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[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 131

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kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 17 2010 10:14 GMT
#2601
On January 17 2010 19:13 radadaundandan wrote:
Haha Movie raped Flash in game one? what a joke

strategically
8==========))
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 10:14 GMT
#2602
Both gonna scout each other last...
eci
Profile Joined July 2008
Germany45 Posts
January 17 2010 10:14 GMT
#2603
both wrong scouts
Vorwaerts!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
January 17 2010 10:14 GMT
#2604
On January 17 2010 19:13 KizZBG wrote:
lol Movie still a rookie? o_O

and jeez, when were the last, good, non one sided finals?

Jaedong - Fantasy.
In the woods, there lurks..
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43608 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2605
On January 17 2010 19:13 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:09 KwarK wrote:
Strategically he raped Flash game 1 too. He used the gas steal into proxy elevator rush (see liquipedia) but Flash was too good and scouted it. He then transitioned into hardcore macro play, did a sexy twin observer to get in and see flash's fact count (this was HUGE) and stole Flash's 4th. That is also huge because Flash can always take and hold that base eventually but Movie can do the same with his. They're safe bases. Every mineral Movie mined there was a mineral Flash couldn't.
It was insanely good strategically. He then followed it up with twin forge twin stargate fast arbiter while running his army around pretending to be aggressive. And Flash bought it hook, line and sinker and was a long way behind. If you put a Protoss and Terran player of the same skill in that game at that time it'd be over. It was just Flash was so incredible at dealing with it that Movie couldn't win. Flash blocked recalls with a line of turrets and mines, Movie hallucinates beyond the mines. Flash has to mine everywhere and Movie feints at the main with hallucinations and smashes into the mineral only. Everything Movie did that game was genius. Incredible strategic play. Had it been anyone but Flash they'd have lost it several times over. It is unfortunate to Movie that despite being easily the 3rd best player in the world right now he's thrown against the 1st.


Flash has been playing like a fucking genius there's absolutely no way to deny that. And Movie is showing extremely good preparation, good builds/strategies and excellent decision-making. I agree with you on everything you wrote.

My point is only about the execution thing.

Flash is holding on by execution alone and that's because he's #1 in the world. I don't honestly see how we can hold that against Movie. Worse execution than Flash is not a fair criticism of any player. He's already proven his PvZ is the best in the world and now his PvT is looking scary. The only problem at the moment is his inexperience in big games and his sloppy execution. I can't defend his sloppy execution but I can defend his gameplay as a whole because the rest of it is so damn good.
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2606
On January 17 2010 19:14 MamiyaOtaru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:13 konadora wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:11 cz wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:11 bearbuddy wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:10 O-ops wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


Didn't anytime do the same thing?


I think anytime went from 2-0 to 2-2 to 3-2


thanks for telling us about the 2-2 part

uh i think he was talking about

Anytime went 2-0

Then Boxer caught up 2-2

Then Anytime won 3-2

Right, but if a series goes from 2-0 to 3-2, it's redundant to say it went through 2-2 along the way. That's a given


LOL are you serious?
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radadaundandan
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria3148 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2607
JD vs Fnata was classic. Such a baller comeback from JD.
Flash returns...
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2608
On January 17 2010 19:13 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:11 cz wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:11 bearbuddy wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:10 O-ops wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


Didn't anytime do the same thing?


I think anytime went from 2-0 to 2-2 to 3-2


thanks for telling us about the 2-2 part

uh i think he was talking about

Anytime went 2-0

Then Boxer caught up 2-2

Then Anytime won 3-2

The point is that 2-2 is self-evident.
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2609
Movie hasn't fe'd in anyof the matches... is he afraid of early aggression?
MagisterMan
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Sweden525 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2610
FD from Flash?
Nachos?
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2611
On January 17 2010 19:09 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:02 PoP wrote:
On January 17 2010 18:55 KwarK wrote:
On January 17 2010 18:52 PoP wrote:
Terrible terrible execution by Movie in basically everything he attempted.

I disagree. His reaver micro was excellent, remember shuttles have less sight range than tanks have range, often you can't see the shit that kills you. His build was clever and had he not lost his first reaver it would have been devastating. His problem was that as good as he was, Flash was better.


Well, there was absolutely no reason to lose the first reaver. He dropped it behind Flash's mineral line, a good scarab went off and then his shuttle should have gathered it back right away. It didn't and that was quite damn bad to me.

And he shouldn't have lost the DT either. He saw the turret building, he could see the HPs. The shuttle was there. Not as big a deal as the reaver since (I think) scan was on its way but still, it was quite bad.

Also basically every break he attempted was quite poorly executed imo (at least compared to any S-class PvT players like Stork), especially that time when he dropped the reaver/zealots right in the middle of Flash's defensive army and THEN sent his army in. That's again pretty damn bad synchronisation-wise.

Again, nervousness probably isn't helping, but Movie's execution has been quite abysimal these games, imho. (His builds are very good though but it's another story.)

Strategically he raped Flash game 1 too. He used the gas steal into proxy elevator rush (see liquipedia) but Flash was too good and scouted it. He then transitioned into hardcore macro play, did a sexy twin observer to get in and see flash's fact count (this was HUGE) and stole Flash's 4th. That is also huge because Flash can always take and hold that base eventually but Movie can do the same with his. They're safe bases. Every mineral Movie mined there was a mineral Flash couldn't.
It was insanely good strategically. He then followed it up with twin forge twin stargate fast arbiter while running his army around pretending to be aggressive. And Flash bought it hook, line and sinker and was a long way behind. If you put a Protoss and Terran player of the same skill in that game at that time it'd be over. It was just Flash was so incredible at dealing with it that Movie couldn't win. Flash blocked recalls with a line of turrets and mines, Movie hallucinates beyond the mines. Flash has to mine everywhere and Movie feints at the main with hallucinations and smashes into the mineral only. Everything Movie did that game was genius. Incredible strategic play. Had it been anyone but Flash they'd have lost it several times over. It is unfortunate to Movie that despite being easily the 3rd best player in the world right now he's thrown against the 1st.


An intelligent sounding review at last! Thank you for your hard work!
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2612
On January 17 2010 19:14 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:13 KizZBG wrote:
lol Movie still a rookie? o_O

and jeez, when were the last, good, non one sided finals?

Jaedong - Fantasy.

idk even as a Fantasy fan, it seemed like a rape to me (game 1/2 - rape by fantasy, game 3-5, rape by Jaedong)
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2613
Flash playing it safe this time and taking his gas. Nothing researching yet on the shop yet... Oh here it goes.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2614
On January 17 2010 19:09 PoP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:06 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:04 Zozma wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:03 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
movie isnt playing at a finalist... even semifinalist level


LOL?! because he's 0-2? did you watch the games? he showed EXCELLENT preparation so far and great strategies if the opponent had been ANY other terran they would have been down 0-2
Don't say irresponsible things like "any other terran". Believe it or not, there are good Terran players other than Flash.


I'm aware there are other good terrans but give me an example of one that could have held that stuff off and don't say really.


I think basically any Terran would have stopped the initial rush at least, when you consider the fact Movie left a reaver alone twice outside of turret range and let the DT die before scan too.


Movie can't be babysitting his DT 24/7 he got a decent amount done with it by killing the shop and what more could he have done? try to kill an scv when there's a turret in range? run to the natural where there's another turret?

As for the reavers, they died to tanks that were out of sight range. He is supposed to map hack or something?
Hi.
Terranlisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Singapore1404 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2615
fd incoming
aka myheronoob
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
January 17 2010 10:15 GMT
#2616
6th rine making - a more aggressive FD attack?
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
January 17 2010 10:16 GMT
#2617
FD incomming
8==========))
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 17 2010 10:16 GMT
#2618
Movie is 4-1 here. Flash is 3-0 (But all Z opponents.)
CJ Entusman #24
Sigh
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2433 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-17 10:17:01
January 17 2010 10:16 GMT
#2619
Flash pushing out with 6 rines and tank, Movie FE's
nvm he doesnt push out
NaDa/Flash/Thorzain Fan
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 17 2010 10:16 GMT
#2620
On January 17 2010 19:15 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:13 PoP wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:09 KwarK wrote:
Strategically he raped Flash game 1 too. He used the gas steal into proxy elevator rush (see liquipedia) but Flash was too good and scouted it. He then transitioned into hardcore macro play, did a sexy twin observer to get in and see flash's fact count (this was HUGE) and stole Flash's 4th. That is also huge because Flash can always take and hold that base eventually but Movie can do the same with his. They're safe bases. Every mineral Movie mined there was a mineral Flash couldn't.
It was insanely good strategically. He then followed it up with twin forge twin stargate fast arbiter while running his army around pretending to be aggressive. And Flash bought it hook, line and sinker and was a long way behind. If you put a Protoss and Terran player of the same skill in that game at that time it'd be over. It was just Flash was so incredible at dealing with it that Movie couldn't win. Flash blocked recalls with a line of turrets and mines, Movie hallucinates beyond the mines. Flash has to mine everywhere and Movie feints at the main with hallucinations and smashes into the mineral only. Everything Movie did that game was genius. Incredible strategic play. Had it been anyone but Flash they'd have lost it several times over. It is unfortunate to Movie that despite being easily the 3rd best player in the world right now he's thrown against the 1st.


Flash has been playing like a fucking genius there's absolutely no way to deny that. And Movie is showing extremely good preparation, good builds/strategies and excellent decision-making. I agree with you on everything you wrote.

My point is only about the execution thing.

Flash is holding on by execution alone and that's because he's #1 in the world. I don't honestly see how we can hold that against Movie. Worse execution than Flash is not a fair criticism of any player. He's already proven his PvZ is the best in the world and now his PvT is looking scary. The only problem at the moment is his inexperience in big games and his sloppy execution. I can't defend his sloppy execution but I can defend his gameplay as a whole because the rest of it is so damn good.


I wouldn't judge Movie's PvT much by this series: he has his entire team (likely) prepping him for these matches for the past two weeks.
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