i was wondering since it's been badmouthed so recently and i was thinking about trying it recently, what are the counters to it so i feel a little less like a cheap bastard. i'm not sure i want to be abusing the supposedly unbeatable, somehow i doubt that everyone here will tell me it is though. what are all the counters and, it's not just as simple as expanding on a turtler who can't do much to attack you at the moment? why is it such a problem?

Resonate

United Kingdom8402 Posts

May 30 2006 02:33 GMT

storm/goon is good but it generally isn't very cost-effective. As soon as the lurkers are dead you can start using your zealots but if you send them in early they'll just die to spines.

It's still gay though, and really hard to break.

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

May 30 2006 02:36 GMT

I just never fight sunken/lurker/spore and instead play sim city @ my expansions~_~

RaGe

Belgium9949 Posts

May 30 2006 02:37 GMT

It's not always beatable. If he was able to hold you back for a long time with lurkers and he has a bit superior eco, you wont get through his containment easily.

In general, you should harass with stormdrops and expand yourself, and make a goon/storm army if you want to break it. Prepare to fight hive tech.

{ToT}Strafe

Thailand7026 Posts

May 30 2006 02:40 GMT

try to drop his main with reaver dt sair its funny;p usually if he turtles he also has islands dweb is pwnage for that. Make sure when you do this that you turtle a few exps with cannons and reavers. See whos gayer

ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

May 30 2006 02:44 GMT

Arbiter recall ftw

Slayer91

Ireland23335 Posts

May 30 2006 02:49 GMT

Wait wait, you might need obs sight but 1 reaver > sunk spore lurk no? Thoguh you'll need more to get it down faster =p

decafchicken

United States20090 Posts

May 30 2006 03:28 GMT

Carrier/sair

StarOfDust

Sweden163 Posts

May 30 2006 03:51 GMT

hmm, is it really possible to outgay strafe?

NonYold

United States2814 Posts

May 30 2006 03:56 GMT

#10

On May 30 2006 11:40 {ToT}Strafe wrote:
See whos gayer

strafe's bw philosophy in a nutshell

SuperJongMan

Jamaica11586 Posts

May 30 2006 04:08 GMT

#11

I want to re-learn SC from Strafe. ~_~ Art BW Mind.

dream-_-

United States1857 Posts

May 30 2006 05:10 GMT

#12

reaver/sair > this. however the best way to stop this gay style is not give them time to get their expansion up in the first place. aggresive play with dts at all expoes makes it very difficult for z to mass defense. cant mass lurk sunk spore if p is constantly attacking your exp.

CuddlyCuteKitten

Sweden2671 Posts

May 30 2006 05:17 GMT

#13

On May 30 2006 11:44 YoiChiBow wrote:
Arbiter recall ftw

Nyovne

Netherlands19135 Posts

May 30 2006 05:35 GMT

#14

On May 30 2006 12:51 StarOfDust wrote:
hmm, is it really possible to outgay strafe?

No, he's got the spawn gay and the spawn cheese ability. <3

GsOne

Poland164 Posts

May 30 2006 05:37 GMT

#15

I have problems when zerg makes this shit on his expo (securing two geysers) + a smaller version at his natural, then starts massing. I can't take min only expansions as he can take them out sooo easily, so I must take down one of his expo sites to win. It's kinda hard to get right timing to both break the contain, secure expo site and take down his expo site.

Which doesn't mean it's impossible - just punish him for taking the expo and trying to hold you in contain by breaking it and slowing down his expansions (or his main if he fucked up)

CuddlyCuteKitten

Sweden2671 Posts

May 30 2006 06:04 GMT

#16

One thing that I'd love to try if I was protoss is to start sending out hallucinated shuttles late game pvz just to see how many scourges you can get him to waste.
It's only one scourge per shuttle but I imagine it would be pretty annoying for the zerg.

Edit: This is on the topic of gayness.

XythOs

Germany520 Posts

May 30 2006 06:05 GMT

#17

Wouldnt 3-4 reavers do much damage to this?Reavers are expensive, yes but it's not that they are useless once you broke the defense.They do also good damage to Ultra/Crack and they are good to defense expos against swarm/ling.
I'm not a gosu or anything but I would like to hear you oppinions about it.

Cloud

Sexico5880 Posts

May 30 2006 06:32 GMT

#18

Usually zerg will mass defense like this when hes behind, either un upgrades, or tech, (not on exps) and he cant face your army without losing mid game.

That allows you to expo yourself and play a macro game, usually the best macroer, and the smartest guy wins.

I wouldnt recommend attacking his defense unless you were completely certain he hasnt got too many hatcheries or he has a puny army.

GoaLD50

United States41 Posts

May 30 2006 07:46 GMT

#19

Obs range helps out vs spore.

GrandInquisitor

New York City13113 Posts

May 30 2006 09:25 GMT

#20

Why reavers don't work - fucking retarded AI causes them to wander around sometimes, bringing them in sunk range.

sair/reav rapes sunk/lurk/spore though