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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 12 2004 12:27 GMT
#1
Hi, my name is SoMuchBetter and I suck at one base zvt.

Can someone give me some insight into playing proper one base zvt as well as point me into the direction of some good replays of one base zvt
AUSSIESCUM
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Commander{+}
Profile Joined December 2002
United States2878 Posts
March 12 2004 12:58 GMT
#2
No one can one base zvt, unless its a 1 hatch lurk and you quickly take additional expoes. Do you wanna know a 1 hatch lurk build or something?
4 cheers for Ryan307
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 12 2004 14:00 GMT
#3
Whenever i open with something that isnt a fast expansion i always die. I guess i should have named this topic something like 12/3 one base zvt
AUSSIESCUM
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Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
March 12 2004 14:09 GMT
#4
I've sometimes been successful early game with 2 hatch one base muta/ling. Harder on better players and if you screw up (expo too late or micro mistake), you are dead.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-12 14:59:49
March 12 2004 14:58 GMT
#5
also i always just die on maps like plains to hills where fast expo isnt the best choice to make
AUSSIESCUM
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Profile Joined August 2003
Canada6140 Posts
March 12 2004 15:06 GMT
#6
ilnp is the master, i hope he responds D;
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
March 12 2004 15:07 GMT
#7
Somuchbetter, responding to your "subliminal" message, yes.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 12 2004 15:10 GMT
#8
then give me mod status also...
AUSSIESCUM
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DevAzTaYtA
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Oman2005 Posts
March 12 2004 15:28 GMT
#9
On March 12 2004 23:00 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Whenever i open with something that isnt a fast expansion i always die. I guess i should have named this topic something like 12/3 one base zvt


weird, i'm like exactly the opposite :D
Klogon
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
MURICA15980 Posts
March 12 2004 15:33 GMT
#10
Yeah, on 12/3 bases, if I don't do some kind of 1 base strat, I usually get rushed hard.
red.venom
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4651 Posts
March 12 2004 17:24 GMT
#11
Well LT is not a very good one base map due to the ease of taking expansions... If you play one base and end up not increasing your expansions/econ then your opponent will easily play conservatively while expanding themselves and overpowering you.

However on non-LT I find it a bit easier to play one base. Maps like Enter the Dragon make starting with fast expo very hard and completely different playstyles become possible to make effecient due to the difficulty your opponent will also have expanding and defending their expansion.

For playing one hatch on Lost Temple I find it best to find an open spot where you are safe BEFORE your lurkers morph to put up your first expansion hatchery. Then make sure to keep good gas macro and be safe with your units while amassing some drones. Many players like to switch to Muta, I find it moderately successful though vs a good player it's more of an annoyance that is centered around making them feel uneasy and taking advantage of open spots in defenses and giving you the ability to pick off Science Vessel while using small lurker forces to discourage large amounts of marine/medic.

You can also try to play 2Hat in main. This is not nearly as hard as playing one hatch, because if you make enough drones early on(Perhaps use a few of the first 4-6 post-pool larvae to make drones instead of lings because you need to drone up early so you can make nonstop lings/lurker/muta later) and go for the early game ender. I actually like burrow alot in this situation as I find it confuses most mid-level Terrans and can discourage even very good T's to play cautiously. Giving you opportunities to expand and maybe go straight into a power strat like Ling/Lurker/Defiler while expanding and perhaps using scourge to stop drops and pick off Science Vessels, because late game mass SV is always a huge threat.
Broom
ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 12 2004 17:52 GMT
#12
the build is something like

pool/gas
lair
lurker aspect
exp when you have moneys so you still get lurkers on time

if you caught the siva vs boxer match i think siva does a pretty similar build.
ModeratorFather of bunnies
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 12 2004 18:54 GMT
#13
one base doesnt mean one hatch btw
AUSSIESCUM
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 12 2004 19:39 GMT
#14
well you need lurkers midgame anyway so that leaves you with one choice really.
ModeratorFather of bunnies
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
March 12 2004 19:53 GMT
#15
so if i one base i have to do some sort of one hatch build ? -_-
AUSSIESCUM
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ToKoreaWithLove
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Norway10161 Posts
March 12 2004 20:06 GMT
#16
No you can do 2 hatch lurker / ling just fine, but then you are at a disadventage at some point - you will have to exp just as your lurkers hatch.

Ofcourse, the difference is not that big so you should get away with it on lower levels -_-
ModeratorFather of bunnies
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
March 12 2004 21:24 GMT
#17
Why do you want to 1 base? :|

anyway, maybe what is a good 1 base build, is 12 hatch on choke, 11 gas, 10 pool. Pump some drone, make sunk on choke, ling if you're feeling insecure (but you shouldn't as all zergs should scout with their 9th drone), then get lair, and hydra den. Research drop first, then lurker aspect, you should be able to do that because you did gas really fast. After that get OL speed, and you got a pretty fast lurk drop. Then expand while you cover it with lurker or something ;o

Oh and get your hydra den at creep of that 2nd hatch, he'll most likely scan your main, see just a lair, but no spire/den. A lot of terrans assume you're going muta then ;o
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SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-03-12 22:31:13
March 12 2004 22:29 GMT
#18
do you suggest fast expanding on maps like p2h?

also say i open with a 9pool and it does next to no damage, how to i continue from that point?
AUSSIESCUM
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ObsoleteLogic
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3676 Posts
March 12 2004 23:29 GMT
#19
p2h I'd recommend a 3 hatch build, with your 2nd hatch in the crossroads (:

Then you have to be very careful with your sunk positioning. p2h isn't a very zerg-friendly map.
sMi.Silent // Siz)Silent
b0ncher
Profile Joined October 2003
52 Posts
March 13 2004 00:33 GMT
#20
Watch the nada vs chojja VOD on p2h for an example of where NOT to put your sunken
If Garimto gets that excited, EVERYONE needs to get excited. --mensrea
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