EPT8 rax = cheese? - Page 2
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Canada2433 Posts
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horang3
United States261 Posts
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
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Mortality
United States4790 Posts
2. It's pretty standard. 3. It's not "more standard" than it is because it's more easily defended than you might think (at least on most maps). | ||
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Avidkeystamper
United States8554 Posts
On December 19 2009 16:05 SkepTicAL wrote: 8 rax is a build order, not a cheese. Cheese is something that you can't recover from if it fails. 8 rax you can transition to mech or fe carrying on the game from there. That's not a very good definition. It's hard to recover from anything if it fails. I would consider cheese more something that would never work if your opponent knew it was coming. | ||
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SkepTicAL
Canada872 Posts
On December 19 2009 16:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: That's not a very good definition. It's hard to recover from anything if it fails. I would consider cheese more something that would never work if your opponent knew it was coming. Thats not true either then lol, you can see a cannon rush coming and still lose. Cheese is something completely all-in imo, bunker rush(unless you send every worker you have) isn't all-in. | ||
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CynanMachae
Canada1459 Posts
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Weryeery
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Its a game winning opening if its not defended properly, and even if its perfectly defended you're still ahead. So dont be suprised if some Z players get pissed at you if you use 8 rax  | ||
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Postaljester
United States128 Posts
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HiHiByeBye
Canada365 Posts
Cannon rush is cheese? it is allin? I define cheese to be a build that sets u behind slightly and it is devastating if not scouted but easily countered when scouted. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 19 2009 16:05 SkepTicAL wrote: 8 rax is a build order, not a cheese. Cheese is something that you can't recover from if it fails. 8 rax you can transition to mech or fe carrying on the game from there. which means the build Skyhigh did vs Jaedong on Destination was not cheesy (floating hidden rax into main)? | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On December 19 2009 17:05 HiHiByeBye wrote: Proxy DTs is cheese? it is allin? Cannon rush is cheese? it is allin? I define cheese to be a build that sets u behind slightly and it is devastating if not scouted but easily countered when scouted. by your definition 2-fact is cheese. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
Put your build into Liquipedia -Cg | ||
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pat965
Canada274 Posts
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Always
United States376 Posts
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Speake
United States494 Posts
and with the recent influx of 8rax / proxy factory based builds because fantasy loves them overpool is becoming more common anyway | ||
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
SRSLY: 8 Rax is a great opening that puts you in an advantage and you can transition into anything. It is like saying 3 hatch spire, 5 hatch hydra is a cheese, because it is easy executable and wins you a lot of games On December 19 2009 17:45 unSpeake wrote: if zerg goes 9 pool or even overpool you basically lose as a terran player, which is why it is considered cheese; you are assuming the zerg 12hatches without even scouting which makes it mostly a luck based build and with the recent influx of 8rax / proxy factory based builds because fantasy loves them overpool is becoming more common anyway Yeah, cuz zergs go 9/Overpool every game... The new maps have big rush distances ('cept Match Point) so even if the Zerg opens with early pool and you open 8 rax, you can stil defend pretty easily | ||
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Tuke
Finland1666 Posts
On December 19 2009 14:02 lazz wrote: 8 rax isnt cheese. bbs or proxy rax is cheese Agreed, 8rax is more like 14cc and 14nexus, little bit off standard, but still not cheese like bbs, 3hatch speedling all-in, etc. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
Its hard to define cheese. Ehh... expensive but delicious? | ||
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