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On August 31 2010 06:40 Evil_Monkey_ wrote:
Please people, it's ok to be disappointed Jaedong lost, but yout can't take anything away from Flash. Honestly, his games were brilliantly played. I've always been a terran hater (except for oov), but when a person attains the level that Flash has in broodwar, it's honestly pure art, not cheese. He rapes toss even harder than zerg and is incredibly robust in tvt. Jaedong is brilliant as well and equally smart, but Flash has the upper hand in in the mind games at the moment and you have to give him credit for his play.
Game1: Brilliantly controlled timing push
Game2: another ingenius timing push but of a different variation,
Game3: decides to get down and dirty with Jaedong and is beaten, but in an extremely close game.
Game4: is slightly on tilt and loses to some lings.
Game5: Goes for an all-build and shows some great micro.
I think he is the best player of all time without a doubt.
when JD and flash 1st met, flash was able to get the psychological advantage on him and beat in in 2/3 of the leagues they played in (Bacchus OSL and GSI). some months later JD is able to regain his mental edge and 3-0s flash in the GSL. from then on out I felt that JD held the mental advantage over flash for the next year+ or so, basically until flash beat him in the EVER09 OSL. When JD won NATE i thought to myself "he will always be able to gain the mental edge over flash in a Bo5 or on any stage grand enough", but I guess flash was able to regain some of his former series genius that he displayed in early 08 over the last 2 MSLs.
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On August 31 2010 00:41 G5 wrote:
Flash is so baller he has 31 girlfriends, chews bricks, and rapes kids for a living.
You've got it mixed up.
Flash has 31 kids, chews girlfriends, and rapes bricks for a living. That last one is no joke. There's a reason he's called the "Ultimate Weapon".
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On August 27 2010 16:54 junkacc wrote:
Alright, I wait for the torrent. Must... not... click... on... this.... thread............
This made no sense in so many ways.
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On August 31 2010 06:59 SuperArc wrote:
I wish us zergs could call our all-in attacks "timing pushes".
I'll agree to this if zergs agree to the following:
The long period of the game where the terran zerg player does nothing but split the map and sit in their bases behind tanks, bunkers and spider mines lurkers, sunkens and infinite dark swarms, possibly sending out small bands of vultures zerglings to raid expansions, waiting to build up an unstoppable maxed army of 3/3 tanks 5/3 ultralisks, shall be acknowledged as "boring-ass turtling on imba maps".
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On August 31 2010 16:31 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 06:59 SuperArc wrote:
I wish us zergs could call our all-in attacks "timing pushes". I'll agree to this if zergs agree to the following: The long period of the game where the terran zerg player does nothing but split the map and sit in their bases behind tanks, bunkers and spider mines lurkers, sunkens and infinite dark swarms, possibly sending out small bands of vultures zerglings to raid expansions, waiting to build up an unstoppable maxed army of 3/3 tanks 5/3 ultralisks, shall be acknowledged as "boring-ass turtling on imba maps".
Exceot Ultralisks are easily stoppable :/ you have to have good flankin and swarms
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On August 31 2010 17:45 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 16:31 okum wrote:On August 31 2010 06:59 SuperArc wrote:
I wish us zergs could call our all-in attacks "timing pushes". I'll agree to this if zergs agree to the following: The long period of the game where the terran zerg player does nothing but split the map and sit in their bases behind tanks, bunkers and spider mines lurkers, sunkens and infinite dark swarms, possibly sending out small bands of vultures zerglings to raid expansions, waiting to build up an unstoppable maxed army of 3/3 tanks 5/3 ultralisks, shall be acknowledged as "boring-ass turtling on imba maps". Exceot Ultralisks are easily stoppable :/ you have to have good flankin and swarms
You have to doom drop them on mass turrets and mech.
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On August 31 2010 17:45 Mortician wrote:Show nested quote +On August 31 2010 16:31 okum wrote:On August 31 2010 06:59 SuperArc wrote:
I wish us zergs could call our all-in attacks "timing pushes". I'll agree to this if zergs agree to the following: The long period of the game where the terran zerg player does nothing but split the map and sit in their bases behind tanks, bunkers and spider mines lurkers, sunkens and infinite dark swarms, possibly sending out small bands of vultures zerglings to raid expansions, waiting to build up an unstoppable maxed army of 3/3 tanks 5/3 ultralisks, shall be acknowledged as "boring-ass turtling on imba maps". Exceot Ultralisks are easily stoppable :/ you have to have good flankin and swarms
They are easily stoppable by modern, tank heavy TvZ late game.
But in 2007-2008 ultras were close to impossible to stop and many games looked exacly like that: mutas, lurkers, swarms, turtling, ultraling overruning. That were terrans who had to do 100000000000000 things in late TvZ with base drops, irradiates and swarm dodge. No metter that, Zergs still were bitching that Terrans were imba and easy to play (using irradiate was easy, but throwing swarms was hard? WTF???).
Now the situation is opposite, now its Zergs who have to press the terran hard and attack them in all fronts, drops...just do 1000000 things to weaken T's economy or face the oblivion in the late game.
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Just want to post in this epic thread, might be the last MSL and finally Flash wins!
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
i wish i could send an email to MBC or something
please don't die msl
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I just watched the VoD. I didn't have internet during the finals so I had to miss out on it unfortunately 
Epic mind games from Flash.
Next up is double title and golden mouse!
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On September 01 2010 01:42 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just want to post in this epic thread, might be the last MSL and finally Flash wins!
If by "finally" you mean "for the second time in a row", sure.
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On September 02 2010 12:01 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2010 01:42 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Just want to post in this epic thread, might be the last MSL and finally Flash wins! If by "finally" you mean "for the second time in a row", sure.
ZZZZZZZZZiing!
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The counter argument to the "imba maps" ive heard is that it doesnt matter if the maps were imba, when jaedong made some wrong decisions in the actual games played. This counter argument ignores the fact that those "wrong decisions" in turn are implications of the limitations imposed on JD by the imba maps. Therefore, if we take the imba maps as a true premise(cba arguing about that.. haters gonna hate) then it is indeed true that the matches didnt show flash being more skillful than jaedong.
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