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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On May 23 2009 01:26 konadora wrote: NO WHAT HAPPENED TO CENTRAL PLAINS =( Totally agree. I bet Bisu complained to KeSPA directly bisu never got proxied hatched on medusa, it was another zerg wasnt it? free i think. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On May 23 2009 10:42 Raithed wrote: bisu never got proxied hatched on medusa, it was another zerg wasnt it? free i think. im pretty sure bisu died to it also | ||
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FragKrag
United States11563 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/452/fffffu.jpg) FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU. | ||
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Mastermind
Canada7096 Posts
On May 23 2009 01:28 hasuprotoss wrote: I hate to say it. But if you get contained then you deserve to have to deal with proxy hatches... what? Maybe you should try playing pvz before you say something as ridiculous as this. Not being contained is impossible if the strat the zerg went for is a contain. That is just how that matchup works. I am not saying that they should take away the viability of proxy hatchery. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
On May 23 2009 10:42 Raithed wrote: bisu never got proxied hatched on medusa, it was another zerg wasnt it? free i think. Bisu AND free. Free got proxy hatched first On May 23 2009 11:06 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I thought Shades of Twilight looked familiar. Then I went on MSPaint and used 'Invert Colors" to make it blue. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFU. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUU- | ||
GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
On May 23 2009 11:09 Mastermind wrote: what? Maybe you should try playing pvz before you say something as ridiculous as this. Not being contained is impossible if the strat the zerg went for is a contain. That is just how that matchup works. I am not saying that they should take away the viability of proxy hatchery. I actually liked the proxy hat, because I think that it forces P to move out and attempt to gain map control a little earlier. Now I think that P has way too many options...but we'll see how it plays out. | ||
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Pioneer
994 Posts
On May 23 2009 10:00 arb wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/12086_GoRush_vs_great wait what EDIT : to add something im really glad the map is gone, as said earlier a map that only one matchup can be played on is fucking boring lol please be joking | ||
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Musoeun
United States4324 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66359 Posts
On May 23 2009 11:40 Sentenal wrote: Proxy-hatch was such a stupid/lame strategy, I'm glad they got rid of it. Now Neo Medusa isn't ruined for PvZ. It's a good strategy. Protoss played dumb for letting Zerg contain them and buy time to get the sunken contains up. | ||
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Balfazar
Australia483 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On May 23 2009 11:47 Balfazar wrote: P is contained by default early on No one forces P to Forge-FE. | ||
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Macavenger
United States1132 Posts
On May 23 2009 11:40 Sentenal wrote: Proxy-hatch was such a stupid/lame strategy, I'm glad they got rid of it. Now Neo Medusa isn't ruined for PvZ. So the ability for Zerg to easily threaten the main, nat, and min-only simultaneously in the early midgame doesn't ruin it for PvZ? People (including KeSPA) are shadowboxing at the proxyhatch when it's not really a big problem with the map. There have only been what, 2, 3 proxyhatch games? Leaving the maps PvZ record minus those something like 12-5 or 11-5? Removing proxyhatch is pretty stupid IMO, it was entertaining and not really a large contributor to the map balance. It's something Protoss would have learned to deal with after a while. I'm not sure the temple break into doom drop strategy is even possible to counter if done well. | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On a rampless map, there's no other way. You could do a 2 gateway expand, but it's much riskier and harder to pull off. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Avidkeystamper
United States8556 Posts
On May 23 2009 11:48 Macavenger wrote: So the ability for Zerg to easily threaten the main, nat, and min-only simultaneously in the early midgame doesn't ruin it for PvZ? People (including KeSPA) are shadowboxing at the proxyhatch when it's not really a big problem with the map. There have only been what, 2, 3 proxyhatch games? Leaving the maps PvZ record minus those something like 12-5 or 11-5? Removing proxyhatch is pretty stupid IMO, it was entertaining and not really a large contributor to the map balance. It's something Protoss would have learned to deal with after a while. I'm not sure the temple break into doom drop strategy is even possible to counter if done well. The temple break into doom drop strategy is the real culprit behind the supposed imbalance, and the only real counter I've seen for it is really good storming. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Like someone else said, on rampless maps, you pretty much have to Forge-FE. I mean, you can't go 1gate, since pool first builds will rape you. You maybe can go 2gate, and hope to god they don't go pool first. If they do, you are in trouble, since you can't both attack the Zerg and defend from lings running around in your main. And often times in PvZ, espeically vs Lurker strategies, you are contained until you can break out. I mean, thats just how it works. They get lurkers/scourges for obs, and some other units outside your natural, so you have to mass up, and bust out. Busting out is made much much more difficult when you include like 7 sunken colonies, a few spore colonies, and then lurkers in between them. | ||
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wishbones
Canada2600 Posts
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