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koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
August 31 2004 01:11 GMT
#21
On August 31 2004 06:14 FrozenArbiter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2004 08:39 koehli wrote:
FA, I thought patrol has the fastest reaction time?? Might be wrong though...

I thought patrol meant they will freeze (a lot)-.-
They freeze alot more with attack than with hold btw :O


actually it's useful to get into the custom of using the stop command ALOT with patrol, like before every move :/ ......
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
August 31 2004 01:25 GMT
#22
I prefer move and attack in the direction of the escape route, allthough not all of them are shooting then as some might be out of range ;o
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koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
August 31 2004 01:48 GMT
#23
Well to be honest I mostly use move and attack, too, as it's my standard technique for moving my troops and switching techniques is too much for my tiny brain, especially when I'm stressed. I find it quite difficult to pull off vs speed zealots though, one of the occasions where the faster patrol reaction time makes a real difference i guess....
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
SpiriT-DemoN-
Profile Joined January 2003
United States684 Posts
August 31 2004 02:01 GMT
#24
hold does freeze less but at the same time it also takes a second to attack.. so if you mess up they hit you
An eye for an eye only makes the whole world blind - Gandhi
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
August 31 2004 02:09 GMT
#25
On August 31 2004 10:25 iD.Twisted wrote:
I prefer move and attack in the direction of the escape route, allthough not all of them are shooting then as some might be out of range ;o


I do the same. If one is out of range (and you only have like 4, so one not shooting makes a difference), just make it move towards the other troops individually...
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
August 31 2004 03:22 GMT
#26
I do attack behind goons (opposite direction the enemy is) and then when you see the goon rdy to shoot.. move him back and repeat.... sometimes some goons will not shoot.... but you can save your goons from freezing a lot more
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Sw1tCh
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2005 Posts
August 31 2004 05:39 GMT
#27
On August 31 2004 11:09 Orome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 31 2004 10:25 iD.Twisted wrote:
I prefer move and attack in the direction of the escape route, allthough not all of them are shooting then as some might be out of range ;o


I do the same. If one is out of range (and you only have like 4, so one not shooting makes a difference), just make it move towards the other troops individually...


exactly what i do
Improvement
Profile Joined March 2003
203 Posts
August 31 2004 10:44 GMT
#28
On August 31 2004 10:48 koehli wrote:
Well to be honest I mostly use move and attack, too, as it's my standard technique for moving my troops and switching techniques is too much for my tiny brain, especially when I'm stressed. I find it quite difficult to pull off vs speed zealots though, one of the occasions where the faster patrol reaction time makes a real difference i guess....

i can't really imagine that patrol has a faster reaction time... :O

i usually use move + attack in the direction i want my goons to move, or sometimes move + manual attack on the enemy's units (i dont use right click here,but a + select unit as a misclick can really cause things to fuck up once your goons start to move in the direction of the enemies without shooting ^^)
Hmm
MiniRoman
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada3953 Posts
August 31 2004 11:44 GMT
#29
It just comes with experience. Do it 1000 times and you will know exactly how far a goon can shoot.

Same when making a judgement call of reaver harass vs tank !
Nak Allstar.
STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
August 31 2004 23:27 GMT
#30
try http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=16048 to figure out what serves you best with goons, there's 2 good goon micro levels
fenixdown
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Colombia320 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-09-01 06:49:41
September 01 2004 06:49 GMT
#31
has i read before, move and attack in the escape direction. When I use hold and the enemy is coming my goons freeze! that sucks :S If u move and attack, any enemy that get closer to them is targeted and no freeze-shit happen
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koehli
Profile Joined January 2004
Germany350 Posts
September 02 2004 00:14 GMT
#32
On September 01 2004 15:49 fenixdown wrote:
has i read before, move and attack in the escape direction. When I use hold and the enemy is coming my goons freeze! that sucks :S If u move and attack, any enemy that get closer to them is targeted and no freeze-shit happen


Only if you are slow enough. You can freeze goons with any command sequence , as long as you're typing them fast enough .... Let me guess you are below 150 APM ;-)
You go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you might want or wish to have at a later time.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
September 02 2004 05:20 GMT
#33
I use move+patrol... I guess it has to do what you are used to. However I have my units hotkeyed from 1-X so I guess it's not really the ultimate solution. I might add that I'm mainly a zerg user and thats why I dont bother to change to units 0-X, at least not for now.
I dont notice so much freeze as I consider it a problem.
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hasuwar
Profile Joined April 2003
7365 Posts
September 02 2004 06:36 GMT
#34
hold pos and move is the only way anyone should try to micro goons, anyway else is useless and too much work
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