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dRaW
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KameZerg
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evilfatsh1t
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puppykiller
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dRaW
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On May 17 2014 06:56 ICanFlyLow wrote: What units works best for zerg against a Zealot, HT, Archon and Reaver composition? use broodling with queens on HT and finish them off with guardians | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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likewise, its unlikely the zerg would have enough hydras to surround the army and kill them. zerglings and ultralisks wont do the job even with a surround because reavers still rip everything. | ||
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Ty2
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Birdie
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On May 20 2014 09:57 Ty2 wrote: does anyone have a good 2 hatch hydra build order vs. a fast expanding terran? I think I saw Jaedong do it once and he won. 2hatch is really weak, 3 or 4h is much stronger. | ||
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nekotrap
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Have a diverse mix of ground units, always have defilers. It's up to you and the situation which units you want to be more heavy on, cracklings, hydras, lurkers, ultras all have their uses against protoss. If you are in a favourable position to engage and you can get a decent surround, a-move your stuff and swarm around where his archons are, try not to swarm ontop of the reavers but near them, target fire the reavers asap with any units nearby, having some hydras is definitely helpful for this, because they were plagued, they are squishy and should go down quickly. Plagued zealots should also melt pretty quickly, archons do very little damage to things underneath swarm. Dodge storms when you can, even with ultras. If you have lurkers in the mix, try to burrow them in the swarm, or if not just anywhere behind your front line. You want at least 2 defilers worth of swarms (4) which should be enough to cover the surface area of his archons for your ultras and lings and etc. If he falls back, he loses his reavers. If you want to chase, make sure you can swarm his archons again. | ||
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fearthequeen
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On May 20 2014 14:18 Birdie wrote: 2hatch is really weak, 3 or 4h is much stronger. Actually there is a 2 hatch hydra (not lurker) timing vs rax CC terran. @ ty2 its hard to give a build order for it though because its success relies heavily on deception and how long their scv is in your main. I can say when I've won with it I open overpool and make 4-6 lings to deny scouting (4 is ideal) and then droning as much as possible before taking your gas (dont remember total drones needed, I'd guess 14 while managing # drones on gas so you dont overmine gas). Get hydra speed first and look for earliest opportunity to bust bunker (10-12 hydras) Of course if any secondary scv scout sees hydras rallying across the map they will just make 2nd/3rd bunkers and be ready to repair and you will be way behind. | ||
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dRaW
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On May 17 2014 20:35 evilfatsh1t wrote: the likelihood of someone having guardians against protoss lategame is almost nil, especially if protoss had enough bases and freedom to amass such a gas heavy army. likewise, its unlikely the zerg would have enough hydras to surround the army and kill them. zerglings and ultralisks wont do the job even with a surround because reavers still rip everything. he asked what units counter, not what situations you are in edit: guardians on FS i can guarantee will occur in 90% or more ZvPs when the toss showed no signs of corsair use or lost a bunch early, reason? guardians are very abusive on the central and natural expo locations. | ||
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ninazerg
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Shock710
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evilfatsh1t
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On May 21 2014 23:16 dRaW wrote: he asked what units counter, not what situations you are in edit: guardians on FS i can guarantee will occur in 90% or more ZvPs when the toss showed no signs of corsair use or lost a bunch early, reason? guardians are very abusive on the central and natural expo locations. ok so if he asked "how do you deal with a goliath, tank, battlecruiser army" are you gonna suggest to him mass ghosts with lockdown? whats the point of answering his question if the answer is stupid and impractical. theres a good reason why guardians are rarely seen in pro games where protoss has a lot of gas; if he can get enough gas for that kind of army hes also got enough gas for a couple corsairs. obviously the common iccup player isnt any pro, but you should assume the opponent knows what theyre doing | ||
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ninazerg
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On May 22 2014 22:43 evilfatsh1t wrote: ok so if he asked "how do you deal with a goliath, tank, battlecruiser army" are you gonna suggest to him mass ghosts with lockdown? whats the point of answering his question if the answer is stupid and impractical. theres a good reason why guardians are rarely seen in pro games where protoss has a lot of gas; if he can get enough gas for that kind of army hes also got enough gas for a couple corsairs. obviously the common iccup player isnt any pro, but you should assume the opponent knows what theyre doing I don't know what you're on about, there are plenty of games with guardians. Also, you couldn't kill a goliath/tank/battlecruiser army with just ghosts because you'd need enough DPS to kill them before they escape from their bubble, so you'd have to double nuke their force. Actually, the real counter is mass battlecruisers, like have way more battlecruisers than they do so you can just roll over their force. | ||
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Cryoc
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fearthequeen
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On May 25 2014 22:42 Cryoc wrote: Does any of the better players know, why pros in TvZ always go 17 CC after 2nd depot, even if they scout the opponents 12 hatch on the first try? Why aren't they building the CC before the 2nd depot? Both builds require a pause regarding SCV production so that shouldn't be the reason. I can only speculate that they don't want to cut any marines so they have to opportunity to pull scvs and bunker the zerg natural if they see zerg pool is late or zerg isn't saving any larva for lings. | ||
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fearthequeen
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