EPTNonY Leaves Estro - Page 6
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GnomeSpeed
United States4 Posts
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koreasilver
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Archon_Wing
United States378 Posts
On February 11 2009 01:26 Loophole wrote: It's silly to try to guess at Nony's motivations for going home when you don't know anything about the situation. Yep, that's what any reasonable person would think. Unfortunately, some people on the internet tend to want to play wannabe psychologist too much.  Anyhow, it seems like Nony had a productive experience at Estro, and that's great. | ||
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RinoZerg
Australia130 Posts
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cujo2k
Canada1044 Posts
On February 11 2009 05:31 Chill wrote: I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion. I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+ | ||
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Ilvy
Germany2445 Posts
On February 11 2009 06:07 cujo2k wrote: I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+ They earn money over there, and the spot was ment to a US makes the group even smaller. He was/is the best choice  | ||
JWD
United States12607 Posts
On February 11 2009 07:26 Ilvy wrote: They earn money over there, and the spot was ment to a US makes the group even smaller. He was/is the best choice This debate over whether NonY was the "right" choice to send to Korea is silly anyway - NonY earned his spot by winning Stamina (and WCG USA). The opportunity to play in Korea was a prize for that hard work, and who are we to say what NonY should do with his own tournament winnings? | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On February 11 2009 07:29 jwd241224 wrote: This debate over whether NonY was the "right" choice to send to Korea is silly anyway - NonY earned his spot by winning Stamina (and WCG USA). The opportunity to play in Korea was a prize for that hard work, and who are we to say what NonY should do with his own tournament winnings? I don't think people realize the commitment it takes to be over in Korea - jwd you've got a lot of good points. For those who are bashing him (GnomeSpeed specifically), he was asked to drop everything - family, friends, girlfriend, job and lifestyle and move to a foreign country with a terribly difficult language to learn (opinion here), a completely different culture, a different way of life with practicing SC all day and a lot of pressure on him. He tried - and we don't know exactly why he left still. All we know is that he had personal reasons for leaving. Good luck in the future NonY, I hope you do well in life. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Drazzzt
Germany999 Posts
On February 11 2009 17:47 iG.ClouD wrote: sigh I can imagine that you are the one disappointed the most. At least you should have all right being disappointed. As you might (!) have been the second on the list. Anyways, good luck to all in contestants in the future. | ||
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errol1001
454 Posts
and move to a foreign country with a terribly difficult language to learn (opinion here) Actually I don't think korean is that hard to learn. Not near chinese or japanese anyway. Regardless, they (ie. Idra or Nony) don't have near the time to really pick it up, because of what they are there for. | ||
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Boonbag
France3318 Posts
Korea is ultimately very close to western society. It's not like he went living in south india country side or what else. It's fairly sad tho, the guy seemed very good. I think he was too old tho. It's really hard at this age to just sit there and think you're going to make your life out of playing a game, unless you're somewhat involved on various levels within this same industry. On a side note, the way it is nowadays is very different, and going for pro gaming almost looks like going to fucking jail. Grrrr... left for korea because he was bored to death in Quebec and was free in Korea. I went so I wouldn't have to deal with my family and be free.. Elky and smuft went there to be pro gamers and ultimately had great fun, clubbing, dating, renting their own places, finding their own pc rooms... basically "living". At last, I might be wrong on this, but I don't understand how one could be thinking to be able to compete with some of the Korean players beeing 15 or 16 and playing the game since they're like 8 or 9. I'm sure Idra and Nony are able to win games etc.. but like, nowadays, the starcraft machines we see winning in individual leagues.. come on o_O their level is just something not reachable unless you come from the same kind of SC diet they've been in for as long as they can remember. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote: You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro.... ..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer..... So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University... Are u sure 1000 times better pay than progamer? Prolly he can get is same pay as B team at the start but will never reach A team and S class paycheck. Unless high position which pays like 20k so its equal A class gamers monthly pay only. Not to mention prize and bonuses. | ||
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hooktits
United States972 Posts
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On February 12 2009 01:47 Baddieko wrote: Are u sure 1000 times better pay than progamer? Prolly he can get is same pay as B team at the start but will never reach A team and S class paycheck. Unless high position which pays like 20k so its equal A class gamers monthly pay only. Not to mention prize and bonuses. The chances of him ever becoming so good to be able to earn that much is very slim, so if hes after money he has better chances doing what he can after Duke graduate. Becoming a professional starcraft player because of money is stupid. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
1) Language barrier : In korea harder to communicate than in China as they close out other languages. Pretty a closed economy country who survive on self production. Even china/japan learn english aggressively now. 2) Skill : Going 30-40% in Estro B-team (and its Estro 1 of the lowest sc team but boast the strongest cs team) won't gurantee a good future, he think probably be stuck there for long like the other players playing internal league starcraft. For a 5 digit paycheck at least need to be in A-team. With his cert he figure out better to be in US than trying to chase the paycheck which is nearly impossible. Outstanding players usually straightaway rape the B team and get promoted, 75-80% winning rate vs them. So in Korea NonY figures out in order to be outstanding he needs more than a year and he might turn out not be outstanding afterall. It turned into a gamble. Hell even stork took 1 yr to regularly be on TV. 3) Gf 4) Culture : Asian system is rigid where u study much and work hard for your life. Its the same mindset in progaming. Korea, compared to other first world asian countries is still very traditional in this culture. Hell, the girls dont even have status there yet. The intense training made NonY rethink his options. He is no longer in America where he wakes up on noon and pretty do anything u like. | ||
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Born)Slippy
Norway1904 Posts
Anyway, best of luck to you, Nony. It's always great to see foreigners going to South Korea, and always sad to see them go. You gave us a great time of it while you were there, that's the most important part. | ||
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Puosu
6985 Posts
On February 12 2009 02:15 Baddieko wrote: The most obvious reasons Nony leaves: 1) Language barrier : In korea harder to communicate than in China as they close out other languages. Pretty a closed economy country who survive on self production. Even china/japan learn english aggressively now. 2) Skill : Going 30-40% in Estro B-team (and its Estro 1 of the lowest sc team but boast the strongest cs team) won't gurantee a good future, he think probably be stuck there for long like the other players playing internal league starcraft. For a 5 digit paycheck at least need to be in A-team. With his cert he figure out better to be in US than trying to chase the paycheck which is nearly impossible. Outstanding players usually straightaway rape the B team and get promoted, 75-80% winning rate vs them. So in Korea NonY figures out in order to be outstanding he needs more than a year and he might turn out not be outstanding afterall. It turned into a gamble. Hell even stork took 1 yr to regularly be on TV. 3) Gf 4) Culture : Asian system is rigid where u study much and work hard for your life. Its the same mindset in progaming. Korea, compared to other first world asian countries is still very traditional in this culture. Hell, the girls dont even have status there yet. The intense training made NonY rethink his options. He is no longer in America where he wakes up on noon and pretty do anything u like. e-STRO as a counter-strike team is not "the best", its competitive yes but they are far away in skill when compared to europe or US based teams. And no, the A-teamers don't fly from the B-teams faster than others, at least not in every case. Where did you even hear about this? Many of them have been in B-teams or going to the courage for a nice time before achieving anything, for example Flash was bought by KTF from WeMade's B-team, obviously wemade wouldn't have left him go if he was showing something special at that point already. | ||
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Baddieko
Singapore855 Posts
On February 12 2009 02:44 Puosu wrote: e-STRO as a counter-strike team is not "the best", its competitive yes but they are far away in skill when compared to europe or US based teams. And no, the A-teamers don't fly from the B-teams faster than others, at least not in every case. Where did you even hear about this? Many of them have been in B-teams or going to the courage for a nice time before achieving anything, for example Flash was bought by KTF from WeMade's B-team, obviously wemade wouldn't have left him go if he was showing something special at that point already. Of course i am talking about Korea. For FPS games definitely US and North-west europe much stronger. But Estro is best in Korea in terms of CS. Asian CS team never made it pass R016 in any world wide tourney but this time Estro proved it. I am saying to go to A-team u need like a year. Jaedong, Flash and Stork all took 1 year and they were outstanding and raping B team. I believe NonY's ultimate aim is to appear in TV like them but looking at examples around him in Estro plus his winning rate he figure out his slim chances. | ||
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selboN
United States2523 Posts
On February 11 2009 23:58 Boonbag wrote: To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about. Korea is ultimately very close to western society. Moronic post. Don't know what "Western" society you're living in. But personally I've never even seen a PC room. Our e-sports is not anywhere near the level that theirs is on. I mean c'mon, also the language barrier? I can speak to anyone I please over here, for the most part. Who can NonY speak to? Artosis, Tastless, and sometimes IdrA? | ||
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