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BlueRoyaL
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States2493 Posts
May 31 2006 06:15 GMT
#1
this is a bit weirfd but
i read a post about ArtofTerran using bats vs swarms
ive seen this in many vods and replays too but i've never tried it myself i dun think

how does this exactly work?
do the firebats only take damage from melee units inside the swarm? so basically if there are lurks inside, the lurks cant damage the firebats while the bats can kill off thelurks?

is this a common and very-viable coutner to swarm?

cuz i usually just vessel and kill of the defilers and lurks w/ irridiate
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CyuntiyuL
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada1740 Posts
May 31 2006 06:20 GMT
#2
Umm, lurks still hit in dark swarm. I'm assuming that he used firebats because they do splash damage, which still hits in swarm.
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decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20090 Posts
May 31 2006 06:22 GMT
#3
works okay vs a few lone lurks, but not advisable against a big lurk/ling army
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25990 Posts
May 31 2006 06:24 GMT
#4
On May 31 2006 15:15 [sj]tacticz wrote:
this is a bit weirfd but
i read a post about ArtofTerran using bats vs swarms
ive seen this in many vods and replays too but i've never tried it myself i dun think

how does this exactly work?
do the firebats only take damage from melee units inside the swarm? so basically if there are lurks inside, the lurks cant damage the firebats while the bats can kill off thelurks?

is this a common and very-viable coutner to swarm?

cuz i usually just vessel and kill of the defilers and lurks w/ irridiate


Yea that's exactly how it works. Only Zerglings can hit Firebats in Swarm so Terran runs over Zerg under the Swarm. Try it out!
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QuietIdiot
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
7004 Posts
May 31 2006 06:30 GMT
#5
Only versus a few lurkers...he used this vs july, whos is known for using very little units and sending all his crap in an over-aggressive do or die manuvers. I remember, since artofterran didn't have enough time to make enough tanks or vessels to counter it, he found the shortest time solution and made a quick 12-14 firebats to kill off 5-6 lurkers and 24 zerglings. Requires strong execution/timg and the splash does the most damage when the lurkers are cluttered up in a single hole. TO pull if off, just gotta be fast or your gonna end up losing a shitload of firebats ;P
Boxer[NaMe]
Profile Joined April 2006
26 Posts
May 31 2006 06:30 GMT
#6
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On May 31 2006 15:15 [sj]tacticz wrote:

Yea that's exactly how it works. Only Zerglings can hit Firebats in Swarm so Terran runs over Zerg under the Swarm. Try it out!


Are u being sarcastic or r u dumb? lurks can still hit under swarm so bats are not gunna be very good against a big army.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 31 2006 06:38 GMT
#7
this is my first time but.........O RLY?
Sr18
Profile Joined April 2006
Netherlands1141 Posts
May 31 2006 06:38 GMT
#8
Basically, under swarm your options are limited and Bats > ling and do nicely vs hydra's and low numbers of lurkers. Anything else and it's gg. Best bet versus swarm is 2 port vessel and mass irridiate the defilers before they get to your base, imo.
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MarcX
Profile Joined February 2005
Netherlands772 Posts
May 31 2006 06:45 GMT
#9
Bats do full damage under swarm. Not just splash. Lurkers do full damage under swarm. Just wanted to set this straight.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 31 2006 07:08 GMT
#10
I have seen gosus massing bats and getting vultures with mines when they see swarm but meh, takes too much speed and micro i guess.
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strik.fr
Profile Joined May 2006
France212 Posts
May 31 2006 07:21 GMT
#11
Yeah gosus do it but "in real game" that's just work a bit : if zerg has a too big army and many defiler this meant early u were gonna to lose. And u need to have upgraded firebats.
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rel
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Guam3521 Posts
May 31 2006 07:25 GMT
#12
Uh I'v won plenty of late tvz games vs lurkers in swarm with bats.
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
May 31 2006 07:36 GMT
#13
liar, you never win rel.

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Yogurt
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States4258 Posts
May 31 2006 07:40 GMT
#14
On May 31 2006 15:38 zulu_nation8 wrote:
this is my first time but.........O RLY?


Not bad, but forgot critical execution picture...

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5HITCOMBO
Profile Joined March 2006
Japan2239 Posts
May 31 2006 07:43 GMT
#15
On May 31 2006 15:24 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2006 15:15 [sj]tacticz wrote:
this is a bit weirfd but
i read a post about ArtofTerran using bats vs swarms
ive seen this in many vods and replays too but i've never tried it myself i dun think

how does this exactly work?
do the firebats only take damage from melee units inside the swarm? so basically if there are lurks inside, the lurks cant damage the firebats while the bats can kill off thelurks?

is this a common and very-viable coutner to swarm?

cuz i usually just vessel and kill of the defilers and lurks w/ irridiate


Yea that's exactly how it works. Only Zerglings can hit Firebats in Swarm so Terran runs over Zerg under the Swarm. Try it out!

ROFL
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iloveyou[KTF]
Profile Joined March 2006
Korea (South)113 Posts
May 31 2006 07:55 GMT
#16
since u already need science vessel for detection of lurker ... wouldn't

irradiate defiler + stimmed & shielded firebats be more effective?
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HappyManRun
Profile Joined November 2005
1111 Posts
May 31 2006 08:23 GMT
#17
Heh... stimmed firebats would'vebeen awesome w/ defensive matrix eh? But man you need to matrix all 14 bats that's really intensive micro considering his army gonna rape urs in like 3 seconds :p

I think it's bad idea, all those gas could've used to make vessels and minerals for some mines, works better normally.
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red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
May 31 2006 09:12 GMT
#18
Its basically useful when the T is doing well(With upgrade advantage and has a very solid econ) and the Z is using defiler as an all-in timing strat vs low amounts of vessels...

Or if the T is absolutely crushing the Zerg you can kinda do it to stop the Z from saving an expo with like 2 lurkers under swarm or something.

By all means it is not awesome or something that you should use in an average game. Vultures+Mines are much better as a counter to lurk/ling/defiler imo.
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Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
May 31 2006 09:31 GMT
#19
medic (blind) + cloacked ghosts are still the best combo vs lurkers
imho
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GoaLD50
Profile Joined February 2006
United States41 Posts
May 31 2006 11:37 GMT
#20
On May 31 2006 18:31 Kacas wrote:
medic (blind) + cloacked ghosts are still the best combo vs lurkers
imho


Well, SCVs still hit under swarm, so I advise defensive matrix (cuz you already have vessel) and hit with SCVs. If it gets rough, you can still use the medics until SCV cloaking is done upgrading.
rushz0rz
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Canada5300 Posts
May 31 2006 12:43 GMT
#21
Can someone upload that VOD?
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HappyManRun
Profile Joined November 2005
1111 Posts
May 31 2006 12:47 GMT
#22
On May 31 2006 20:37 GoaLD50 wrote:
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On May 31 2006 18:31 Kacas wrote:
medic (blind) + cloacked ghosts are still the best combo vs lurkers
imho


Well, SCVs still hit under swarm, so I advise defensive matrix (cuz you already have vessel) and hit with SCVs. If it gets rough, you can still use the medics until SCV cloaking is done upgrading.


Since when SCV hit under swarm? I know it seems like they're melee but actually they don't hit. :p

I'd say nuke it. :D
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skyglow1
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
New Zealand3962 Posts
May 31 2006 13:15 GMT
#23
He was kidding
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
Last Edited: 2006-05-31 19:45:45
May 31 2006 19:45 GMT
#24
On May 31 2006 15:15 [sj]tacticz wrote:
this is a bit weirfd but
i read a post about ArtofTerran using bats vs swarms
ive seen this in many vods and replays too but i've never tried it myself i dun think

how does this exactly work?
do the firebats only take damage from melee units inside the swarm? so basically if there are lurks inside, the lurks cant damage the firebats while the bats can kill off thelurks?

is this a common and very-viable coutner to swarm?

cuz i usually just vessel and kill of the defilers and lurks w/ irridiate


Firebats are not affected by swarm and they still get hit by ling/lurk/ultra. They are viable if there are only a very small number of lurkers, otherwise they would be raped badly, so they are usefull are pretty rare situations.
I'll call Nada.
HeavenS
Profile Joined August 2004
Colombia2259 Posts
May 31 2006 22:42 GMT
#25
mines are the answer son
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InToTheWannaB
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4770 Posts
May 31 2006 23:35 GMT
#26
I remember way back in the day Boxer got alot of bats mid game vs Tsu. Who was a Dark swarm whore. Worked pretty well.
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Musli
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
Poland5130 Posts
May 31 2006 23:59 GMT
#27
On June 01 2006 08:35 InToTheWannaB wrote:
I remember way back in the day Boxer got alot of bats mid game vs Tsu. Who was a Dark swarm whore. Worked pretty well.

when u have Boxer-like micro, no problem ~~;
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ShabZzoY!
Profile Joined July 2004
Great Britain760 Posts
June 01 2006 00:37 GMT
#28
i think it is useful to mix a few in just to make sure you arent poweless in the face of small but annoying groups of units
TT1_banned
Profile Joined March 2006
Canada1206 Posts
June 01 2006 01:22 GMT
#29
just do what all progamer terrans do, vulture mine vs lurker and mnm vessel with some group of bats with good ups.
END OF DISCUSSION
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 01 2006 03:21 GMT
#30
On June 01 2006 10:22 TT1 wrote:
END OF DISCUSSION


Na-ah!! I say build battlecruisers!!11oneone. They are immune to lurker/ling and yamato gun does 100% damage under storm. Also u can irradiate them and defence matrix them and hold them over their army. U don't even need dmatrix if he no have scrouge or hydra or muta or spore or devourer.
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~OpZ~
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
United States3652 Posts
June 01 2006 04:12 GMT
#31
On June 01 2006 12:21 CubEdIn[SoD] wrote:
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On June 01 2006 10:22 TT1 wrote:
END OF DISCUSSION


Na-ah!! I say build battlecruisers!!11oneone. They are immune to lurker/ling and yamato gun does 100% damage under storm. Also u can irradiate them and defence matrix them and hold them over their army. U don't even need dmatrix if he no have scrouge or hydra or muta or spore or devourer.


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