EPTWho runs KESPA nowadays? I've heard it mentioned in the past it was a bunch of Korean business interests, probably the corporate team sponsors? And the president of KESPA was a corporate exec?
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Zona
40426 Posts
Who runs KESPA nowadays? I've heard it mentioned in the past it was a bunch of Korean business interests, probably the corporate team sponsors? And the president of KESPA was a corporate exec? | ||
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udgnim
United States8024 Posts
On August 15 2009 17:58 Zona wrote: Is this system even worse than before, where there was no system? Right now - the players up for this so-called free agency - have their regular contracts run out? If their regular contracts have run out and this is all they have going for them, it's extremely bad. Who runs KESPA nowadays? I've heard it mentioned in the past it was a bunch of Korean business interests, probably the corporate team sponsors? And the president of KESPA was a corporate exec? I'm pretty sure SKT1 & OGN (Hite) have some type of business relationship with KESPA at least I remember something like that during a Mumbo Jumbo explanation of why SKT1 & Hite did not participate in GOM | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On August 14 2009 20:52 Shizuru~ wrote: The reason people are getting so pissed off at this is because the sports and its players which we have all come to love is under serious abuse and exploitations, ans seriously, why are u posting in favor of kespa in these forums where people that LOVES this games and the pro-gamers? when it is obvious that kespa is fucking screwing up the players? No need for fairness? what u like seeing Jaedong/Bisu or whoever u like being tossed around like slaves? Tell me this, DO U NOT CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS OTHER THAN THE GAMES THEY PLAY ON TV? u don't give a shit as long they give u good entertaintment yes? I got so furious reading that players aren't even allowed to pick whichever teams they like to go, and they still have the balls to call it FREE AGENTS, when they can't even employ an agent to represent them? fuck this shit seriously, why are they all not on strike right now? They could strike... and they'd fail hard. This is a prime example of a business situation where one side having all the leverage and power. It's a very extreme case, which is what really grabbed my attention. Do I dislike it? Of course I do. But I look at what recourse the players have, and I can't find any. They are screwed because they have no power. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
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HiOT
Sweden1000 Posts
On August 12 2009 11:19 Artosis wrote: originally jaedong was going to take advantage of FA, but now hwaseung has promised to make him the highest paid progamer ever, so it looks like Jaedong OZ will continue to win things on the back of 1 player ! Would be fun if someone bought him anyway for 2x "the highest payed player" | ||
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Vec
United States69 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On August 15 2009 19:01 baubo wrote: Yea I agree. At the end of the day you would expect their coaches to at least try and bring about better rights for the players. But when you find out that the SKT Coach is the head of KeSPA you just are lost for words... (other coaches are on kespa as well)They could strike... and they'd fail hard. This is a prime example of a business situation where one side having all the leverage and power. It's a very extreme case, which is what really grabbed my attention. Do I dislike it? Of course I do. But I look at what recourse the players have, and I can't find any. They are screwed because they have no power. | ||
GTR
51397 Posts
EDIT: Just checked, the head of KeSPA is indeed Kim Sun-Bae, the SK Telecom Chairman. | ||
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lilxleftee
United States1 Post
Whenever anything begins, it's always pure, and it's always honest and natural. But as time goes on, and as things become more used to -- the purity, the honesty, and the naturality of it slowly diminishes and even disguised to make it seem like it's still the way it is. Not talking only about businesses. I'm talking about pretty much everything. Relationships, love, heck, even the Earth as a planet. Remember that favorite cereal brand you loved when you were growing up? Now it's flooded with extra sugar-coated crap and shit pellets that ruins the entire taste of how it was when you first ate it. Remember the first time you laid your hands on Super Mario Bros.? Now they got overloaded graphical power to attract your attention with no substance whatsoever. And remember the first time you laid eyes on your lover? Now you can't wait to kill this motherfucker. Talk about going a bit off-topic and for being too generic ^_^ anyway, in the grand scheme of things, and in my view (I'll just talk about Jaedong since he's probably the player most talked about needing a trade) -- Jaedong won't be going nowhere. He belongs in Oz due to their major failure without him (excluding the proleague finals >_> ). If he's not in Oz, then why even have the team exist any longer? If Jaedong is all they need to get to the finals, then that already makes it interesting. Lol, no one wants to see a super rigged team raping everyone up the ass year in and year out. wooties the end | ||
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TheFoReveRwaR
United States10657 Posts
Amongst the bidding teams, the player is UNABLE to select their team of choice, and MUST negotiate a contract with the team that bids the highest amount. You must be fucking kidding Such a joke...Korean E sports players Association my ass. How does kespa even try to pretend they have the players best interest in mind with shit like this. Its so clear that kespa only cares about corporate interests, I'm suprised the players don't go on strike. But ya it probably would fail because there isn't enough organization amongst the players themselves and the top players/popular players that these companies actually need to sell their product(e-sports) are taken care of well so they might be reluctant. Something needs to be done though. Having a team manager as the head of the freaking PLAYERS association is completely insane. | ||
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natturner
342 Posts
question: is there any sort of salary cap or luxury tax like in the NBA? | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On August 16 2009 07:03 natturner wrote: the free agency is stupid, basically whichever team has the most money can take whoever they want since players must go with whoever offers the most money. that is the dumbest thing ever. the whole point of being a free agent is to be able to choose who u want to play for. kespa basically just ensured that only the big name corporations will have a chance in making it to the playoffs since they have the best chance at acquiring the best free agents. question: is there any sort of salary cap or luxury tax like in the NBA? Except that the teams with lots of money can't acquire all of the big names because of the "pay double the existing salary" rule. | ||
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natturner
342 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
On August 16 2009 07:11 natturner wrote: still, if they can afford it then y not? also i dunno how big their contracts are now, but there could be a lot of good players out there who are still on small contracts and could maybe easily demand more than twice whatever they're earning now, so paying double might not even seem that bad, but i dunno. not to mention the repayment rule doesn't apply to players who earn less than 50,000,000 won a year. i don't know how big these korean corporations are, but i wouldn't be surprised if Samsung ended up with a lot of big names. totally agree, a salary cap would work much better than the current system btw, samsung khan is supposedly not that rich, kt and skt are | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
On August 16 2009 07:16 Shikyo wrote: Like imagine Jaedong. If the highest bidder is like eSTRO he HAS to accept, otherwise he has to negotiate with hwaseung again and they can cut his pay to like 1/5 and he can't do anything about it unless he wants to spend half a year as a semi-pro. That being said, I'm sure some team like KTF would sell 90% of their players to get enough money for someone like Jaedong if necessary. But it also means that teams like CJ have no chance. Or he could just negotiate a decent contract with Hwaseung in the first place and eSTRO (or any other team) would never get the chance to bid on him. But yeah, it's stupid | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5281 Posts
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Hinanawi
United States2250 Posts
Example, let's say that  Jaedong is being paid $200,000 a year (do we actually know how much he makes? I'm just guessing here...), but he's worth $300,000 and other teams would gladly pay 300k to pick him up.Normally this would force Hwaesung Oz to either raise his salary to 300k where it belongs, or risk having him leave. But under the new rules they could keep it at 200k without worrying, because any team that wants Jaedong would have to pay $400k to Hwaesung Oz in addition to the higher offer salary they're offering Jaedong himself. They have to spend more than triple to GET him than Oz has to spend to KEEP him. Now in this case, I'm sure most of you are thinking "200k, 300k, whatever, he's a rich bastard either way", but what about the A-class players? A coach can keep their salary at the 50mil won (about 40k/year in US dollars) trade cap and no other team can pick them up unless they're willing to shell out about 150mil won (120k US dollars). Can those players ever expect their salary to go up from 50mil won to 60 or 70? No, because there's no reason to pay them that much, the rules prevent them from being picked up by other teams now. Basically this lets the teams who currently have stars (I'm looking at you especially, SKT1, with your Bisu/Fantasy/Boxer/etc.) pay their players much less than they're worth and not worry about losing them. It also means the chances of Jaedong or  Flash escaping their teams becomes almost zero. What bullshit. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2009 08:35 Hinanawi wrote: Basically this lets the teams who currently have stars (I'm looking at you especially, SKT1, with your Bisu/Fantasy/Boxer/etc.) pay their players much less than they're worth and not worry about losing them. Nitpick: Boxer and Fantasy aren't up for free agency to begin with. | ||
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SanguineToss
Canada815 Posts
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