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Counter(s) to archons?
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mrmin123
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Carnac
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XaI)CyRiC
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0x64
Finland4600 Posts
 .terran with emp and vults. protoss, with goon but this depends so much on the situation, archons are good low mineral units. | ||
Twisted
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SillyCat
United States960 Posts
At least a 3:1 ratio. Or mass Red ones, and mind control all of them. This is of course is if your opponent is dumb enough to use his MASS ARCHON STRATEGY. | ||
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FreeZEternal
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Countdown
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SillyCat
United States960 Posts
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AutumnLight
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SillyCat
United States960 Posts
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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FloOfy
Canada57 Posts
You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix! | ||
Rekrul
Korea (South)17174 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
Usually units with concussive damage (IE Vults) suck vs large units, but shields take full damage from everything. So basically goons, vults, tanks, and hydras. | ||
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
u shouldnt b asking questicons like this, don't wonder what the proper counter to something is, especially "mass archons". u should be playing your own game and if it's weak against "mass archons" then u probably have 1-2 other options you can see after reviewing the game and that's that. no need to "wonder" what races can do against "mass archons" -- the best way to find out is to try it and see, assuming you can play the race. when i want to see how a cheese can lose, for instance, i try to do it a lot. at first, i lose because i can't execute it properly. but soon, i work out those quirks, and the cheese catches some people off guard. i check out the replay and see what they did, and find the explanation for their loss. eventually i find things that don't lose to the cheese, and then i can watch the rep, and find out why. eventually i can see a clear line drawn between "loses to N" and "doesn't lose to N", and positions and micro can effect these of course. but "mass archons" is a midgame thing, not a cheese, u should say. well that's an even bigger point. your midgame depends on what happened already, which depends on what happened already, etc. so when u talk about "mass archon" it really depends on the situation you and your opponent are in, which techs you got first, how many bases you both have and when, if either of you lost some workers or should have lost workers or should have been killed already etc. etc. etc. so dont think about countering mass archons, or what might counter them. some things are hard to use by themselves against archons, and the rest aren't. archons do lots of dmg (kind of like a dt) but they have a bit of range, can hit air, and splash. in many situations you can kill them while they're morphing or pick off high temps before they can merge. you can move back and forth with muta and archon shouldnt catch you because of ground obstructions. archon can defend something that can shoot farther than a muta and force muta to move away from wherever archon moves to, and can provide high dmg (high dmg is effective against high armor like ultra) similar to a dt but farther and also vs air and there is also some splash. it's still 350 shields, full dmg from all. high dmg also attracts ai targetting. um. so there shouldnt be an answer to the question because the question is weird. mass archon is not a good strat, and you wont need a good strat vs it to beat it. | ||
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MannerLess_
Brazil535 Posts
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Dang-it
United States557 Posts
On April 30 2004 15:32 FloOfy wrote: Ya plague very good strategy, you could also spawn broodling or lockdown them. Feeddback and maelstrom are also very good. But the real best way to kill them is with mines. Irradiate also work wonders. You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix! you can lock down archons? ~_~_~_~_~_~_~ | ||
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Fedaykin
Netherlands2003 Posts
You can't notice that was sarcasm?  | ||
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
if terran emp if he's making many, vultures if he's not. actually terran really doesn't struggle with archons, they're just good for the p if he has a gas:mineral ratio of 3:1 or above. tons of archons as zerg is actually somewhat of a bitch though. hydra+ensnare gotta be the best counter though | ||
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SinJiTerran
Korea (South)42 Posts
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feverinlove
United States49 Posts
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SpuniasauR
Australia1500 Posts
honestly... mass archon ^^ its like in warcraft a guy asks "how u beat mass mountain giant" ummmmm U SHOULDNT HAVE TO FACE MASS MOUNTAIN GIANT, EVERRRR! so yeh, i dont call 3-4 archons mass, more like 15 or something. then omfg ur opponent is playing with u and is not taking u seriously, his next wave will be mass probes. | ||
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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dronebabo
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
On April 30 2004 15:32 FloOfy wrote: Ya plague very good strategy, you could also spawn broodling or lockdown them. Feeddback and maelstrom are also very good. But the real best way to kill them is with mines. Irradiate also work wonders. You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix! | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28727 Posts
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FreeZEternal
Korea (South)3396 Posts
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 03 2004 03:41 Liquid`Drone wrote: spuniasaur someone getting ~12 archons lategame pvz isn't particulary rare or weird. just means they did a good job harvesting gas. ...and not wasting their archons. | ||
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mrmin123
Korea (South)2971 Posts
unless of course that is 'mass' to you as well, and is 'your opponent not taking you seriously.' *shrug* but yea. thanks for the input again. :| | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
what more can u say about archons. thats zvp. pvp and tvp archons deserve no discussion at all right? they make archons to try to help draw tank fire or because they have so much vespene they are building gates just to piss it on you. | ||
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Countdown
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Ack1027
United States7873 Posts
1v1 hydra archon both with full health. And the Hydra still wins. If only I could remember what the replay name was >=( Edit: Wait, I think it's 1.10 so it wouldn't work anyway. | ||
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Y2cows
United States1 Post
On April 30 2004 09:47 SillyCat wrote: another great strategy is to build defilers with zerg and PLAGUE them! archons have 10 hp and 300 shields plague will do nothing t emp and anything p goon range micro z nothing your screwed | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 06 2004 22:43 Y2cows wrote: archons have 10 hp and 300 shields plague will do nothing I forgive you since you only have 1 post. | ||
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JoeUser
United States684 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On April 30 2004 15:32 FloOfy wrote: Ya plague very good strategy, you could also spawn broodling or lockdown them. Feeddback and maelstrom are also very good. But the real best way to kill them is with mines. Irradiate also work wonders. You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix! HAahah That was actually funny :D | ||
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iD.Surv
Belgium827 Posts
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On May 07 2004 06:58 JoeUser wrote: Yea, he was joking... No he wasn't. | ||
mensrea
Canada5062 Posts
On April 30 2004 15:32 FloOfy wrote: Ya plague very good strategy, you could also spawn broodling or lockdown them. Feeddback and maelstrom are also very good. But the real best way to kill them is with mines. Irradiate also work wonders. You could also consume them with a defiler or even use the terran's most dangerous spell: Defence matrix! LOOOOOOL | ||
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