EPTA History of Terran vs. Zerg - Page 8
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
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Mylin
Sweden177 Posts
Interesting read aswell =) | ||
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rugmonkey
United Kingdom126 Posts
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Severedevil
United States4838 Posts
On June 06 2010 07:36 koreasilver wrote: 3hatch has had a huge resurgence after the first Jaedong vs Flash MSL, and nowadays 2hatch isn't seen all that much anymore, which is like a complete turnaround from not-too-long-ago where ZvT was 2hatch except for Effort games. I'm curious to see if builds that don't save up for the maximum possible mutas (at least, not unless the see signs of high aggression from the Terran) when the spire finishes are viable or not. You could afford significantly more larva, or earlier upgrades/hive. | ||
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DemiSe
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De4ngus
United States6533 Posts
On April 08 2010 01:31 Wings wrote: Though it's an old article I was glad for the bump. Hopefully this should stop the imba screamers. Can't believe that TvZ was almost 30% at one point, lol, I'm guessing that was led by JD and his mutas... It was ZvT, not TvZ lol. Other way around dude. No way TvZ is ever going to be that low with all the crazy things they can do to zergs. | ||
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oo_xerox
United States852 Posts
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
On June 06 2010 08:14 awu25 wrote: wow incredibly in depth analysis +100 | ||
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Altar
United States577 Posts
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Kimaker
United States2131 Posts
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Rostam
United States2552 Posts
On June 06 2010 09:01 De4ngus wrote: It was ZvT, not TvZ lol. Other way around dude. No way TvZ is ever going to be that low with all the crazy things they can do to zergs. You may want to take another gander at that graph.. | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On June 02 2009 00:16 Letmelose wrote: July versus Doggi, group stages of Gillette OSL, was the first game on air that had mutalisk stack micro. July used minerals to keep the mutalisk stacked instead of grouping them with overlords though. He was the only zerg player who was capable of doing such tricks with mutalisks until Shark figured out how to keep them permanently stacked. Can't seem to find any VODs, but this highlight video has some of the mutalisk stack micro July first showcased in his debut stage. Micro that we take for granted these days were nonexistent back when July was around, and his level of micro really was years ahead of his time. I remember watching all his moves in absolute awe. Those were the days. + Show Spoiler + a bit late here, but... july was performing sick mutalisk micro back in '04, but he was also the person that really made modern stacking known as well. I don't know about the Korean community, but it was this game that made stacking well known to the foreign scene and it caused at least a couple threads here on tl after it happened | ||
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Confuse
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zrules
United States88 Posts
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Ideas
United States8101 Posts
On June 06 2010 07:36 koreasilver wrote: 3hatch has had a huge resurgence after the first Jaedong vs Flash MSL, and nowadays 2hatch isn't seen all that much anymore, which is like a complete turnaround from not-too-long-ago where ZvT was 2hatch except for Effort games. I dont think the earlier 2nd rax has had as big of an impact in TvZ as the "mass tank late game" first popularized by fantasy vs JD on outsider from SPL finals has had. Pretty much every Terran transitions into many tanks (or even pure mech variants) in the late game now, and then there's the added strategy by flash of just taking half the map and turtling until the zerg has to leave. | ||
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Nuublet
Sweden130 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On June 07 2010 13:13 Ideas wrote: I dont think the earlier 2nd rax has had as big of an impact in TvZ as the "mass tank late game" first popularized by fantasy vs JD on outsider from SPL finals has had. Pretty much every Terran transitions into many tanks (or even pure mech variants) in the late game now, and then there's the added strategy by flash of just taking half the map and turtling until the zerg has to leave. The fast 2nd rax was definitely a paradigm shift by Flash but he stopped doing it after a while and other Terrans that tried to do the same thing just couldn't (Fantasy, for example). I definitely do agree with you that the late game mass tank transition was more important, particularly in how Flash definitely showed multiple times that by playing in such a way a 4+gas Zerg no longer seems like an unbeatable opponent. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 06 2010 09:01 De4ngus wrote: It was ZvT, not TvZ lol. Other way around dude. No way TvZ is ever going to be that low with all the crazy things they can do to zergs. Nah, when Yarnc and Lux were actually trying and not throwing games, they were pretty damn good at ZvT. For the longest time, they were considered ZvT specialists who knew jack shit about ZvP. But when 2 hatch muta first came out, these two, along with other zergs were using it like mad and Terrans had a tough time adapting. That's when you see something like near 33% win rate for TvZ. | ||
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