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Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 08:32:36
December 28 2009 08:30 GMT
#21
It also helps when Toss likes to proxy gateways and stuff in your base... the cheese never ends

(probe disappears on the minimap within your base and never comes back out is always good times)

Or the shuttle with the high templar that just sniped all your worker units

Need them A.D.D. skills!!
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
December 28 2009 08:35 GMT
#22
Put a piece of paper covering your entire screen, except for the portion the mini map is on. Play 50 games like this and you'll eventually learn to use the mini map. This is how I learned. Go hard or go home.
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 28 2009 11:01 GMT
#23
erm you shouldn't have to "force" yourself to look at it.
Its not like minimap doesnt help you but you should look at it anyway.

Just sit down and think about the minimap and why it is great to have.
What advantages it brings and how you could improve using the minimap.
(incomping dropships, oppo units in general)(Maybe also use Shift+Tab)

Once you realise that the minimap can really help you, you will look at it yourself.
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UFO
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
582 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 11:54:25
December 28 2009 11:44 GMT
#24
Yes there are many techniques and more , there are many valuable techniques that let you rapidly make improvement, one that is a lot faster than standard and common one.

Propably noone here will tell you about them . You discover them. Take all your life experience, all the skill and knowledge and combination of thereof that u already have ( and that u can gain by asking others ) - and use them to create this techniques if that is your concious decision.

Example ?

What do u think would help you develop the technique ? Maybe something u know about beliefs ?

If u will convince yourself, be it by words , images or anything you will come up with , that u will focus all your attention that is necesarry on the minimap - you will be able to sustain this focus on minimap a lot better through game - thus you will be able to learn it a lot faster.

That is 1 technique, some people use it without even realizing - it is just to use your focus to summon all your motivation , energy and skill into achieving the goal u want. It is really efficient, so many fail to do this , they go about stuff unconciously and miss so much vital things.

Another would be to create a habit - a habit of telling urself to look at the minimap - tell yourself to look at the minimap constantly, all the time - and focus out of it only when necessary - when u need to move drones / micro mutas / cast storm etc

These are just examples and to be sure - they aren`t examples of a complete technique. The ones which are close to being completed can sky-rocket your skill in a time shorter than u could imagine was ever possible and I`m a living example of that. Still as u create them u learn more about doing so. It will also benefit in any other area of your life that u will choose if u ll be able to see the connections.

Seems airy-fairy ? Might be. Ignoring something because it seems airy-fairy , without giving it a fair trial ? Imo a bad idea and a sign of narrow-mindness. Your choice , gl : )
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-28 12:48:57
December 28 2009 12:48 GMT
#25
On December 28 2009 13:10 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 12:38 Empyrean wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:57 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:55 Silentness wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:30 Toyomaha wrote:
I have a hard time relying more on the minimap during gameplay and was wondering what some training techniques you've used to force yourself to look at the minimap are. Some have suggested turning off all music and turning up the unit acknowledgement. That kind of helped but what are some other suggestions?


Do you use the shift tab to make your enemy red?

It helps me when I see bright ass red blips coming towards me at certain spots of the minimap. (shuttles/dropships/muta harass).


You're like the 10th person I hear that says this :'(

I'm red/green color blind so it doesn't help me very much T.T


That's one of the most unfortunate things that could ever befall someone who plays :/

(Mental note: go reavers every game).



What about that blind guy that played against Boxer?

I dont think he was blind, just disabled in some form, but Im not really sure, just cant fathom someone playing SC blind.
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
ajmbek
Profile Joined November 2008
Italy460 Posts
December 28 2009 13:00 GMT
#26
playing without sounds really hepls a lot, and give you a better reaction time
Sic iter ad astra
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 28 2009 14:22 GMT
#27
On December 28 2009 21:48 damenmofa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 13:10 Xiphos wrote:
On December 28 2009 12:38 Empyrean wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:57 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:55 Silentness wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:30 Toyomaha wrote:
I have a hard time relying more on the minimap during gameplay and was wondering what some training techniques you've used to force yourself to look at the minimap are. Some have suggested turning off all music and turning up the unit acknowledgement. That kind of helped but what are some other suggestions?


Do you use the shift tab to make your enemy red?

It helps me when I see bright ass red blips coming towards me at certain spots of the minimap. (shuttles/dropships/muta harass).


You're like the 10th person I hear that says this :'(

I'm red/green color blind so it doesn't help me very much T.T


That's one of the most unfortunate things that could ever befall someone who plays :/

(Mental note: go reavers every game).



What about that blind guy that played against Boxer?

I dont think he was blind, just disabled in some form, but Im not really sure, just cant fathom someone playing SC blind.


he was blind.

Damn @ the color blindness...... thats too bad T_T
what do u do if you and your opponent are the same race and red and green in start already?(without the shift+tab change)
alt+qq?
https://www.twitch.tv/MasterReY/ ~ Biggest Reach fan on TL.net (Don't even dare to mention LR now) ~ R.I.P Violet ~ Developer of SCRChart
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EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
December 28 2009 16:20 GMT
#28
On December 28 2009 23:22 MasterReY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 21:48 damenmofa wrote:
On December 28 2009 13:10 Xiphos wrote:
On December 28 2009 12:38 Empyrean wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:57 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:55 Silentness wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:30 Toyomaha wrote:
I have a hard time relying more on the minimap during gameplay and was wondering what some training techniques you've used to force yourself to look at the minimap are. Some have suggested turning off all music and turning up the unit acknowledgement. That kind of helped but what are some other suggestions?


Do you use the shift tab to make your enemy red?

It helps me when I see bright ass red blips coming towards me at certain spots of the minimap. (shuttles/dropships/muta harass).


You're like the 10th person I hear that says this :'(

I'm red/green color blind so it doesn't help me very much T.T


That's one of the most unfortunate things that could ever befall someone who plays :/

(Mental note: go reavers every game).



What about that blind guy that played against Boxer?

I dont think he was blind, just disabled in some form, but Im not really sure, just cant fathom someone playing SC blind.


he was blind.

Damn @ the color blindness...... thats too bad T_T
what do u do if you and your opponent are the same race and red and green in start already?(without the shift+tab change)
alt+qq?

This happens to me quite often and it is why I already got used to checking the diplomacy right after I split my workers. If he happens to be that weird red/green/brown/purple/blue shade I will just shift + tab and know that I'm the lighter-colored dude.
It is impossible for me to watch replays in which the two players play the same race and happen to be that color you guys call red/green/brown, same thing with blue/purple.
MasterReY
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Germany2708 Posts
December 30 2009 14:52 GMT
#29
On December 29 2009 01:20 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 23:22 MasterReY wrote:
On December 28 2009 21:48 damenmofa wrote:
On December 28 2009 13:10 Xiphos wrote:
On December 28 2009 12:38 Empyrean wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:57 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:55 Silentness wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:30 Toyomaha wrote:
I have a hard time relying more on the minimap during gameplay and was wondering what some training techniques you've used to force yourself to look at the minimap are. Some have suggested turning off all music and turning up the unit acknowledgement. That kind of helped but what are some other suggestions?


Do you use the shift tab to make your enemy red?

It helps me when I see bright ass red blips coming towards me at certain spots of the minimap. (shuttles/dropships/muta harass).


You're like the 10th person I hear that says this :'(

I'm red/green color blind so it doesn't help me very much T.T


That's one of the most unfortunate things that could ever befall someone who plays :/

(Mental note: go reavers every game).



What about that blind guy that played against Boxer?

I dont think he was blind, just disabled in some form, but Im not really sure, just cant fathom someone playing SC blind.


he was blind.

Damn @ the color blindness...... thats too bad T_T
what do u do if you and your opponent are the same race and red and green in start already?(without the shift+tab change)
alt+qq?

This happens to me quite often and it is why I already got used to checking the diplomacy right after I split my workers. If he happens to be that weird red/green/brown/purple/blue shade I will just shift + tab and know that I'm the lighter-colored dude.
It is impossible for me to watch replays in which the two players play the same race and happen to be that color you guys call red/green/brown, same thing with blue/purple.


ah that sucks man.....
But you can also use shift-tab for replays. Remember that. If you can play like that you can also watch replays like that
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Zoler
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Sweden6339 Posts
December 30 2009 14:57 GMT
#30
Just play more. That is all.
Lim Yo Hwan forever!
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 30 2009 16:19 GMT
#31
On December 29 2009 01:20 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 23:22 MasterReY wrote:
On December 28 2009 21:48 damenmofa wrote:
On December 28 2009 13:10 Xiphos wrote:
On December 28 2009 12:38 Empyrean wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:57 EsX_Raptor wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:55 Silentness wrote:
On December 28 2009 11:30 Toyomaha wrote:
I have a hard time relying more on the minimap during gameplay and was wondering what some training techniques you've used to force yourself to look at the minimap are. Some have suggested turning off all music and turning up the unit acknowledgement. That kind of helped but what are some other suggestions?


Do you use the shift tab to make your enemy red?

It helps me when I see bright ass red blips coming towards me at certain spots of the minimap. (shuttles/dropships/muta harass).


You're like the 10th person I hear that says this :'(

I'm red/green color blind so it doesn't help me very much T.T


That's one of the most unfortunate things that could ever befall someone who plays :/

(Mental note: go reavers every game).



What about that blind guy that played against Boxer?

I dont think he was blind, just disabled in some form, but Im not really sure, just cant fathom someone playing SC blind.


he was blind.

Damn @ the color blindness...... thats too bad T_T
what do u do if you and your opponent are the same race and red and green in start already?(without the shift+tab change)
alt+qq?

This happens to me quite often and it is why I already got used to checking the diplomacy right after I split my workers. If he happens to be that weird red/green/brown/purple/blue shade I will just shift + tab and know that I'm the lighter-colored dude.
It is impossible for me to watch replays in which the two players play the same race and happen to be that color you guys call red/green/brown, same thing with blue/purple.


I know I shouldn't be laughing, but I could imagine a color blind person thinking they're winning and accidentally killing their own units. I've almost done that before and I'm not even color blind >,<
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
December 30 2009 16:23 GMT
#32
On December 30 2009 23:57 Zoler wrote:
Just play more. That is all.

+1

i dunno when i check minimap during games, i have no techniques or anything that am aware of. i just as zoler said played more and then i became better at looking the minimap

very important in tvp cause of recalls ^^
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
old times sake
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
165 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 17:48:15
December 30 2009 17:47 GMT
#33
The minimap must be extra horrible for color blindness. I've always found some colors to be way harder to see than others, but that takes the cake. Also, on some monitors you have to make SC look really ugly in order to get the display bright enough to be able to see the minimap clearly. The minimap needs its own contrast setting and some kind of color-blindness options.

edit: maybe iccup launcher could add this
Lol it's so funny watching the level of posting deteriorate so rapidly when supporters of this decision are confronted with such nefarious things as REASONS. --fanatacist
GreEny K
Profile Joined February 2008
Germany7312 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 19:09:14
December 30 2009 19:07 GMT
#34
On December 28 2009 11:36 gemini24 wrote:
You can add a part to your routine for micro and macro to actually physically turn your head, not just your eyes, down towards the minimap. Like count to 5 then check the map. As for the minimap itself, pressing the tab key to remove the terrain can make it easier to see enemy movement.



You're right about the turning your head idea that does help but I wouldn't suggest doing it for 5 seconds or tabing your mini map... You lose sight of everything except units and buildings, thats not really that helpful. Also try using shift tab so you are teal and other person is red, will make you focus more on the colors.

Nevermind about shift tabing lol,

How the hell did a blind person play anything on a computer?
Why would you ever choose failure, when success is an option.
0neheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States92 Posts
December 30 2009 21:10 GMT
#35
[QUOTE]On December 31 2009 04:07 GreEny K wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 28 2009 11:36 gemini24 wrote:

How the hell did a blind person play anything on a computer?[/QUOTE]

i think he was told like what his position was on the map, etc

it was really interesting, cuz he could actually kinda play.
KennigitsABaller
Profile Joined December 2009
Barbados45 Posts
December 30 2009 21:24 GMT
#36
On December 28 2009 11:53 justiceknight wrote:
I heard that playing the game w/o sounds helps alot but i havent tried yet


This is what some pro gamers do, yes, but at a low level it isn't significant enough to count.
I fucked your dads throat, faggot - Dan
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-30 22:00:18
December 30 2009 21:59 GMT
#37
We recently had a big discussion on this for the Starcraft 2. The idea was to bring the resource counter near the mini-map so you could check all your strategic info at once.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
Toyomaha
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States144 Posts
December 30 2009 22:34 GMT
#38
On December 31 2009 06:24 KennigitsABaller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2009 11:53 justiceknight wrote:
I heard that playing the game w/o sounds helps alot but i havent tried yet


This is what some pro gamers do, yes, but at a low level it isn't significant enough to count.


So what do u suggest???
www.starcraftutah.blogspot.com
Toyomaha
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States144 Posts
December 30 2009 22:38 GMT
#39
On December 30 2009 23:57 Zoler wrote:
Just play more. That is all.


If I had more time and less responsibility believe me I'd play all the time!!! But for as much as I play I'd like as many ideas and suggestions as I can get so that I can eventually get to the wonderful ranks of c- LOL
www.starcraftutah.blogspot.com
Postaljester
Profile Joined December 2002
United States128 Posts
December 30 2009 22:42 GMT
#40
On December 28 2009 11:35 EsX_Raptor wrote:
well just look at it =/

or do what a bunch of people here do: put notes next to your monitor saying "LOOK AT THE MINIMAP."


I do not understand the sticky note theory i hear so much about.
Why would you remember to look at a sticky note but not remember to look at the corner of the game scren
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