On June 26 2009 04:02 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: I appreciate Boxer and everything he's done, but in all honestly the fanboyism here feels like a TL religion thread
I fail to see the problem.
Boxer has done a great many things for professional starcraft, but unfortunately that is all in the past.
Do you like watching the Proleague? Thank Boxer. He paid money out of his own pocket to help OGN create the Proleague six years ago. Before the Proleague was created, the sponsor of Boxer's team Orion (which was the confectionary DongYang) offered a contract to sponsor only Boxer. He refused it because he wanted to set an example that professional SC needs corporate sponsors and teams if the players are going to be taken care of properly, like any athletes for any other sports. The things he has done for Starcraft are not in the past. They're happening right now. I could go on (to great, great lengths, even), but I think everyone should realize that Boxer isn't so beloved purely because of what he did as a player. It's because of what he did as a person. He is by far the most important person ever to live when it comes to SC and the examples he set are the norm today.
So ... let's all take it easy on Boxer. He deserves it.
On June 28 2009 17:25 Eben wrote: BoxeR never got worse, everyone else just got better.
He not only didn't get worse, he is much, much better now (or at the point right before he joined ACE) than he ever was in his dominance. But the game has changed so much that the skill levels are off the charts.
The metagame has changed at a faster and faster pace over the years, which means that the average skill level of a progamer has increased at an accelerated rate, especially since iloveoov's macro revolution. Someone like Idra or Herb can probably have dominated in Boxer and Nada's heydey.
On June 28 2009 17:25 Eben wrote: BoxeR never got worse, everyone else just got better.
He not only didn't get worse, he is much, much better now (or at the point right before he joined ACE) than he ever was in his dominance. But the game has changed so much that the skill levels are off the charts.
The metagame has changed at a faster and faster pace over the years, which means that the average skill level of a progamer has increased at an accelerated rate, especially since iloveoov's macro revolution. Someone like Idra or Herb can probably have dominated in Boxer and Nada's heydey.
that is when he uses valkirie...??? an then some guy called fantasy came and copied it (same team, maybe he didnt copied)
get your facts straight. first off fantasy and boxer weren't on the same team when boxer first used valks. second, the fantasy build was essentially made by oov. third, fantasy build's main innovation was the use of dropships and vultures to prevent zerg from overexpanding.
On July 07 2009 16:48 MK wrote: at the age of 25, the brain starts to decrease the reflex ability and PGMs are mostly based on the reflex. Boxer is 30...
reflex is also important for goalkeepers in football or icehocky, but the best goalkeepers are "old".
Boxer is looking pretty good in Heritage right now, but most of those players are in bad form right now and simply do not stack up against modern S-class progamers.
I haven't seen all of Boxer's matches, but from the ones I have seen, I do believe his strategic sense is as sharp as ever and that in a match of strategy and micro, Boxer should be able to take wins off even some of the highest gamers in the industry, but I also saw a lot of sloppy late game mistakes. For instance, in his game against Yellow last night, Boxer had a huge army that he lost to only a handful of units because he was controlling a different force on the other side of the map and not paying attention. If you compare this to Flash, you will see the clear difference.
In fact, even just looking at last night's games, Boxer's large army control compared to NaDa's was really bad and I felt his timing sense compared to NaDa's was also not as good. However, unlike Boxer, NaDa made some pretty bad tactical errors against a significantly more challenging opponent (I felt Savior's play was clearly on a higher level than Yellow's, although some may argue that Yellow was forced to play on a harder map for Zerg).
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