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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
June 25 2009 16:25 GMT
#61
On June 26 2009 00:29 Jonvvv wrote:
BoxeR as a sniper in the proleague-playoffs would be awsome :p


Yea, but it wouldn't be Boxer (or loveOov, or Nada, or any of the old time big players) to be content with just being a sniper. I can't see any of them satisfied with being a sniper rather than a normal proleague contributor.

And it's hard to be called a sniper when you've got more titles than entire teams. Than several teams put together.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-25 16:26:50
June 25 2009 16:26 GMT
#62
On June 26 2009 00:30 nozaro33 wrote:
Seriously, talking (I don't think arguing) about whether Boxer is bad or not is stupid and kinda pointless. For instance, Nada hasn't been doing that great lately, is he bad? No, it's just much harder for players like him (and Boxer) to keep up with the scene with all the new and younger players. (Which all have insane mechanics and faster hands)

But Nada is the most consistent player of progaming history ever and he still continues to be a relevant player, which Boxer completely fails at.
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
June 25 2009 16:43 GMT
#63
he just havent been given a chance to prove himself recently...like gorush and yellow until they went to ace
fuck lag
fabulous
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden45 Posts
June 25 2009 17:11 GMT
#64
On June 26 2009 01:43 ZidaneTribal wrote:
he just havent been given a chance to prove himself recently...like gorush and yellow until they went to ace


Maybe he wants to practice more before playing in a pro-game again. I don't think he wants to start playing and completely fail while up there.
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
June 25 2009 17:17 GMT
#65
he is solid A+ iccup player now
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
June 25 2009 17:19 GMT
#66
Boxer and OOv are the reason why Fantasy has transformed from an average player into an Uber death machine lately. So yeah, I think he's taken more of a coaching, brother role at SKT1.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
June 25 2009 17:25 GMT
#67
On June 26 2009 01:14 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2009 01:03 Leath wrote:
On June 25 2009 13:46 Beachac wrote:
I'm kind of new to the starcraft scene, but I see that boxer has been losing a lot of his recent games, so I'm just curious, has he lost his touch?

Yup.
I think he may have, in fact, dropped down to B, B+


Was a replay not long ago here on teamliquid where Boxer just toyed with one of our (foreigners) best players....

During TSL he was 2-1'd by JF though..I still think Boxer is the greatest player to ever play the game but he's just not as good as he once was
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RyanS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States620 Posts
June 25 2009 17:36 GMT
#68
He is still playing in e-stars seoul tournament correct? So I guess we will see what he has.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
June 25 2009 17:48 GMT
#69
On June 25 2009 13:56 Harem wrote:
One of his most recent games (where vod is available) answers this pretty well.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10472_BoxeR_vs_Calm

Lol you're going to show a zerg winning against another race on Raid Assault as an exhibit of skill levels?
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
June 25 2009 17:58 GMT
#70
heh heh

yes he is bad now
returns upon momentous occasions.
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
June 25 2009 18:27 GMT
#71
We'll find out how good he is when he starts playing again. He expressed a desire to return to form, so you can bet he's practicing hard right now.
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
June 25 2009 18:48 GMT
#72
You sirs with your blasphemy against the emperor, should simply go somewhere and get pwned.
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
June 25 2009 19:02 GMT
#73
I appreciate Boxer and everything he's done, but in all honestly the fanboyism here feels like a TL religion thread
MoRe_mInErAls
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Canada1210 Posts
June 25 2009 19:03 GMT
#74
On June 26 2009 04:02 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
I appreciate Boxer and everything he's done, but in all honesty the fanboyism here feels like a TL religion thread

Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
June 25 2009 19:09 GMT
#75
On June 26 2009 04:02 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
I appreciate Boxer and everything he's done, but in all honestly the fanboyism here feels like a TL religion thread


I fail to see the problem.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
Teh_Arbitur
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden60 Posts
June 25 2009 19:12 GMT
#76
On June 26 2009 01:26 koreasilver wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2009 00:30 nozaro33 wrote:
Seriously, talking (I don't think arguing) about whether Boxer is bad or not is stupid and kinda pointless. For instance, Nada hasn't been doing that great lately, is he bad? No, it's just much harder for players like him (and Boxer) to keep up with the scene with all the new and younger players. (Which all have insane mechanics and faster hands)

But Nada is the most consistent player of progaming history ever and he still continues to be a relevant player, which Boxer completely fails at.


Dont ever compare the emperor to nada.

IDC, what anyone of you think. Boxer will always be a god of starcraft and noone will never ever get anywhere close to what he once was.
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RivetHead
Profile Joined March 2005
United States842 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-25 19:37:07
June 25 2009 19:29 GMT
#77
On June 26 2009 04:09 Railz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2009 04:02 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
I appreciate Boxer and everything he's done, but in all honestly the fanboyism here feels like a TL religion thread


I fail to see the problem.


I certaintly see it. Rabid fanboyism is annoying, especially when no one calls it out. As much as people say they like to watch boxer, win or lose, i certainly don't. Because I know I am going to see a subpar game. Its the same way I don't like to watch ACE proleague matches: I want to watch the game being played at the very top level. I like long games with back and forth action, tons of units, and high multitasking. In other words, i wanna watch bisu, flash, jaedong.

Boxer has done a great many things for professional starcraft, but unfortunately that is all in the past. Sure he might be able win games here and there due to his deep understanding of having played the game for so long professionally, but in straight up games he would most likely be dominated.

He still has aspects of the game that are really good, such has his small unit micro and strategic-outside the box thinking, but the game has developed beyond that. He would probably lose to anyone in kespa 30 in a bo5.

His true strength now lies in coaching and leadership.

PS. Response to post above, I'd take NaDa any day over boxer. NaDa was how i got into broodwar, so I can see how people might view boxer the same way, but NaDa is just better.
I *heart* bisu, nada, mind, and the lakers
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
June 25 2009 19:31 GMT
#78
On June 26 2009 04:12 Teh_Arbitur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2009 01:26 koreasilver wrote:
On June 26 2009 00:30 nozaro33 wrote:
Seriously, talking (I don't think arguing) about whether Boxer is bad or not is stupid and kinda pointless. For instance, Nada hasn't been doing that great lately, is he bad? No, it's just much harder for players like him (and Boxer) to keep up with the scene with all the new and younger players. (Which all have insane mechanics and faster hands)

But Nada is the most consistent player of progaming history ever and he still continues to be a relevant player, which Boxer completely fails at.


Dont ever compare the emperor to nada.

IDC, what anyone of you think. Boxer will always be a god of starcraft and noone will never ever get anywhere close to what he once was.


Nada is the most successful SC player ever (I doubt anyone is going to get more titles than him).

It's no shame to compare Boxer with Nada.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
June 26 2009 07:36 GMT
#79
just wondering about you guys saying boxer helped in inventing the fantasy build, proof?
hi
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
June 26 2009 07:38 GMT
#80
On June 26 2009 16:36 stroggos wrote:
just wondering about you guys saying boxer helped in inventing the fantasy build, proof?


well the fantasy build is more of an evolution of T into the flexible mech style that we see today that fantasy repopularized...Boxer, nada, and oov all made significant contributions to T that we see through the fantasy build.
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