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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
August 14 2009 08:58 GMT
#101
lol this is ridiculous; the players can't even choose which of the bidding teams he wants to go to, but can only negotiate a contract with the team that is bidding the most? Who came up with this idea?
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 14 2009 09:00 GMT
#102
honestly this is just another example of how little regard professional esports has for its players.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
August 14 2009 09:09 GMT
#103
Please Jaedong get into a competent team!

These rules are just silly, why would the player not be able to choose the team he goes to?

I'm just curious about their justification.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
August 14 2009 09:21 GMT
#104
On August 14 2009 18:09 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Please Jaedong get into a competent team!

These rules are just silly, why would the player not be able to choose the team he goes to?

I'm just curious about their justification.


shocking it's even legal.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
August 14 2009 09:24 GMT
#105
Omg this is sooooo stupid...
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
August 14 2009 09:50 GMT
#106
On August 14 2009 17:42 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 17:16 Etherone wrote:
wait, so because it exists, it should be done. especially if there is economical gain?
just so i know exactly where you stand.


I have no stance. Because after working for so many years I've pretty much immunized myself to corporate greed and exploitation of anything they can get away with. It's one thing if you're going to rip on S. Korea for having no laws to protect players from such unfair treatment. It's quite another to blame Kespa for just being greedy.

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On August 14 2009 17:23 Carnac wrote:
On August 14 2009 17:10 baubo wrote:
On August 14 2009 16:50 Carnac wrote:
Why be fair when there's no need? By the same logic I can ask why adhere to human rights when there's no need. Sup china? Great argument you have going there.


Nice of you to bring countries into this. Because someone living in China can't possibly understand human rights. If I didn't dislike the rolleyes emoticon so much I'd use it right now.

You might want to brush up on the history of American sports when it comes to player rights. Or for that matter, you could just ask illegal immigrants making below-minimum wage washing dishes and cleaning office buildings what they think of "fairness" and "human rights".
I never said that you as a person can't understand human rights. You aren't China or the Chinese government for that matter. China is one of many examples, it was just the easiest to use (and Germany isn't perfect either). But that's besides the point

Back to your argument: I don't see what the history of American sports has to do with it (and I don't care about US sports anyway). This isn't about history, this is about right here right now. I'm interested in Starcraft Progaming in Korea, why shouldn't I criticize it when they're very obviously doing something really bad? How can you even regard "why be fair when there's no need" a good argument? Come on, man


I say it because companies are NEVER fair when there is no need to. This has nothing to do with America or Korea or past or present. It has always been the case. And it always will be. It has happened in every corner of the world. There's a reason why you have governments, laws, player unions, etc. trying their best to prevent such exploitation.

Except, like Plexa said, KeSPA was there to represent the players :<
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 14 2009 10:44 GMT
#107
On August 14 2009 18:50 Carnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 17:42 baubo wrote:
On August 14 2009 17:16 Etherone wrote:
wait, so because it exists, it should be done. especially if there is economical gain?
just so i know exactly where you stand.


I have no stance. Because after working for so many years I've pretty much immunized myself to corporate greed and exploitation of anything they can get away with. It's one thing if you're going to rip on S. Korea for having no laws to protect players from such unfair treatment. It's quite another to blame Kespa for just being greedy.

On August 14 2009 17:23 Carnac wrote:
On August 14 2009 17:10 baubo wrote:
On August 14 2009 16:50 Carnac wrote:
Why be fair when there's no need? By the same logic I can ask why adhere to human rights when there's no need. Sup china? Great argument you have going there.


Nice of you to bring countries into this. Because someone living in China can't possibly understand human rights. If I didn't dislike the rolleyes emoticon so much I'd use it right now.

You might want to brush up on the history of American sports when it comes to player rights. Or for that matter, you could just ask illegal immigrants making below-minimum wage washing dishes and cleaning office buildings what they think of "fairness" and "human rights".
I never said that you as a person can't understand human rights. You aren't China or the Chinese government for that matter. China is one of many examples, it was just the easiest to use (and Germany isn't perfect either). But that's besides the point

Back to your argument: I don't see what the history of American sports has to do with it (and I don't care about US sports anyway). This isn't about history, this is about right here right now. I'm interested in Starcraft Progaming in Korea, why shouldn't I criticize it when they're very obviously doing something really bad? How can you even regard "why be fair when there's no need" a good argument? Come on, man


I say it because companies are NEVER fair when there is no need to. This has nothing to do with America or Korea or past or present. It has always been the case. And it always will be. It has happened in every corner of the world. There's a reason why you have governments, laws, player unions, etc. trying their best to prevent such exploitation.

Except, like Plexa said, KeSPA was there to represent the players :<


Except, like many other things in the world, what an organization is suppose to represent and what it actually does tend to be quite different.
Meh
Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-14 10:46:17
August 14 2009 10:46 GMT
#108
Watch out kids, we have a real smartass on our hands here
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cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
August 14 2009 10:55 GMT
#109
This is what happens when you don't have a union. (The no agents rule is especially ridiculous)

In the Boxer/Savior interview, Boxer said that he tried to organize a players union but failed, and that he's too old to do that now. I disagree. I think Boxer is the only player that could do it because he is so respected and admired by the players and fans. Or else starcraft players will have to do what other sports players have done in the past, which is to let the owners walk all over them for years and years until someone steps up and gets everyone organized.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
bLah.
Profile Joined July 2009
Croatia497 Posts
August 14 2009 11:00 GMT
#110
This is so ridicoulus. Players should be able to go wherever they want after their contract expires, without any fee or anything else and if some team wants a player who is under contract with other team, then pay some money for him etc.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
August 14 2009 11:12 GMT
#111
On August 14 2009 19:46 Carnac wrote:
Watch out kids, we have a real smartass on our hands here


*Shrugs* Weird how just commenting on smart business decisions turn me into being a smartass. But whatever floats your boat.
Meh
MannerMan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
371 Posts
August 14 2009 11:32 GMT
#112
They shouldn't have to protect the small teams at the expense of the players either, if the teams can't afford to be in the league, they can't afford it.

There can't be revenue sharing because the sponsors do it for advertising, there's no home or away games where 30,000 people buy tickets to each game.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
August 14 2009 11:49 GMT
#113
Wait... so theoritically, if I won the lottery or was just super rich, I could start my own team and just buy a Bisu, Jaedong, Sea super team?
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
Shizuru~
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Malaysia1676 Posts
August 14 2009 11:52 GMT
#114
On August 14 2009 20:12 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 19:46 Carnac wrote:
Watch out kids, we have a real smartass on our hands here


*Shrugs* Weird how just commenting on smart business decisions turn me into being a smartass. But whatever floats your boat.


The reason people are getting so pissed off at this is because the sports and its players which we have all come to love is under serious abuse and exploitations, ans seriously, why are u posting in favor of kespa in these forums where people that LOVES this games and the pro-gamers? when it is obvious that kespa is fucking screwing up the players?

No need for fairness? what u like seeing Jaedong/Bisu or whoever u like being tossed around like slaves? Tell me this,

DO U NOT CARE ABOUT THE PLAYERS OTHER THAN THE GAMES THEY PLAY ON TV?

u don't give a shit as long they give u good entertaintment yes?

I got so furious reading that players aren't even allowed to pick whichever teams they like to go, and they still have the balls to call it FREE AGENTS, when they can't even employ an agent to represent them?

fuck this shit seriously, why are they all not on strike right now?
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
August 14 2009 11:52 GMT
#115
On August 14 2009 20:49 n.DieJokes wrote:
Wait... so theoritically, if I won the lottery or was just super rich, I could start my own team and just buy a Bisu, Jaedong, Sea super team?

wtf why is Sea in there he's not even that good anymore
and knowing KeSPA they'd say no to you hahaha
Writerptrk
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51568 Posts
August 14 2009 11:56 GMT
#116
On August 14 2009 20:52 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2009 20:49 n.DieJokes wrote:
Wait... so theoritically, if I won the lottery or was just super rich, I could start my own team and just buy a Bisu, Jaedong, Sea super team?

wtf why is Sea in there he's not even that good anymore
and knowing KeSPA they'd say no to you hahaha


actually hand them a couple of million dollars as a 'gift' and they'll probably let you.
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
August 14 2009 16:04 GMT
#117
Don't the players have a union? If not they should get one asap!
Aresien
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United Kingdom305 Posts
August 14 2009 17:20 GMT
#118
On August 15 2009 01:04 nttea wrote:
Don't the players have a union? If not they should get one asap!


Sadly, it's called Kespa.
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
August 14 2009 17:25 GMT
#119
Um, KeSPA's nowhere near to what a union is. In the Boxer-Savior interview, Boxer wanted to start up a union to prevent mistreatment before he retired, but there's been nothing on that yet.
Jaedong
Aresien
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United Kingdom305 Posts
August 14 2009 18:12 GMT
#120
As far as I know KeSPA was originally set up to be a front for the players, a representative of sorts. Therefore kind of a union. I might be wrong though, i've only really followed SC from 2007
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