EPTA History of Terran vs. Zerg - Page 7
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United States703 Posts
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ytech.MorroW
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tho i still like bio the most | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On June 01 2009 19:23 Zzoram wrote: What is the oldest VOD available with muta micro? Anyone know? I'd like to watch it. Even if it isn't the first instance of it, I'd still like to see how it was handled in it's infancy. July versus Doggi, group stages of Gillette OSL, was the first game on air that had mutalisk stack micro. July used minerals to keep the mutalisk stacked instead of grouping them with overlords though. He was the only zerg player who was capable of doing such tricks with mutalisks until Shark figured out how to keep them permanently stacked. Can't seem to find any VODs, but this highlight video has some of the mutalisk stack micro July first showcased in his debut stage. Micro that we take for granted these days were nonexistent back when July was around, and his level of micro really was years ahead of his time. I remember watching all his moves in absolute awe. Those were the days. | ||
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MutaDoom
Canada1163 Posts
On May 29 2009 22:03 Harem wrote: JD didn't use queens just once. He used them on Fantasy, Hwasin, Firebathero, and Skyhigh. Holy shit, I don't remember 4 times. Which leagues were these in? | ||
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Piste
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parkin
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MrWinkles
United States200 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On June 02 2009 16:36 MrWinkles wrote: Could someone please link a VOD of Crazy Zerg play? I think it was before my time that I started watching BW, it seems pretty ballsy and I love ultraz! | ||
Harem
United States11393 Posts
On June 02 2009 01:58 MutaDoom wrote: Thanks for the awesome translation :D Holy shit, I don't remember 4 times. Which leagues were these in? http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10749_fantasy_vs_Jaedong http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10833_Hwasin_vs_Jaedong http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/10840_Jaedong_vs_sKyHigh http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/11154_firebathero_vs_Jaedong | ||
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ModusOperandi
Canada3 Posts
This gives me hope that SC2 will be as balanced as SC, if only because the community will step up and continually refine the map pool to make it so. | ||
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Ioannis
Greece62 Posts
TvZ sucks bigtime, it's only nice for terran players... and it's not balanced at all... GG ! :O | ||
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Quasimoto3000
United States471 Posts
it ends with the implication that 1 rax into CC was getting stale, but looking at the current form of TvZ, this build seems to be dominating. Once again, Jaedong managed to pull out an MSL win with a quick ultra build, but still, zergs are having a lot of trouble with Flash's brand of 1 rax into CC. Id love to see this article continually updated, and if anyone has histories of the other matchups too (although tvz will always be my favorite) I would be very very interested in reading about them. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On April 08 2010 01:31 Wings wrote: Though it's an old article I was glad for the bump. Hopefully this should stop the imba screamers. Can't believe that TvZ was almost 30% at one point, lol, I'm guessing that was led by JD and his mutas... What are you talking about? The graph clearly shows that TvZ - atleast statistically - is imba... | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
Against 2 hatch muta, these marines mean that you don't need as many turrets. This is risky, as seen by Flash's quick losses to Hyun, Zero, Calm, and Jaedong in late 2009 when his turret placement isn't perfect. Against 3 hatch muta, Flash uses the bigger army to deny a 3rd gas. See his games against Jaedong and Savior on Fighting Spirit in late 2009. 2 hatch muta is more popular right now, but I think that's mostly due to the fact that nearly all the top zergs are aggressive to hyper-aggressive. 3 hatch is still used and can work quite well, as seen in Effort and Action's games against Mind in December and January. | ||
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saritenite
Singapore1680 Posts
Edit - Sweet bump! didn't know it was an old thread :D | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Garada999
United States1 Post
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On April 08 2010 16:37 jalstar wrote: I think one of the biggest developments since this article is Flash's earlier second Rax in the 1 Rax CC build. He uses it to get more marines out than Terrans had with the later 2nd rax. Against 2 hatch muta, these marines mean that you don't need as many turrets. This is risky, as seen by Flash's quick losses to Hyun, Zero, Calm, and Jaedong in late 2009 when his turret placement isn't perfect. Against 3 hatch muta, Flash uses the bigger army to deny a 3rd gas. See his games against Jaedong and Savior on Fighting Spirit in late 2009. 2 hatch muta is more popular right now, but I think that's mostly due to the fact that nearly all the top zergs are aggressive to hyper-aggressive. 3 hatch is still used and can work quite well, as seen in Effort and Action's games against Mind in December and January. 3hatch has had a huge resurgence after the first Jaedong vs Flash MSL, and nowadays 2hatch isn't seen all that much anymore, which is like a complete turnaround from not-too-long-ago where ZvT was 2hatch except for Effort games. | ||
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