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[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 129

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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2561
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


that would be awesome, but i def don't see that happening -_-; flash is a beast
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bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2562
On January 17 2010 19:10 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


Didn't anytime do the same thing?


I think anytime went from 2-0 to 2-2 to 3-2
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2563
On January 17 2010 19:08 Zozma wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:06 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:04 Zozma wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:03 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
movie isnt playing at a finalist... even semifinalist level


LOL?! because he's 0-2? did you watch the games? he showed EXCELLENT preparation so far and great strategies if the opponent had been ANY other terran they would have been down 0-2
Don't say irresponsible things like "any other terran". Believe it or not, there are good Terran players other than Flash.


I'm aware there are other good terrans but give me an example of one that could have held that stuff off and don't say really.
What, because Really could have done it I can't say his name? Along with Fantasy, Leta, Sea[Shield] in proleague, and Hiya who has great TvP...

Movie isn't really doing that great, between nerves and how his play style is naturally pretty sloppy in the first place.


I disagree that any of those people could've outplayed Movie in those games, did you see the massive deficit flash had to come back from in the first game which he beat through his usual incredible defense, no other terran defends as well as flash. NONE. the reason you couldn't say really is because he doesn't respond well to this kind of unorthodox play.
Hi.
MamiyaOtaru
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1687 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2564
On January 17 2010 19:09 meeple wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:07 conTAgi0n wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:04 Smix wrote:
FLASH........MOVIE
205 units made 149
358 avg apm 285
451 highest apm 340
272 lowest apm 209

So Flash's average apm... was higher than Movie's peak apm... Holy shit.

Thanks for those figures btw Smix.


God man Movie stepped it up a bit from last game... but its still really really slow for a progamer

eh, he's toss.

..I keed. sort of. Stork is down around that area as well.
Khul Sadukar
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1735 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2565
Uh oh, flash has his apple juice...
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2566
On January 17 2010 19:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:03 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
movie isnt playing at a finalist... even semifinalist level


LOL?! because he's 0-2? did you watch the games? he showed EXCELLENT preparation so far and great strategies if the opponent had been ANY other terran they would have been down 0-2


No. Nonono.

There's a reason why Movie's vT is ranked 58th in the ELO.

are you serious? movies elo vT has NOTHING to do with his performance in this series so dont even bother pulling random stats to try and prove your point
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2567
On January 17 2010 19:10 O-ops wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


Didn't anytime do the same thing?

Believe.
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O-ops
Profile Joined February 2009
United States4236 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2568
On January 17 2010 19:10 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:03 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
movie isnt playing at a finalist... even semifinalist level


LOL?! because he's 0-2? did you watch the games? he showed EXCELLENT preparation so far and great strategies if the opponent had been ANY other terran they would have been down 0-2


No. Nonono.

There's a reason why Movie's vT is ranked 58th in the ELO.


How many pvt did he play this season? Heck, how many pvt did he play LAST year?

There is a reason why is vT elo is as low as it is.
Fan of the Jangbanger
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2569
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:10 writer22816 wrote:
Why do people keep saying that Leta has good TvP -______-

they love TLPD


TLPD would show Leta has a subpar TvP record. What's your point?
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6111 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2570
On January 17 2010 19:09 PoP wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:06 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:04 Zozma wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:03 d(O.o)a wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:01 Shikyo wrote:
movie isnt playing at a finalist... even semifinalist level


LOL?! because he's 0-2? did you watch the games? he showed EXCELLENT preparation so far and great strategies if the opponent had been ANY other terran they would have been down 0-2
Don't say irresponsible things like "any other terran". Believe it or not, there are good Terran players other than Flash.


I'm aware there are other good terrans but give me an example of one that could have held that stuff off and don't say really.


I think basically any Terran would have stopped the initial rush at least, when you consider the fact Movie left a reaver alone twice outside of turret range and let the DT die before scan too.


Yea Movie couldve killed the building turret with the reaver.

That wouldve delayed Flash so much longer.
#1 Terran hater
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2571
Flash is gonna yawn his way to victory here... gogo
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2572
On January 17 2010 19:11 bearbuddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2010 19:10 O-ops wrote:
On January 17 2010 19:10 konadora wrote:
3-2 Royal Roader (P)Movie Reverse Comeback plz


Didn't anytime do the same thing?


I think anytime went from 2-0 to 2-2 to 3-2


thanks for telling us about the 2-2 part
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2573
SET 3 : EYE OF THE STORM

FLASH @ 11
MOVIE @ 1
( ・´ー・`)
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2574
shit ferron is lagging
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Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 17 2010 10:11 GMT
#2575
On January 17 2010 19:09 KwarK wrote:
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On January 17 2010 19:02 PoP wrote:
On January 17 2010 18:55 KwarK wrote:
On January 17 2010 18:52 PoP wrote:
Terrible terrible execution by Movie in basically everything he attempted.

I disagree. His reaver micro was excellent, remember shuttles have less sight range than tanks have range, often you can't see the shit that kills you. His build was clever and had he not lost his first reaver it would have been devastating. His problem was that as good as he was, Flash was better.


Well, there was absolutely no reason to lose the first reaver. He dropped it behind Flash's mineral line, a good scarab went off and then his shuttle should have gathered it back right away. It didn't and that was quite damn bad to me.

And he shouldn't have lost the DT either. He saw the turret building, he could see the HPs. The shuttle was there. Not as big a deal as the reaver since (I think) scan was on its way but still, it was quite bad.

Also basically every break he attempted was quite poorly executed imo (at least compared to any S-class PvT players like Stork), especially that time when he dropped the reaver/zealots right in the middle of Flash's defensive army and THEN sent his army in. That's again pretty damn bad synchronisation-wise.

Again, nervousness probably isn't helping, but Movie's execution has been quite abysimal these games, imho. (His builds are very good though but it's another story.)

Strategically he raped Flash game 1 too. He used the gas steal into proxy elevator rush (see liquipedia) but Flash was too good and scouted it. He then transitioned into hardcore macro play, did a sexy twin observer to get in and see flash's fact count (this was HUGE) and stole Flash's 4th. That is also huge because Flash can always take and hold that base eventually but Movie can do the same with his. They're safe bases. Every mineral Movie mined there was a mineral Flash couldn't.
It was insanely good strategically. He then followed it up with twin forge twin stargate fast arbiter while running his army around pretending to be aggressive. And Flash bought it hook, line and sinker and was a long way behind. If you put a Protoss and Terran player of the same skill in that game at that time it'd be over. It was just Flash was so incredible at dealing with it that Movie couldn't win. Flash blocked recalls with a line of turrets and mines, Movie hallucinates beyond the mines. Flash has to mine everywhere and Movie feints at the main with hallucinations and smashes into the mineral only. Everything Movie did that game was genius. Incredible strategic play. Had it been anyone but Flash they'd have lost it several times over. It is unfortunate to Movie that despite being easily the 3rd best player in the world right now he's thrown against the 1st.



TY!! For this awesome analysis Kwark!
CJ Entusman #24
Vivi57
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States6599 Posts
January 17 2010 10:12 GMT
#2576
winter

movie had no chance to begin with
Flash hwaiting! Nal_rA forever!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 10:12 GMT
#2577
Flash 10
Movie 2
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 17 2010 10:12 GMT
#2578
please dont let this game end in rape (by flash). i want flash to win both leagues, but i also want entertainment
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10346 Posts
January 17 2010 10:12 GMT
#2579
What the over-under on Jaedong winning 1.5 games vs Flash?
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 17 2010 10:12 GMT
#2580
Yeah we need something good from movie this game..
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