nope:D

if terran
emp if he's making many, vultures if he's not. actually terran really doesn't struggle with archons, they're just good for the p if he has a gas:mineral ratio of 3:1 or above.

tons of archons as zerg is actually somewhat of a bitch though.
hydra+ensnare gotta be the best counter though

SinJiTerran

Korea (South)42 Posts

May 01 2004 11:41 GMT

#24

make mass devorer and GG

feverinlove

United States49 Posts

May 01 2004 14:39 GMT

#25

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SpuniasauR

Australia1500 Posts

May 01 2004 21:18 GMT

#26

omg 1-2 people being dicks is enough. the rest of the thread degenerates. and say thx+ <3 to stimey for his advice

honestly... mass archon ^^ its like in warcraft a guy asks "how u beat mass mountain giant" ummmmm U SHOULDNT HAVE TO FACE MASS MOUNTAIN GIANT, EVERRRR!

so yeh, i dont call 3-4 archons mass, more like 15 or something. then omfg ur opponent is playing with u and is not taking u seriously, his next wave will be mass probes.

JoeUser

United States684 Posts

May 02 2004 10:42 GMT

#27

Dude, that's another good question! What is the counter to mass probes?

dronebabo

10866 Posts

May 02 2004 11:04 GMT

#28

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z7-TranCe

Canada3158 Posts

May 02 2004 15:40 GMT

#29

On April 30 2004 15:32 FloOfy wrote:
Ya plague very good strategy, you could also spawn broodling or lockdown them. Feeddback and maelstrom are also very good. But the real best way to kill them is with mines. Irradiate also work wonders.
You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix!

Liquid`Drone

Norway28727 Posts

May 02 2004 18:41 GMT

#30

spuniasaur someone getting ~12 archons lategame pvz isn't particulary rare or weird. just means they did a good job harvesting gas.

FreeZEternal

Korea (South)3396 Posts

May 02 2004 21:07 GMT

#31

goons, hydra, vultures;

JoeUser

United States684 Posts

May 02 2004 22:01 GMT

#32

Seriously, PvP the best counter to archons is goons. Goons >> Archons in a strait fight. Just do a little dancing and you will come out on top undoubtably.

Twisted

Netherlands13554 Posts

May 02 2004 22:03 GMT

#33

On May 03 2004 03:41 Liquid`Drone wrote:
spuniasaur someone getting ~12 archons lategame pvz isn't particulary rare or weird. just means they did a good job harvesting gas.

...and not wasting their archons.

mrmin123

Korea (South)2971 Posts

May 03 2004 13:42 GMT

#34

I guess there was a bit of misunderstanding there... I didn't mean mass archons as in 2 full groups or so - maybe between 10-12 with additional support

unless of course that is 'mass' to you as well, and is 'your opponent not taking you seriously.' *shrug*

but yea. thanks for the input again. :|

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

May 03 2004 14:59 GMT

#35

u cant react to him getting archons. he gets archons to anticipate what ur doing, or its all he can afford. if u see archons obviously ur not gonna make more mutas or something with intent on attacking the archons with them. so what else does zerg have.. drones? no. sunkens? well zeal/archon should be very good against sunkens by themselves, depends on if u are in a situation to piss minerals away to help your troops to keep him away. zerglings not really ideal i guess. hydras have a chance if microd, depends on numbers. probably better off to have some lurkers to punish any zealotry. hive tech.. um. if u got guardians they're probably on his cliff or something, which forces him to get a shuttle and load his archons up there. defilers arent so useful against archons so their usefulness would be off topic. queens.. i guess ensnare is cool, never really tried but but queens are way cheaper than they used to be so it might be viable, i think drone already said this. spores not so good. .um. i think thats it for zerg units... to summarize, i think.. against lots of archons and zeals.. u can have hydras in front, trying to avoid getting hit too much, lurkers underneath them, not getting hit, but hurting zeals trying to hit your hydras. hydras focus firing on archons that are within range but not running out into zeals away from lurks to get them too much. and if u want more minerals spent in this situation, sunkens can be behind the hydras too, at least dont let him get full surface on the sunks. put a hurting on him. have lords so u can kill any observer with the hydra. maybe u dont need so many hdyra just sunk lurk and kill the obs. i think those are the only option, besides ensnare.. so it shouldnt be too hard to figure out the answer to the question you should be asking.

what more can u say about archons. thats zvp. pvp and tvp archons deserve no discussion at all right? they make archons to try to help draw tank fire or because they have so much vespene they are building gates just to piss it on you.

Countdown

1217 Posts

May 04 2004 01:10 GMT

#36

archons are very important in PvP if both toss go zeo/temp

Ack1027

United States7873 Posts

May 04 2004 09:26 GMT

#37

Lmfao this reminds of a rep I have where it's

1v1 hydra archon both with full health. And the Hydra still wins. If only I could remember what the replay name was >=(

Edit: Wait, I think it's 1.10 so it wouldn't work anyway.

Y2cows

United States1 Post

May 06 2004 13:43 GMT

#38

On April 30 2004 09:47 SillyCat wrote:
another great strategy is to build defilers with zerg and PLAGUE them!

archons have 10 hp and 300 shields

plague will do nothing

t emp and anything
p goon range micro
z nothing your screwed