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A History of Terran vs. Zerg - Page 2

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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
May 29 2009 02:35 GMT
#21
On May 29 2009 11:13 n.DieJokes wrote:
Very nice articles thank you; is there any reason Jaedongs experimentations with queens were left out? Were they just not relevant enough?


Basically only Jaedong can use the Lurker/Defiler/Queen combination to any effectiveness because of just how much multitasking and raw APM it requires.

When Jaedong says he struggles to use a certain unit combination there isn't much hope for us mortals >.>
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Marine50
Profile Joined September 2007
Australia1764 Posts
May 29 2009 02:36 GMT
#22
What an informative and enjoyable read Best match up by far!
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Chau
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada408 Posts
May 29 2009 02:54 GMT
#23
Wow...just...wow.

Very nice read.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
May 29 2009 03:01 GMT
#24
Thanks for the excellent translation! Hope you do more in the future =P
VeirenT
Profile Joined August 2008
United States181 Posts
May 29 2009 03:02 GMT
#25
my goodness, i'll have to peruse this in more detail later.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 29 2009 03:07 GMT
#26
On May 29 2009 11:34 AzureEye wrote:
Do you know the total number of wins in a professional Korean sc match of Terran versus Zerg Win Ratio Statistic? Of ALL the games played of course. I remember someone posted in on TL before but I forgot the thread


PoP made a thread about requesting TLPD stats, there are some numbers somewhere in here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=82758

This translation is absolutely amazing, thanks. Does he detail anywhere how he went about making that graph?

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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
May 29 2009 03:26 GMT
#27
I'm so glad somebody finally managed to translate this article. Thank you so much for the hard work. Kim Yeon Woo is one of my favourite posters in Korean communities and this article sheds so much light on the magnitude of the effect that strategic trends has on the balance of this match up.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
May 29 2009 03:32 GMT
#28
I love you for translating this.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
May 29 2009 03:35 GMT
#29
Sweet article, thanks.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
May 29 2009 03:38 GMT
#30
Thanks for translating this, it was a splendiferous read! Very interesting, although I would've liked it to go further back in time.
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SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
May 29 2009 03:40 GMT
#31
Jaedong is like the nal_rA of Zerg.

nal_rA did Forge FE, but he was the only one good enough during his time to actually win with that build.

Jaedong did Queens, but he was the only one good enought during his time to actually win with that build.

In due time, someone will immortalize Queens.
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economist_
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Vietnam719 Posts
May 29 2009 03:48 GMT
#32
amazing, i love figures
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GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
May 29 2009 03:50 GMT
#33
Very very cool. Nice job. I especially enjoyed reading about crazy zerg, and how much savior affected the matchup
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Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
May 29 2009 04:03 GMT
#34
Wow thanks for the translation! Really nice article!
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
May 29 2009 04:12 GMT
#35
This is excellent, thank you.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
May 29 2009 04:13 GMT
#36
On May 29 2009 11:19 StRyKeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2009 11:13 n.DieJokes wrote:
Very nice articles thank you; is there any reason Jaedongs experimentations with queens were left out? Were they just not relevant enough?


I don't think that was a trend. It was certainly useful, but not useful enough for all Zergs to pick up on it and etch it into a viable build into the annals of ZvT.

Yea, I figured. I gotcha now
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n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
May 29 2009 04:14 GMT
#37
On May 29 2009 11:35 Jayme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 29 2009 11:13 n.DieJokes wrote:
Very nice articles thank you; is there any reason Jaedongs experimentations with queens were left out? Were they just not relevant enough?


Basically only Jaedong can use the Lurker/Defiler/Queen combination to any effectiveness because of just how much multitasking and raw APM it requires.

When Jaedong says he struggles to use a certain unit combination there isn't much hope for us mortals >.>

Who knows, by.Hero is apparently an APM bonjwa, if only terrans would start playing pure bio >.>
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YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
May 29 2009 04:33 GMT
#38
wow great write up
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Spanxxx
Profile Joined February 2009
United States408 Posts
May 29 2009 04:33 GMT
#39
very insightful. awesome read and thx!
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Chef
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
10810 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-29 04:53:22
May 29 2009 04:46 GMT
#40
Very cool but I'm confused.

2. December 2006 to March 2007 - Longinus and Reverse Temple, the 1rax cc


Perhaps I'm ignorant, but weren't Terran doing 1rax CC on Rush Hour 3? Maybe Rush Hour 3 was during this time and I'm just getting my chronology screwed up.

On May 29 2009 12:40 SilverSkyLark wrote:Jaedong did Queens, but he was the only one good enought during his time to actually win with that build.

In due time, someone will immortalize Queens.

Ah common. I love Jaedong too, but he only did it once. It's hard to call it a foray into Queen usage when he hasn't tried it again since.
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