EPT[OSL] EVER 2009 OSL Grand Final - Flash vs Movie - Page 127
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Khul Sadukar
Australia1735 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
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conTAgi0n
United States335 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:04 Smix wrote: FLASH........MOVIE 205 units made 149 358 avg apm 285 451 highest apm 340 272 lowest apm 209 So Flash's average apm... was higher than Movie's peak apm... Holy shit. Thanks for those figures btw Smix. | ||
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:06 d(O.o)a wrote: What, because Really could have done it I can't say his name? Along with Fantasy, Leta, Sea[Shield] in proleague, and Hiya who has great TvP...I'm aware there are other good terrans but give me an example of one that could have held that stuff off and don't say really. Movie isn't really doing that great, between nerves and how his play style is naturally pretty sloppy in the first place. | ||
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integral
United States3156 Posts
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Creationism
China505 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:08 Zozma wrote: What, because Really could have done it I can't say his name? Along with Fantasy, Leta, Sea[Shield] in proleague, and Hiya who has great TvP... Movie isn't really doing that great, between nerves and how his play style is naturally pretty sloppy in the first place. agreed, very good points. | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
 Movie GOOOOOOO | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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ondik
Czech Republic2908 Posts
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Qwertify
United States2531 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:07 Chen wrote: wow, no goon range during first push attempt -.- he had no resources from dt/reaver tech + expo followup | ||
KwarK
United States43609 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:02 PoP wrote: Well, there was absolutely no reason to lose the first reaver. He dropped it behind Flash's mineral line, a good scarab went off and then his shuttle should have gathered it back right away. It didn't and that was quite damn bad to me. And he shouldn't have lost the DT either. He saw the turret building, he could see the HPs. The shuttle was there. Not as big a deal as the reaver since (I think) scan was on its way but still, it was quite bad. Also basically every break he attempted was quite poorly executed imo (at least compared to any S-class PvT players like Stork), especially that time when he dropped the reaver/zealots right in the middle of Flash's defensive army and THEN sent his army in. That's again pretty damn bad synchronisation-wise. Again, nervousness probably isn't helping, but Movie's execution has been quite abysimal these games, imho. (His builds are very good though but it's another story.) Strategically he raped Flash game 1 too. He used the gas steal into proxy elevator rush (see liquipedia) but Flash was too good and scouted it. He then transitioned into hardcore macro play, did a sexy twin observer to get in and see flash's fact count (this was HUGE) and stole Flash's 4th. That is also huge because Flash can always take and hold that base eventually but Movie can do the same with his. They're safe bases. Every mineral Movie mined there was a mineral Flash couldn't. It was insanely good strategically. He then followed it up with twin forge twin stargate fast arbiter while running his army around pretending to be aggressive. And Flash bought it hook, line and sinker and was a long way behind. If you put a Protoss and Terran player of the same skill in that game at that time it'd be over. It was just Flash was so incredible at dealing with it that Movie couldn't win. Flash blocked recalls with a line of turrets and mines, Movie hallucinates beyond the mines. Flash has to mine everywhere and Movie feints at the main with hallucinations and smashes into the mineral only. Everything Movie did that game was genius. Incredible strategic play. Had it been anyone but Flash they'd have lost it several times over. It is unfortunate to Movie that despite being easily the 3rd best player in the world right now he's thrown against the 1st. | ||
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:07 conTAgi0n wrote: So Flash's average apm... was higher than Movie's peak apm... Holy shit. Thanks for those figures btw Smix. God man Movie stepped it up a bit from last game... but its still really really slow for a progamer | ||
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d(O.o)a
Canada5066 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:06 Creationism wrote: doubt that, did you see hiya's play? Remember movie is a rookie, this is high pressure for him. The play he showed wasn't "great play". I think a good way to look at the situation is if STORK had been in flash's base with a reaver/dt/zlots, I'll bet any amount of money he woulda gotten more outta it. So you didn't see Stork get stomped on tornado? Are you going to tell me that game looked any better? Movie has been playing superb. | ||
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KristianJS
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:02 KwarK wrote: He's playing at the level of a victorious finalist in any other starleague. Being given Flash is just bad luck. A pretty sad starleague imo, since his play is so sloppy and lackluster. | ||
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aznhockeyboy16
United States558 Posts
edit: transitioning into a movie win | ||
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PoP
France15446 Posts
On January 17 2010 19:06 d(O.o)a wrote: I'm aware there are other good terrans but give me an example of one that could have held that stuff off and don't say really. I think basically any Terran would have stopped the initial rush at least, when you consider the fact Movie left a reaver alone twice outside of turret range and let the DT die before scan too. | ||
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