이민정 <3 -|||- 소녀시대 에이핑크 사랑해!
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1476
This is what happens if you make maps that allow terrans to expand and tech up at the same time, with no other starting locations for zergs to exploit. Zerg has to play on even bases and then die a horrible late game death. Jaedong knew that he had to cut every corner he could in order to have a chance of winning at the late game stages. Flash knew this also. What does he do? He chooses the builds that counter the only choice of a build order that Jaedong can take if he is to play a standard game.
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
August 28 2010 10:32 GMT
#1477
jd is playing this like he would a standard ZvMech, where the terran turtles off 2 base for 15 mins while the zerg is allowed to take 6 bases. Flash isn't in the mood to play along.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1478
On August 28 2010 19:31 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:28 MuffinDude wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:24 Mikilatov wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:23 GTR wrote:
who seriously expected a +1 armor timing push.
incredible from flash.


I'm pretty sure he had +1 armor in the first game too.

I'm wondering what the math behind that is?

Given that goliaths have +1 armor, they have 125 hit points and hydras do 10 damage -1 for the armor, they normally need 13 hits to kill a goliath, but with armor they need 14 hits, so one extra hit.

hmm i think the +1 armor is more to tank mutas damage rather than hydras' ...

but hey he's fucking Flash and i'm just a lowly peasant so what do i know?

Flash skipped comsats in both games and Jaedong didn't have a single lurker.



Flash had comstats both games. =x

Did you not see him scan the muta positions in the first game?
Remember Violet.
Yggdrasil Leaf
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
221 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1479
On August 28 2010 19:32 Mikilatov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2010 19:31 Tuke wrote:
On August 28 2010 19:29 Yggdrasil Leaf wrote:
Flash - Turtle Master

wtf


Hahahaha, my mind has been blown as well.


Sarcasm
"A person hears only what they understand" - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4751 Posts
August 28 2010 10:33 GMT
#1480
There really is not much to it, Jaedong is simply approaching it all wrong like the last finals. Sack the fucking Overlord for gods sake to see the 4 factories ==> research lurkers, then expand.
He let Flash get away with the fifth 14CC in a row, and tries to win a macrogame (4 out of 5 times) but he. will. not. win those. He shows no real dangerous early aggression whatsoever. Sometimes it's not the worst thing to learn from EffOrt.

Flashs late-game terran cannot be taken down by Jaedong currently. Jaedong expands like crazy and then Flash just does a strong timing push and it's gg because Jaedong isn't prepaired because of all those hatcheries and no units.

These finals really make me mad.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
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