I assume you have watched both Winners League matches last night (2/16, Stars vs. SKT and MBC vs. Khan), or at least know the results of each match. If not, stop reading this post NOW.
GuemChi: Your average Protoss player.... OR NEXT BONJWA?!
Who is GuemChi (Kim Seung Hyun)? Well, just click that TLPD link and find out, you silly. He is without a doubt one of the best Protoss players of our time, and has the endorsement of the veteran Stars coach.
"Kim Seung Hyun will be the new king of the Proleague." -Lee Jae Kyun
Last night, he completely destroyed the person who many people consider to be the current "bonjwa," or at least the head of the "6 Dragons."
Bisu. Kim Taek Yong.
This is indeed the Golden Age of Protoss... but soon it will be coined as The Age of GuemChi. The terrifying statistics he put up (last night) are shown in these graphs:
The monstrous win percentage that Guemchi has displayed against Bisu (last night)is 100% more than the current top Terran and Zerg players (Flash and Jaedong, respectively) .
Can anyone stop this monster? I think not.
Is Bisu a bonjwa? Apparently not, because GuemChi displayed an unreal win percentage (last night) in PvP. Even the other top "Dragon," Stork, pales in comparison to GuemChi.
Guemchi with a 100% win ratio in PvP. Bisu with a 50% win ratio in PvP. Stork with a sad, sad 0% win ratio in PvP.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure no one can stop him.
Again, the top 2 Dragons are not up to par with GuemChi. This monster went completely undefeated (last night), an amazing, astonishing feat. You tell me, does Bisu have 0 losses on that graph?
NO.
Are you convinced yet? GuemChi has taken bonjwa status at this moment. This extreme period of dominance ushered in (last night) has shocked us all, and some Bisu fans are in denial. Let me tell you straight: denial is bad. Accept the fact that GuemChi is the future of Starcraft.
These statistics totally changed my point of view.I have the same win ratio as Stork from last WL night - 0%, guess I was at about same level as him. Excellent post imo.
On February 17 2009 06:55 freelander wrote: statistics..
On February 17 2009 06:56 kawaiideshou wrote: There are three kind of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics.
On February 17 2009 06:58 FirstBorn wrote: Guemchi's programing stats make me cry.He's 18-21 so just 46.15% win rate for him. He's 4-4 this season of WL too.
On February 17 2009 06:58 FirstBorn wrote: Guemchi's programing stats make me cry.He's 18-21 so just 46.15% win rate for him. He's 4-4 this season of WL too.
Yep. He's a bonjwa alright.
<MARQUEE WIDTH="20%">Joke</MARQUEE> You guys.
I find the best way to respond to sarcasm is with sarcasm.
On February 17 2009 07:07 Fontong wrote: Also Guemchi has never been defeated in PvP on Colosseum or Neo Requiem!! In fact, Guemchi has NEVER been defeated on Neo Requiem.
On February 17 2009 06:58 FirstBorn wrote: Guemchi's programing stats make me cry.He's 18-21 so just 46.15% win rate for him. He's 4-4 this season of WL too.
On February 17 2009 07:07 rushz0rz wrote: All doubters will be put to shame when GeumChi suddenly appears in the OSL/MSL and takes the gold.
Thats right, he is going to do it, Ninja-Style. Rush in and sneak/steal the gold. He might even bring his mom for support. Beware the future bonjwa-ninja!
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
Sincerely,
Your Fellow Statistician
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not... -.-
It's true. Anything divided by zero is undefined.
But GuemChi is so good that he breaks that law and makes it equal zero.
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
Sincerely,
Your Fellow Statistician
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not... -.-
It's true. Anything divided by zero is undefined.
But GuemChi is so good that he breaks that law and makes it equal zero.
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
I just want to point out that you don't need to use the qualifier "last night" on winrate vs Bisu. Guemchi actually has a 100% winrate lifetime record vs Bisu. Guemchi is the next Bonjwa, no question about it!
On February 17 2009 09:19 oxidized wrote: I just want to point out that you don't need to use the qualifier "last night" on winrate vs Bisu. Guemchi actually has a 100% winrate lifetime record vs Bisu. Guemchi is the next Bonjwa, no question about it!
For anyone who hasn't read it, it's a humorous guide on how not to be fooled by everyday charts/data. Which a lot of people seem in dire need of (generally, not just this forum).
On a side note I liquibetted woongjin~ whoo. (although I an betting on who I think will lose)
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
Sincerely,
Your Fellow Statistician
Can't tell if it's sarcasm or not... -.-
It's true. Anything divided by zero is undefined.
But GuemChi is so good that he breaks that law and makes it equal zero.
Meant in terms of whether he was actually taking the first post seriously or not
Unfortunately, Guemchi's win rate last night against Terran and Zerg were DREADFUL. I'm not good with GraphMaker '77 or whatever the OP used, but to put it simply:
On February 17 2009 14:06 d_so wrote: geumchi can't be a hundred percent better than people with no wins cuz you can't divide by zero haha im smart!!!!!!11
On February 17 2009 14:06 d_so wrote: geumchi can't be a hundred percent better than people with no wins cuz you can't divide by zero haha im smart!!!!!!11
On February 17 2009 14:06 d_so wrote: geumchi can't be a hundred percent better than people with no wins cuz you can't divide by zero haha im smart!!!!!!11
On February 17 2009 07:50 StRyKeR wrote: Dear Realpenguin,
I commend you on your use of high-level statistics. I find myself looking at the graphs over and over again in case I missed something profound. I will present these findings to my grad school friends for further investigation.
Nonetheless, I must bring up a point which may destroy your analysis.
It is incorrect to say that Flash and Jaedong have a 0% winrate against Bisu last night.
Here, winrate, by definition, equals
(# games won against Bisu) / (# games played against Bisu).
Now, if the denominator (i.e. # games played against bisu) equals zero, you have a meaningless statistic. Ergo, the stats for Flash and Jaedong are UNDEFINED, not zero.
Please don't shit on Flash and Jaedong by using false statistics.
I must add, however, that if you wanted to keep the misleading edge of your article while preserving the persuasiveness of statistics, I urge you to change "winrate" to "win count", so that you may use the following:
Games won against bisu last night Guemchi: 1 Flash: 0 Jaedong: 0
As you can see, it's very similar to your analysis with "number of losses". Very misleading yet correct -- a perfect use of statistics.
On April 06 2009 23:41 ghostWriter wrote: Isn't Geumchi the guy who nearly beat Leta on Tau Cross and then gave the game away by losing like 20 probes to drop vulture harass?
Yeah, GuemChi was trying to show his manly penis to the world.
Damn I didn't realize this was an old post at first and I got all excited that WL was back! They really should do it again for the next proleague season. It was awesome.
Guemchi just killed Effort with Sair-DT like you haven't seen since...I don't know? Before Bisu stopped playing Starcraft and started doing something else?
The revival of the Protoss Golden Age is at hand! He just tramped over the one man who was called the greatest hope for the next generation of the Protoss race and the title holder of WL, like a Boss.
With that said, I hope Movie will rape him so hard the next time they meet that G-Dog will slump eternally.
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GuemChi (Kim Seung Hyun)? Well, just click that TLPD link and find out, you silly. He is without a doubt one of the best Protoss players of our time, and has the endorsement of the veteran Stars coach.![[image loading]](http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2615/guemchihypegj4.jpg)
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