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EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
May 26 2005 15:40 GMT
#1
I made this build up but i definitely do not claim to be the first person to use it. This should only be used at the 3 or 12 o'clock positions. You start 8 pylon 10 gate 12 gas 14 core 15 pylon. Then make a goon. and a 3rd pylon while you clear the opponets scv and pump probes. Once the scv is gone block your ramp and pump goons while you add a citadel and then archives. When you have 3 goons move 1 probe and one goon over to the other main and start a pylon and nexus. When your archives is done produce one dt and if possible stop any fast tank/marine rush attepts or target vults/mines in case of gundam. If microed properly you should have a fairly large advantage unless he did 2 fact fast dual upded vultures with excellent micro. This is difficult to defend but can be done. Against all other build you WILL be ahead which is what makes this build so great. Use your one dt to delay his expansion as much as possible while you add gates then a 3rd expansion + shuttle. You should also have teched to obs very quickly after establishing your other base in order to clear the map of mines and gain map control. If combined with good scout probe micro this can be a very solid build when you use it in the right situations (ie: whenever you see no fast 2nd fact). Enjoy
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labcoated
Profile Joined May 2005
Canada392 Posts
May 26 2005 15:47 GMT
#2
use paragraphs, e.g.:

"for 12/3 pvt, i like to build a goon to kill scv (while getting 3rd pylon) then go citadel/archives then expo after i hvae 3 goons, make 1 dt (to delay his expo) and then get obs ... adddd gates and a 3rd expansion and shuttle"

oh wait was that all u said? :-( /confused
FroST(TE)
Profile Joined September 2004
United States909 Posts
May 26 2005 15:52 GMT
#3
interesting. but wouldnt this build be behind vs fact/cc?
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EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
May 26 2005 15:54 GMT
#4
paragraphs would require more than a few minutes of typing sorry
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Jim
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden1965 Posts
May 26 2005 16:01 GMT
#5
On May 27 2005 00:52 FroST(TE) wrote:
interesting. but wouldnt this build be behind vs fact/cc?

I think it would. Also its dangerous to transfer probes in the open.
To sup with the mighty ones, one must climb the path of daggers.
max_power
Profile Joined April 2005
Slovakia163 Posts
May 26 2005 16:10 GMT
#6
if terran would fast exp, he probably got more units than u do because of your dt build
EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
May 26 2005 16:44 GMT
#7
On May 27 2005 00:52 FroST(TE) wrote:
interesting. but wouldnt this build be behind vs fact/cc?

Actually it rapes this build perfectly. Like for example with this build i have doubled in score vs players that many would consider good. The dt arrives at the same time their cc lands, you should test it. And the expansion is started faster as well. From here you can take a quick second expansion then mass gates and be in for a huge advantage. The only times i lose with this strat is vs a terran with awesome harass who goes either 3-4 fact and aggresively goes for the weaker expo or who goes 2 fact dropship with excellent control.
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EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
May 26 2005 16:45 GMT
#8
On May 27 2005 01:10 max_power wrote:
if terran would fast exp, he probably got more units than u do because of your dt build

You are 100% wrong, test the build or at least see it in use one time before you make comments like this...
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EchoOfRain
Profile Joined November 2004
United States516 Posts
May 26 2005 16:46 GMT
#9
On May 27 2005 01:01 Jim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2005 00:52 FroST(TE) wrote:
interesting. but wouldnt this build be behind vs fact/cc?

I think it would. Also its dangerous to transfer probes in the open.

Ya this is a difficultie, i usually like to send probes a little early befor ethey can have fully uped vultures active in the map. The time difference isnt significant enough to matter.
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imRadu
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
1798 Posts
May 26 2005 16:56 GMT
#10
*cough gundam cough*
Its really good to see that some people dont let education get in the way of their ignorance
Frits
Profile Joined March 2003
11782 Posts
May 26 2005 17:35 GMT
#11
On May 27 2005 01:56 imRadu wrote:
*cough gundam cough*


Stopped by the dt?

Anyway, I always do a 2 fac opening and adapt to the toss' play, so my 2fac vults would probably destroy your exp.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
May 26 2005 17:44 GMT
#12
On May 27 2005 02:35 Frits wrote:
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On May 27 2005 01:56 imRadu wrote:
*cough gundam cough*


Stopped by the dt?

Anyway, I always do a 2 fac opening and adapt to the toss' play, so my 2fac vults would probably destroy your exp.

Well, gundam does have mines, 1 dt is very likely to die (it will either go after the units, in which case you are free to just run your vults into his main, or it will defend the ramp, in which case you are free to mine it up ; --; I don't like this build
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LastWish
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
2015 Posts
May 26 2005 18:33 GMT
#13
I don't see problem with gundam, drops or fast expand. Real problem is 2 fact vults and I think you will likely lose to this.
Also there is one main flaw in your strategy - you build goon and hunt down scv this may take up some time and your tech will be slow. Also gay terrans tend to use gather command and will scout your tech whatever it takes. Solution to this is to be gay too and proxy the templar tech.
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SoDrunk
Profile Joined September 2004
United Kingdom291 Posts
May 26 2005 18:36 GMT
#14
Everytime someone writes an opening strat someone goes.. AHA.... but this will pwn it. Of course there are counters but its just something he thinks is worthy of trying. Just brings to light more options and variety to players who always u the same standard same way of playing every game imo.
ulti
Profile Joined February 2004
Germany136 Posts
May 26 2005 18:49 GMT
#15
good build, but i really think that it is hard to do a fast maynard slide, even with dt tech. i like to use that build on maps like luna or nostalgia because you don't have a scary cliff (expansion@natural)
nortydog
Profile Joined December 2003
Australia3067 Posts
May 26 2005 19:07 GMT
#16
On May 27 2005 03:49 ulti wrote:
good build, but i really think that it is hard to do a fast maynard slide, even with dt tech. i like to use that build on maps like luna or nostalgia because you don't have a scary cliff (expansion@natural)
yeah this build would be good on nost although dont terrans usually 2 fact vults on that map?
NoCleanFeed.com
pfff
Profile Joined May 2004
Belgium1352 Posts
May 26 2005 19:13 GMT
#17
umm, so many people go 2 fac vults, especially vs 1 goon tech builds, and this build is an automatic loss vs 2 fac vults.
if he uses the scv rally point on mins thingy, he will scout youre dt cuz you only have 1 goon on youre ramp.
i dont like this build at all.
It ain’t no sin to be glad you’re alive
VdP]EpiphaNy
Profile Joined March 2004
United Kingdom992 Posts
May 26 2005 19:17 GMT
#18
very interesting, thanks for posting EchoOfRain
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
May 26 2005 19:22 GMT
#19
i've been pretty much using this opening every serious pvt game for about 4 years ;p
2 fact vults not that hard to stop. get range before citadel, robo/obba after expo is up. you can even cannon after the dts if you're that scared, you should still be ahead in the macro war.
DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
May 26 2005 19:23 GMT
#20
but yea, i'm not saying this is an unbeatable build or anything, just fun to do and pretty strong if you have experience with it and know wat ur doing -.-;;
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