EPTCan someone give me some insight into playing proper one base zvt as well as point me into the direction of some good replays of one base zvt
One Base ZvT
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SoMuchBetter
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Can someone give me some insight into playing proper one base zvt as well as point me into the direction of some good replays of one base zvt | ||
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Commander{+}
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
On March 12 2004 23:00 SoMuchBetter wrote: Whenever i open with something that isnt a fast expansion i always die. I guess i should have named this topic something like 12/3 one base zvt weird, i'm like exactly the opposite :D | ||
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Klogon
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red.venom
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However on non-LT I find it a bit easier to play one base. Maps like Enter the Dragon make starting with fast expo very hard and completely different playstyles become possible to make effecient due to the difficulty your opponent will also have expanding and defending their expansion. For playing one hatch on Lost Temple I find it best to find an open spot where you are safe BEFORE your lurkers morph to put up your first expansion hatchery. Then make sure to keep good gas macro and be safe with your units while amassing some drones. Many players like to switch to Muta, I find it moderately successful though vs a good player it's more of an annoyance that is centered around making them feel uneasy and taking advantage of open spots in defenses and giving you the ability to pick off Science Vessel while using small lurker forces to discourage large amounts of marine/medic. You can also try to play 2Hat in main. This is not nearly as hard as playing one hatch, because if you make enough drones early on(Perhaps use a few of the first 4-6 post-pool larvae to make drones instead of lings because you need to drone up early so you can make nonstop lings/lurker/muta later) and go for the early game ender. I actually like burrow alot in this situation as I find it confuses most mid-level Terrans and can discourage even very good T's to play cautiously. Giving you opportunities to expand and maybe go straight into a power strat like Ling/Lurker/Defiler while expanding and perhaps using scourge to stop drops and pick off Science Vessels, because late game mass SV is always a huge threat. | ||
ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
pool/gas lair lurker aspect exp when you have moneys so you still get lurkers on time if you caught the siva vs boxer match i think siva does a pretty similar build. | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
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ToKoreaWithLove
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Ofcourse, the difference is not that big so you should get away with it on lower levels -_- | ||
Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
anyway, maybe what is a good 1 base build, is 12 hatch on choke, 11 gas, 10 pool. Pump some drone, make sunk on choke, ling if you're feeling insecure (but you shouldn't as all zergs should scout with their 9th drone), then get lair, and hydra den. Research drop first, then lurker aspect, you should be able to do that because you did gas really fast. After that get OL speed, and you got a pretty fast lurk drop. Then expand while you cover it with lurker or something ;o Oh and get your hydra den at creep of that 2nd hatch, he'll most likely scan your main, see just a lair, but no spire/den. A lot of terrans assume you're going muta then ;o | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
also say i open with a 9pool and it does next to no damage, how to i continue from that point? | ||
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ObsoleteLogic
United States3676 Posts
Then you have to be very careful with your sunk positioning. p2h isn't a very zerg-friendly map. | ||
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x[ReaPeR]x
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
On March 13 2004 07:29 SoMuchBetter wrote: do you suggest fast expanding on maps like p2h? also say i open with a 9pool and it does next to no damage, how to i continue from that point? On p2h I suggest pool first, then 2nd hatch at crossroads, and 3rd hatch at expand. Then either muta or lurkerdrop so you can take islands. If you're 9 pooling, don't waste your lings trying to kill him. Just see what he has, if he has like 5 scv and 2 rine on his choke, don't bother, and make a sunk asap at your 2nd hatch, because you don't want to waste larva on more lings. If he only has 1 rine, kill the 5 scv anyway. 5 scv make a lot of difference in his eco. Most likely you'll be able to kill rines after that too :p 9 pool basically means you're 3 hatching, but when he's teching, I'd go 2nd hatch, and gas relatively fast. You need a lair fast vs cliffdrop or whatever gayness he might throw at you. Sacrificing a lord to see his tech also comes in handy, like when he's getting 2 port wraith, it's convenient to build a spore at each of your mineral lines. They don't cost that much, and he can't do jackshit with his wraiths then. If you do that, you can still power some drones, and build muta later (even if your spire is already completed). If he's building wraith btw, get OL speed too. Anyway, if he's not teching, just do your 9 pool (9/9 pool, 8/9 drone, 9/9 extractor trick into 10/9 drone, then lord, then 6 ling when lord+pool finishes. With exact timing the lord finishes at the same time as when the pool finishes). After that get your hatch at 13/17, and your 3rd hatch at 15/17, while building drones. Get a sunken at your 2nd hatch, and pump drones. Get gas around 18/18, and lair after, and keep track of his tech/amount of rines. Then just continue with whatever you want to tech. | ||
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
you expo, terran bunker rushes, you lose your expo. Is there anything you can do that doesnt result in typing enter, g, g, enter, alt +q, q? | ||
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Twisted
Netherlands13554 Posts
 Then it all depends on first battle. If you win that with overwhelming numbers, you can win again~ | ||
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hasuwar
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Replay | ||
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