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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On February 09 2009 10:36 Artosis wrote:FULL INTERVIEWexcerpt: Artosis: What about the eSTRO team? Was it just too hard to deal with the Korean way and language barriers? NonY: The eSTRO team was great. The Korean way was definitely difficult but it wasn't too difficult. I was getting better every day. And despite the language barrier, I could still accomplish the two most important things: discussing strategy and making friends. It's because the eSTRO team is full of great guys.
I can't believe i missed the shit tornado that was the original thread - it's been closed. Good Luck Tyler - if your gut tells you it's the right decision to make then you should go for it.
Say something nice, or at LEAST constructive you donkeys. I'm just not going to do anything for the next 3 weeks except watch this thread and ban as necessary.
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
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Nony, it was great having someone to cheer for, too bad you have to (or want to) leave. We'd all love to have an explanation, but you're under no obligation to give it. Oh, and one very important question:
Do you have any replays to share from estro?
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;_;
I respect NonY for giving it his best, sometimes I guess it doesn't work out.
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Aw man, sorry to hear Nony. Hopefully you have good luck in whatever the future holds for ya.
Though, it would be nice to have a reason for it. Not necessary, just nice.
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Belgium6771 Posts
From what I've seen Tyler is one hell of a great guy
keep it up man!
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On February 10 2009 08:07 Xeofreestyler wrote:
From what I've seen Tyler is one hell of a great guy
keep it up man!
+1
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What a sad day 
still <3 you man
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Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread!
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sorry it didn't work out nony, good luck with your future endeavors
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I said it before and I'll say it again.
Love ya nony.
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You gotta do what you gotta do. Good luck to you NonY!
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Wow... this is sad.
Sorry to hear it NonY. GL HF in future. I look forward to seeing you on a Western SC2 pro team 
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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I think in some ways Nony was also living the TL dream of seeing a foreigner play in Korea. Thats why everyone is so disappointed.
Anyways GL to Nony.
Go Idra, you're our only hope now.
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Well, some sad news, but at least NoNy is getting some experience that no much SC players have, and sure will get profit of it in the nearly future
See ya around Tyler
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On February 10 2009 08:10 emucxg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 08:07 Xeofreestyler wrote:
From what I've seen Tyler is one hell of a great guy
keep it up man! +1
Couldn't agree more.
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sad to see you leave korea, but looking forward to seeing you play at events.
NONY Fighting!!!
and gz to Idra for sticking it out, gl hf
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This is incredibly disappointing news.
I think its safe to say that this decision is not due to a lack of work ethic or a lack of skill. Nony's training regiment before joining eStro was impressive. It was self-evident at the US finals for the World Cyber Games.
Taking second at courage on the first run out is also astounding. I know that you don't feel like your skill drastically improved nony, but that's an incredible accomplishment for such a short time in korea.
I believe that the lack of esports in the US which necessitated the return in the first place is the true tragedy behind this event.
Ultimately this just inspires me to push for the continued advancement of esports so that distance from home combined with "personal problems" doesn't lead to the exit from the professional scene for those with great potential.
I hope things work out so that you can return soon nony.
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A sad day for foreign scene, but it's his life, and with staying in korea, he prolly loses more important stuff in US that matters more in the rest of his life. And guess he realized that life is more than playing everyday to try surpass players that are more experienced and do exactly the same as you. Will take time. But why go to korea, if you change your mind so quick? :o
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On February 10 2009 08:19 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread!
I agree with all of the things you just said. So many people are bashing NonY on other SC sites, which is ridiculous. It sucks that NonY has to go back to the states, but what he has done in Korea was amazing.
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Everyone saying Nony let them down needs to learn a little thing about priorities. Nony doesn't owe us anything and real life should always take precedence over what people online say/think about him, so good for him.
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nony do he want
no say who nony do
nony no korea kk
nony life
havae
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On February 10 2009 08:51 Highways wrote:
I think in some ways Nony was also living the TL dream of seeing a foreigner play in Korea. Thats why everyone is so disappointed.
Anyways GL to Nony.
Go Idra, you're our only hope now.
I agree with this since he was somewhat representing us that is why everyone is so upset. I mean I am not totally surprised if he was engaged and also was planning on continuing his education sooner then later. I just think you need to seriously think of these factors before you actually commit to go doing something so serious.
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Hope you succeed in what ever you do! GL
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
On February 10 2009 09:31 Hazz wrote:
Everyone saying Nony let them down needs to learn a little thing about priorities. Nony doesn't owe us anything and real life should always take precedence over what people online say/think about him, so good for him.
I fully agree, apart from the insulting kids it's the people acting like Nony owes them anything who annoy me the most.
Sure, people have every right to be disappointed, but that's about it.
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United States11637 Posts
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United States12607 Posts
NonY, I'll always be your fan and I'm glad that you gave it your all in Korea. I understand that being away from your family/potential career/girlfriend/home country must have been difficult and I really respect that you tried.
I hope you stick with eSports! I'd love to see you heading up a USA SC2 team.
GLHF! And ignore the flames...anyone who trashes you for "giving up" just doesn't know how hard the progamer's life must be.
Also, I'm glad some other posters have pointed this out: even leaving Korea now, you've already accomplished tons for the USA/foreign SC scene. 1st in Stamina, a good performance at WCG USA/WCG, helping eSTRO perform in the PL, and of course your epic Courage placement. Well done, man!
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I remember about two years ago, I watched you and Day[9] commentate the famous (or infamous) Bisu vs Savior series on youtube. At the end of the video I saw the picture with Teamliquid on it and I was like, "what's that??" A quick google search and the rest for me is starcraft history. Anyways, from the moment I saw your fpvods I felt like you were something special and I know now that you had the potential to do really, really well in Korea. Whatever your reasons for coming back to the United States, know that you gave me this fantasy that somebody with talent and drive could put their life on hold and become a pro-gamer living the dream in Korea. But in actuality, I'm sure you made the right decision. After all, you know your life far better than any of us do. Just know that I really appreciate the efforts you made.
GL NONY and stay strong!
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I don't think people are insinuating that Nony owes them anything. I, for one, am disappointed -- I'm afraid that we'll never see a foreigner compete on a top level in Korea. After Nony's courage performance, everyone had enormous expectations. We thought for sure he'd win his way into the A team and make it to televised matches in 2009. For that to no longer be a possibility leaves disappointment. I'm not BLAMING Nony for his decision, I'm just regretful that things turned out this way.
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This is disappointing to hear. It's always nice to cheer for a foreigner in Korea and, in my opinion, the more the merrier! Oh well, I'm sure you had your reasons. To the haters, try to understand that situations can arise that take priority over one's dreams. We live in the real world, we can't just blindly follow our dreams forever. I guess Idra will keep the foreign hope alive over there.
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I always hope for a new Grrr.... (3 r's 4 dots?) to show up, and I had a dream.. I had a dream.. GL NonY, it's always exciting when foreigners go to korea.
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Yes Nony does not owe the individual us anything. But I find it hard to argue that he does not owe the universal us something. Please don't think I am implying he should have stayed when all reasons point otherwise, but I believe we deserve more than "I am leaving Korea".
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Good luck with everything Nony...
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Training to become a pro-gamer must be tough. I hope it was a good experience for you.
Think of it as an extended vacation =) Go NonY!
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Katowice25012 Posts
You're still my favorite foreigner Nony, best of luck in whatever the future holds!
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On February 10 2009 10:34 yunicyarblejellythou wrote:
Yes Nony does not owe the individual us anything. But I find it hard to argue that he does not owe the universal us something. Please don't think I am implying he should have stayed when all reasons point otherwise, but I believe we deserve more than "I am leaving Korea".
No, we want more than "I am leaving Korea". It's his life to live and as such any information he or EStro gives is what is deemed as what the community has deserved, and after how many people have flung fecal matter around for his leaving, it's obvious that the community got what it deserved.
Good luck in your future endeavours Nony, hope all is well for you and hope to see your name still in the scene!
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On February 10 2009 09:27 zoLo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 08:19 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread! I agree with all of the things you just said. So many people are bashing NonY on other SC sites, which is ridiculous. It sucks that NonY has to go back to the states, but what he has done in Korea was amazing. He was there for a month and did well in an easy courage. That is not "amazing" whatsoever...
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
the estro house is heated through the floor. the floor heat is ridiculously high. our room is an oven. nony discovered a way to regulate the room temperature. he would watch it throughout his day in the estro house, and we would sleep in the most amazingly temperature controlled room in korea.
now that he's gone, so is his dedication to correcting room temperature, and the secret of just how its done. now i wake up every morning dehydrated again.
i miss nony~ t.T!
really best to him, he did great here.
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Osaka27149 Posts
On February 10 2009 11:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 09:27 zoLo wrote:On February 10 2009 08:19 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread! I agree with all of the things you just said. So many people are bashing NonY on other SC sites, which is ridiculous. It sucks that NonY has to go back to the states, but what he has done in Korea was amazing. He was there for a month and did well in an easy courage. That is not "amazing" whatsoever...
This is the second time you are ripping on Nony. Keep it up.
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Artosis why do you play with your food like that?
Nony wherever you are, I wish you better luck than that puppy.
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On February 10 2009 11:55 Artosis wrote:
the estro house is heated through the floor. the floor heat is ridiculously high. our room is an oven. nony discovered a way to regulate the room temperature. he would watch it throughout his day in the estro house, and we would sleep in the most amazingly temperature controlled room in korea.
now that he's gone, so is his dedication to correcting room temperature, and the secret of just how its done. now i wake up every morning dehydrated again.
i miss nony~ t.T!
really best to him, he did great here.
haha gosu temp control. Too bad Nony had to leave Korea. gl in the future nony
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I think part of the problem for us is that we'd have liked to hear from Nony directly about the exact rationale for his leaving. I understand that it's personal, but you know, overall people feel like it's owed to them, even when it isn't.
I don't know why he left, but he definitely had a good reason to do it.
Overall I feel that everybody really put a lot of expectations on Nony that may have been unrealistic or unwarranted, and to feel "let down" that he decided not to continue in eSTRO is probably natural given the community's overall huge support of Nony. Still, as a community we need to be rational and realize that Nony is not obligated to become a progamer just for us. And yes, he did finish second at his first Courage, and he did say in interviews that he had the dedication to go pro and the dream to win an OSL, but you know, sometimes people change, sometimes things just aren't the way you thought it'd be, and sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.
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This doesn't change my + Show Spoiler [feelings] + one bit.
(I am hoping I get to see him play SC2 tho... fans just like to see pwnage. It's in our nature.)
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I just hope his choice is one that he'll be able to look back on and be happy with. He seems like a smart guy so I trust that he made the right choice, must have been something pretty serious to make him do this.
In the end, hope everything works out for the best for Tyler.
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that's his decision so i think he's right.
as he said, even he didn't improve by a huge amount, he's still the best foreigner of all time (or at least for me) so i wish him all the best in his future
hope he'll be back soon
gg gl hf, nony
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Like a lot of others here, I'm just disappointed that Nony is leaving so "early." He made an amazing feat at his first courage, and he's shown he definitely has what it takes. I still have some hope that he will go back to eSTRO or another team.
At least Idra is already a progamer, ready to show Korea what non-Korean Starcraft players can do.
On February 10 2009 11:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 09:27 zoLo wrote:On February 10 2009 08:19 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread! I agree with all of the things you just said. So many people are bashing NonY on other SC sites, which is ridiculous. It sucks that NonY has to go back to the states, but what he has done in Korea was amazing. He was there for a month and did well in an easy courage. That is not "amazing" whatsoever...
Oh you're so cool, aren't you 
lol courage 2 ez
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I had a lot of hopes for NonY, but I can see why he would have to return to USA.
Idra fighting! The undisputed #1 foreign TvZ player.
IMO the biggest reason proteam actively seek out younger player isn't because they are more skilled. Younger players have less life commitment so they don't have to worry as much about army, marriage, family, and/or long term career. Surprise no one mention that yet.
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Now that NonY is out of Korea, I'm expecting NonY to return and dominate the foreigner scene (excluding Korea and China). 
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 10 2009 11:13 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2009 09:27 zoLo wrote:On February 10 2009 08:19 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Wow, those angry Germans were entertaining, I immigrated to Canada at the age of 2 so I have European parents and culture, but boxerfan, if you are arguing with a person you don't know because of something he said about European gamers then you must be very insecure about your country and your heritage. stop saying random irrelevent things and
talking
like
this.
As for NonY, He has Duke, a girlfriend, and a family in America, it's perfectly normal for him to go back and live his life without so many constraints as it would have in Korea. I can't stand when people feel let down by someone who owes them nothing. Good Luck NonY in whatever you pursue, I'm sure that you have enough dedication and intelligence to succeed in whatever you attempt.
edit: wow im lost, new thread! I agree with all of the things you just said. So many people are bashing NonY on other SC sites, which is ridiculous. It sucks that NonY has to go back to the states, but what he has done in Korea was amazing. He was there for a month and did well in an easy courage. That is not "amazing" whatsoever...
dude
where do you get off calling his courage 'easy'? You're calling it easy because he got to the final and he's a white guy. I know this because I am damn sure you know NOTHING about the players that were in nony's courage run and their respective skill levels. You have no idea how other foreigners would fare in the same tournament, you can't even see the games.
if you keep talking out of your ass, you're going to get banned. smarten the fuck up.
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On February 10 2009 12:00 Jumperer wrote:
Nony will go pro at poker next.
wtf, who is this man and why does he have a carrier?
But I agree with the prediction.
hmm, now that I think of it. Your prediction skills lead me to believe that you won a Liquibet season.
BoT, I don't really care if Nony stays or goes. I'm just curious what exactly 'personal reasons' are. Vague interview FTL.
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Valhalla18444 Posts
On February 10 2009 16:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:wtf, who is this man and why does he have a carrier? But I agree with the prediction. hmm, now that I think of it. Your prediction skills lead me to believe that you won a Liquibet season.
okay let's examine your logic here chuck
you think he is good at predicting things, therefore assume he won a liquibet season
you agree with his prediction that nony will go pro at poker
you have never won a liquibet season
is there a disconnect here or is it just me
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On February 10 2009 16:55 CharlieMurphy wrote:wtf, who is this man and why does he have a carrier? But I agree with the prediction. hmm, now that I think of it. Your prediction skills lead me to believe that you won a Liquibet season. BoT, I don't really care if Nony stays or goes. I'm just curious what exactly 'personal reasons' are. Vague interview FTL.
He won the most innovative play in a tournament.. I think it was the Manifesto Race Warz or something... with some pimp shuttle play.. droppin dts and probes.. buildin pylons to block units to gettin back to the Ts base.. something like that
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I don't know what NonY is going to do, but he's a cool guy and I'm pretty sure he would not leave Korea and his dream for nothing. I'm pretty sure he either has a bigger dream (maybe marrying his girlfriend :-) ?) or some problems. I can't and won't judge. I hope its not a bad news for him. Good luck to you Tyler. You are a great guy.
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Hm this is something I didn't expect to tell you the truth. Oh well I'm sure he had a good reason.
GL in your future endeavors, NonY.
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Nony , great job you set out to make it to korea and did so!
In what... a year and a half you climbed the entire non-korean scene, which although doesn't compare the korean scene ... is pretty fucking hard .... I mean come on how long have the same 3 guys ran it ....
You entertained me for hours with your tournament games. Thanks for all those hours of entertainment and I hope you got to make this choice and not life.
In your interview you said something to the effect of keeping your same skill. Please get A on iccup and make USA look pimp .
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GL NonY props to making it so far
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
lmao 'he will go pro poker'
wat
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lol @ courage being easy.......... dude you cant even finish top 16 at a wcg let alone second in courage.............. courage tourney is harder then any countries wcg id have to say and youd have chance in 0
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at wcg i wished nony the best of luck for his time in korea. although he didn't pass courage, i think he did well under the circumstances. gl in the future nony!
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good luck at everything you do, nony
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Sad to see you go so soon after a promising start but i wish you good luck with your life
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This is really depressing, like I already said.
So little hope for foreigners making it big in Korea now D:
BTW, can we NOT let this thread turn into "lol omg at leest we haz idra guise!"
Idra's cool and all (in my opinion), but this thread isn't about him. It's about NonY.
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so disappointing..... i remember like 1 month ago you said that you really want to succeed and play a proleague match.
How can that strong wish get overcome by other reasons in just 1 month?
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maybe it was planned to be a fun vacation time and nice experience for a month or two. How about that? But so many people started having expectations, put their progaming dream on that person and thought hes gonna represent foreign scene.
in case it was planned and college, girlfriend, life > progaming. Then why not let someone else go, a person who would stay and try.
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and maybe he came over with the intention of starting nuclear war with north korea?
lets see what other wild bullshit we can pull out of our asses to make him seem like a bad guy!~
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On February 10 2009 22:20 IdrA wrote:
and maybe he came over with the intention of starting nuclear war with north korea?
lets see what other wild bullshit we can pull out of our asses to make him seem like a bad guy!~
to handsome for beeing bad
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I'm disapointed, but I can't blame him for his decisions. He knows himself best.
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Foreigners just can't make it in Korea. Sad but true. Still it must have been a nice adventure.
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You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University...
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On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University...
You do realize top tier progamers makes a lot of money, right?
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On February 11 2009 00:11 TrainReq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University... You do realize top tier progamers makes a lot of money, right?
Yes..... hell, BoxeR made 6 figures (in US dollars) at one point annually in his life of progaming... how the hell would I not know that? But for NonY to become a top progamer... well I can see him as a popular favorite but not as a top and besides, think about it, a job where you get like 50k every year plus raises later on vs one good year of 6 figures (if you're really lucky too) after a series of like 4 figures or less amounts of money...... and then go down with your salary again after your fame disappears and you go on a slump... (I'm talking in US dollar btw)
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Braavos36375 Posts
On February 11 2009 00:11 TrainReq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University... You do realize top tier progamers makes a lot of money, right?
sure, the top 10 make "a lot" of money, but even then the salary, when taking in security and hours, really isn't that much. every field's top .01% makes a lot, but the average progamer makes very little, comparable to fast food over here.
while i don't agree with the emphasis the other guy puts on the school he attended, it's obviously much easier to make a living doing a normal job.
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On February 10 2009 22:18 Pafnucy wrote:
maybe it was planned to be a fun vacation time and nice experience for a month or two. How about that? But so many people started having expectations, put their progaming dream on that person and thought hes gonna represent foreign scene.
in case it was planned and college, girlfriend, life > progaming. Then why not let someone else go, a person who would stay and try.
some of you are absofuckinglutely braindead.
Jesus christ its not his fault you guys look up to bw players and are shattered when things dont turn out the way you envisioned them in your fairytale. WHy not let someone else go? How many fucking times does it need to be said that its not like other people havent had the chance to go. Fuck why dont you go and go play in courage yourself and maybe get picked up by a pro team? Or shop yourself around? I really doubt theres this plethora of players who are "good" and want to go but are being held at arms length by some mysterious korean hand that says only so and so can go and if you go no one else can go.
Fuck off.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On February 10 2009 22:18 Pafnucy wrote:
maybe it was planned to be a fun vacation time and nice experience for a month or two. How about that? But so many people started having expectations, put their progaming dream on that person and thought hes gonna represent foreign scene.
in case it was planned and college, girlfriend, life > progaming. Then why not let someone else go, a person who would stay and try.
A lot of people have flamed you saying that you're simply assuming the worst about Nony, which isn't cool. But the real reason your post is dumb is because no one plans a "fun vacation time" in which they're working for 10-12 hours a day.
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It's silly to try to guess at Nony's motivations for going home when you don't know anything about the situation. Leaving early doesn't mean he didn't consider all the factors before he went, or that he somehow underestimated the commitment that would be needed. Shit happens, things change. Something may have come up that he couldn't have foreseen.
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On February 10 2009 22:18 Pafnucy wrote:
maybe it was planned to be a fun vacation time and nice experience for a month or two. How about that? But so many people started having expectations, put their progaming dream on that person and thought hes gonna represent foreign scene.
in case it was planned and college, girlfriend, life > progaming. Then why not let someone else go, a person who would stay and try.
Dude. Shit happens.
Anyways, best of luck to Nony and I hope to see him in the foreigner scene in the future.
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I pointed out one possibility, I'm sorry for doing so, excuse me. People overly excited about Nony who had expectations and shit could bear the fact he left Estro more lightly if they thought about this possibility.
Good job on getting angry about me hating Nony. Reread original post and notice how hostile it was!
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On February 11 2009 02:06 Pafnucy wrote:
I pointed out one possibility, I'm sorry for doing so, excuse me. People overly excited about Nony who had expectations and shit could bear the fact he left Estro more lightly if they thought about this possibility.
Good job on getting angry about me hating Nony. Reread original post and notice how hostile it was!
you could possibly be a tranny posting from the bottom of the ocean. Who cares.
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Braavos36375 Posts
On February 11 2009 02:06 Pafnucy wrote:
I pointed out one possibility, I'm sorry for doing so, excuse me. People overly excited about Nony who had expectations and shit could bear the fact he left Estro more lightly if they thought about this possibility.
Good job on getting angry about me hating Nony. Reread original post and notice how hostile it was!
you basically implied that Nony deceived eStro and really didn't care about progaming, but rather wanted to go to korea for a vacation, and that they were better off picking someone else who "would actually try." that's as negative as it gets, far more hostile and insulting than the others simply flaming him, because they at least didn't question his intentions in the beginning or make it seem like he planned to quit all along.
here is another possibility: you are an idiot.
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People hate on Idra, but he's the only one with the heart to stick with it. He may be abrasive, but he has my respect.
Now with Daniel Lee out of the picture and SC2's imminent release, I doubt we will see anymore foreigners going to Korea.
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I hope to see you in SC2, Nony, you have what it takes! Good luck in RL.
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GL with whatever you'll do in your life, you seem like a really nice person. Personnally, the video where you went to the finals at Courage got me more excited than alot of OSL/MSL finals between pro-gamers.
It's your desicion but it's sad to see another foreigner leaving Korea :S
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All I can say is I'm disappointed.
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On February 11 2009 02:16 Hot_Bid wrote:
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here is another possibility: you are an idiot.
+1
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Nony can do whatever he wants to do, if he wants to go back because of some personal reasons then its his decision and we have no right to start negatively criticizing his actions. I will always cheer for him and I hope everything is all right with him, nothing too serious or so. Nony Fighting!!
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we want an interview
how was it there, what did he enjoy, what he did not...
give sex :D
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He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion.
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On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion.
obviously he didn't plan on leaving after a few months when he first went there, and theres no way to anticipate missing home, the practice conditions, etc without actually experiencing it.
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i haven't been following much of this stuff, but still wanna wish Nony GL he's a good guy =]
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He has a good life in the USA. I think it was easy to anticipate missing family, friends, girlfriends, sex, girls, good food. I just think he underestimated the commitment.
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On February 11 2009 05:11 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion. obviously he didn't plan on leaving after a few months when he first went there, and theres no way to anticipate missing home, the practice conditions, etc without actually experiencing it.
I wonder if he tried kai-bi there.....in my opinion, thats more then or equal to everything he left behind
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On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion.
I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion.
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Nony still owes me a game of team melee
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Then i guess my definition of passion is incorrect.
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Passion (from the Latin verb patior, meaning to suffer or to endure, also related to compatible)
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I dunno about you fellows, but fiance > game for me.
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On February 11 2009 01:26 Loophole wrote:
It's silly to try to guess at Nony's motivations for going home when you don't know anything about the situation.
Yep, that's what any reasonable person would think. Unfortunately, some people on the internet tend to want to play wannabe psychologist too much.
Anyhow, it seems like Nony had a productive experience at Estro, and that's great.
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Good luck in the future Nony. I hope everything works out for you when you get back home.
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On February 11 2009 05:31 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion. I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion.
I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+
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On February 11 2009 06:07 cujo2k wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 05:31 Chill wrote:On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion. I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion. I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+
They earn money over there, and the spot was ment to a US makes the group even smaller.
He was/is the best choice
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On February 11 2009 07:26 Ilvy wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 06:07 cujo2k wrote:On February 11 2009 05:31 Chill wrote:On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion. I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion. I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+ They earn money over there, and the spot was ment to a US makes the group even smaller. He was/is the best choice
This debate over whether NonY was the "right" choice to send to Korea is silly anyway - NonY earned his spot by winning Stamina (and WCG USA). The opportunity to play in Korea was a prize for that hard work, and who are we to say what NonY should do with his own tournament winnings?
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On February 11 2009 07:29 jwd241224 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 07:26 Ilvy wrote:On February 11 2009 06:07 cujo2k wrote:On February 11 2009 05:31 Chill wrote:On February 11 2009 05:09 GnomeSpeed wrote:
He shouldn't have gone in the first place if he didn't plan on gutting it out. Just a spot taken from someone with passion. I'm confident there aren't more than 10 people playing StarCraft who have Nony's passion. I hope you're not including korea when you say that..Im guessing youre not though +_+ They earn money over there, and the spot was ment to a US makes the group even smaller. He was/is the best choice This debate over whether NonY was the "right" choice to send to Korea is silly anyway - NonY earned his spot by winning Stamina (and WCG USA). The opportunity to play in Korea was a prize for that hard work, and who are we to say what NonY should do with his own tournament winnings?
I don't think people realize the commitment it takes to be over in Korea - jwd you've got a lot of good points.
For those who are bashing him (GnomeSpeed specifically), he was asked to drop everything - family, friends, girlfriend, job and lifestyle and move to a foreign country with a terribly difficult language to learn (opinion here), a completely different culture, a different way of life with practicing SC all day and a lot of pressure on him. He tried - and we don't know exactly why he left still. All we know is that he had personal reasons for leaving.
Good luck in the future NonY, I hope you do well in life.
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On February 11 2009 17:47 iG.ClouD wrote:
sigh
I can imagine that you are the one disappointed the most. At least you should have all right being disappointed. As you might (!) have been the second on the list.
Anyways, good luck to all in contestants in the future.
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and move to a foreign country with a terribly difficult language to learn (opinion here)
Actually I don't think korean is that hard to learn. Not near chinese or japanese anyway.
Regardless, they (ie. Idra or Nony) don't have near the time to really pick it up, because of what they are there for.
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To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about.
Korea is ultimately very close to western society.
It's not like he went living in south india country side or what else.
It's fairly sad tho, the guy seemed very good. I think he was too old tho. It's really hard at this age to just sit there and think you're going to make your life out of playing a game, unless you're somewhat involved on various levels within this same industry.
On a side note, the way it is nowadays is very different, and going for pro gaming almost looks like going to fucking jail.
Grrrr... left for korea because he was bored to death in Quebec and was free in Korea.
I went so I wouldn't have to deal with my family and be free..
Elky and smuft went there to be pro gamers and ultimately had great fun, clubbing, dating, renting their own places, finding their own pc rooms... basically "living".
At last, I might be wrong on this, but I don't understand how one could be thinking to be able to compete with some of the Korean players beeing 15 or 16 and playing the game since they're like 8 or 9.
I'm sure Idra and Nony are able to win games etc.. but like, nowadays, the starcraft machines we see winning in individual leagues.. come on o_O their level is just something not reachable unless you come from the same kind of SC diet they've been in for as long as they can remember.
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On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University...
Are u sure 1000 times better pay than progamer? Prolly he can get is same pay as B team at the start but will never reach A team and S class paycheck. Unless high position which pays like 20k so its equal A class gamers monthly pay only. Not to mention prize and bonuses.
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gl broseph... USA!!! USA!!! USA!!!! ^^
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On February 12 2009 01:47 Baddieko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University... Are u sure 1000 times better pay than progamer? Prolly he can get is same pay as B team at the start but will never reach A team and S class paycheck. Unless high position which pays like 20k so its equal A class gamers monthly pay only. Not to mention prize and bonuses.
The chances of him ever becoming so good to be able to earn that much is very slim, so if hes after money he has better chances doing what he can after Duke graduate.
Becoming a professional starcraft player because of money is stupid.
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The most obvious reasons Nony leaves:
1) Language barrier : In korea harder to communicate than in China as they close out other languages. Pretty a closed economy country who survive on self production. Even china/japan learn english aggressively now.
2) Skill : Going 30-40% in Estro B-team (and its Estro 1 of the lowest sc team but boast the strongest cs team) won't gurantee a good future, he think probably be stuck there for long like the other players playing internal league starcraft. For a 5 digit paycheck at least need to be in A-team. With his cert he figure out better to be in US than trying to chase the paycheck which is nearly impossible. Outstanding players usually straightaway rape the B team and get promoted, 75-80% winning rate vs them. So in Korea NonY figures out in order to be outstanding he needs more than a year and he might turn out not be outstanding afterall. It turned into a gamble. Hell even stork took 1 yr to regularly be on TV.
3) Gf
4) Culture : Asian system is rigid where u study much and work hard for your life. Its the same mindset in progaming. Korea, compared to other first world asian countries is still very traditional in this culture. Hell, the girls dont even have status there yet. The intense training made NonY rethink his options. He is no longer in America where he wakes up on noon and pretty do anything u like.
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I love how some people - who tend towards being raised or indoctrinated with American capitalist culture - define success or failure, or commitment or lack thereof, in terms of paychecks and digits and career plans.
Anyway, best of luck to you, Nony. It's always great to see foreigners going to South Korea, and always sad to see them go. You gave us a great time of it while you were there, that's the most important part.
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On February 12 2009 02:15 Baddieko wrote:
The most obvious reasons Nony leaves:
1) Language barrier : In korea harder to communicate than in China as they close out other languages. Pretty a closed economy country who survive on self production. Even china/japan learn english aggressively now.
2) Skill : Going 30-40% in Estro B-team (and its Estro 1 of the lowest sc team but boast the strongest cs team) won't gurantee a good future, he think probably be stuck there for long like the other players playing internal league starcraft. For a 5 digit paycheck at least need to be in A-team. With his cert he figure out better to be in US than trying to chase the paycheck which is nearly impossible. Outstanding players usually straightaway rape the B team and get promoted, 75-80% winning rate vs them. So in Korea NonY figures out in order to be outstanding he needs more than a year and he might turn out not be outstanding afterall. It turned into a gamble. Hell even stork took 1 yr to regularly be on TV.
3) Gf
4) Culture : Asian system is rigid where u study much and work hard for your life. Its the same mindset in progaming. Korea, compared to other first world asian countries is still very traditional in this culture. Hell, the girls dont even have status there yet. The intense training made NonY rethink his options. He is no longer in America where he wakes up on noon and pretty do anything u like.
e-STRO as a counter-strike team is not "the best", its competitive yes but they are far away in skill when compared to europe or US based teams.
And no, the A-teamers don't fly from the B-teams faster than others, at least not in every case. Where did you even hear about this? Many of them have been in B-teams or going to the courage for a nice time before achieving anything, for example Flash was bought by KTF from WeMade's B-team, obviously wemade wouldn't have left him go if he was showing something special at that point already.
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On February 12 2009 02:44 Puosu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 02:15 Baddieko wrote:
The most obvious reasons Nony leaves:
1) Language barrier : In korea harder to communicate than in China as they close out other languages. Pretty a closed economy country who survive on self production. Even china/japan learn english aggressively now.
2) Skill : Going 30-40% in Estro B-team (and its Estro 1 of the lowest sc team but boast the strongest cs team) won't gurantee a good future, he think probably be stuck there for long like the other players playing internal league starcraft. For a 5 digit paycheck at least need to be in A-team. With his cert he figure out better to be in US than trying to chase the paycheck which is nearly impossible. Outstanding players usually straightaway rape the B team and get promoted, 75-80% winning rate vs them. So in Korea NonY figures out in order to be outstanding he needs more than a year and he might turn out not be outstanding afterall. It turned into a gamble. Hell even stork took 1 yr to regularly be on TV.
3) Gf
4) Culture : Asian system is rigid where u study much and work hard for your life. Its the same mindset in progaming. Korea, compared to other first world asian countries is still very traditional in this culture. Hell, the girls dont even have status there yet. The intense training made NonY rethink his options. He is no longer in America where he wakes up on noon and pretty do anything u like. e-STRO as a counter-strike team is not "the best", its competitive yes but they are far away in skill when compared to europe or US based teams. And no, the A-teamers don't fly from the B-teams faster than others, at least not in every case. Where did you even hear about this? Many of them have been in B-teams or going to the courage for a nice time before achieving anything, for example Flash was bought by KTF from WeMade's B-team, obviously wemade wouldn't have left him go if he was showing something special at that point already.
Of course i am talking about Korea. For FPS games definitely US and North-west europe much stronger. But Estro is best in Korea in terms of CS. Asian CS team never made it pass R016 in any world wide tourney but this time Estro proved it.
I am saying to go to A-team u need like a year. Jaedong, Flash and Stork all took 1 year and they were outstanding and raping B team. I believe NonY's ultimate aim is to appear in TV like them but looking at examples around him in Estro plus his winning rate he figure out his slim chances.
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On February 11 2009 23:58 Boonbag wrote:
To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about.
Korea is ultimately very close to western society.
Moronic post. Don't know what "Western" society you're living in. But personally I've never even seen a PC room. Our e-sports is not anywhere near the level that theirs is on. I mean c'mon, also the language barrier? I can speak to anyone I please over here, for the most part. Who can NonY speak to? Artosis, Tastless, and sometimes IdrA?
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Well NonY I know how it feels, I kinda been thro the same thing on a different sphere of life.
Good luck in your future endeavors and I hope to see you kicking ass in SC2, and hopefully, for all the simplification, the game gets more global and people like you will have a much better shot at being PRO.
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On February 12 2009 02:52 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 23:58 Boonbag wrote:
To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about.
Korea is ultimately very close to western society.
Moronic post. Don't know what "Western" society you're living in. But personally I've never even seen a PC room. Our e-sports is not anywhere near the level that theirs is on. I mean c'mon, also the language barrier? I can speak to anyone I please over here, for the most part. Who can NonY speak to? Artosis, Tastless, and sometimes IdrA?
Yeah i agree. I live in Asia and i know in terms of culture Korea is still very much traditional compared to china, singapore, taiwan, japan. These 4 countries are the only ones nearer to western laidback culture.
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i'm not a quiter in nature so i can't agree if reasons are cultural...
i don't know what to say but i can ask this: would he quit korea if he passed that courage and became pro with license?
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On February 12 2009 03:20 purgerinho wrote:
i'm not a quiter in nature so i can't agree if reasons are cultural...
i don't know what to say but i can ask this: would he quit korea if he passed that courage and became pro with license?
Would you ?
Does it matter ?
He probably realized what he was up against and didnt feel it was worth it, after all, he had other options, while for many of those pro players being a PRO is theyr best chance at greatness.
And with sc2 coming out, I think it would get more demotivating everyday(assuming he quit because he wasant satisfied with the current course of action), because it might launch, and suddenly all that time in korea was for nothing, because the whole scene changed.
Theres always to many variables in life, dont judge people.
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i wish nony would release a statement explaining himself. thats his perogative though
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i totally feel bad for ClouD right now.
totally.
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On February 12 2009 03:40 s.a.y wrote:
i totally feel bad for ClouD right now.
totally.
why cause he quit without even going to korea??
dont think anyone should feel bad for anyone...
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now we only have idra T.T
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I was hoping it was gonna work out for Nony. Especially after watching him in the courage tourny. Good luck to him.
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Sad to see, but totally understandable. I can't imagine how hard it is to go to a country like Korea, where everything is so different. Best of luck to you.
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On February 12 2009 02:52 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 23:58 Boonbag wrote:
To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about.
Korea is ultimately very close to western society.
Moronic post. Don't know what "Western" society you're living in. But personally I've never even seen a PC room. Our e-sports is not anywhere near the level that theirs is on. I mean c'mon, also the language barrier? I can speak to anyone I please over here, for the most part. Who can NonY speak to? Artosis, Tastless, and sometimes IdrA?
Author of "moronic post" had his episode of being a progamer in Korea. Sure, these were different times when you look at how proteams are run, but looking at his blog might give you some hints on how guy knows their society/culture.
PS comments like "moronic post" don't add much to the discussion.
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boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post
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On February 12 2009 02:41 Born)Slippy wrote:
I love how some people - who tend towards being raised or indoctrinated with American capitalist culture - define success or failure, or commitment or lack thereof, in terms of paychecks and digits and career plans.
Marry Me!
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On February 12 2009 03:40 s.a.y wrote:
i totally feel bad for ClouD right now.
totally.
You shouldn't. He quit because he didn't make it to Korea his first try. Anyone that quits that easily would've crumpled.
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On February 11 2009 17:47 iG.ClouD wrote:
sigh
Is there still a chance to go to estro?
Or is it too late?
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On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post ^
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On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post
You might tend to think this because you're beeing sequestred in front of a computer, while you could as well go around and meet the country.
I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft.
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he took a big impact by failing on PGL, i was actually expecting Nony go much further than where he stopped.
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On February 13 2009 04:28 Hypnosis wrote:
10 GATE 15 GATE
SSSHHHH, That's property of Artosis and Tasteless.
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On February 12 2009 22:05 Boonbag wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post You might tend to think this because you're beeing sequestred in front of a computer, while you could as well go around and meet the country. I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft.
Episode 2 of the moronic post.
"I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft."
Isn't this exactly what NonY was doing? Isn't this thread about him leaving eSTRO. Wasn't it you that said that western society isn't much different and you don't know why everyone tries to claim it is? Well if all these are true, you just contradicted yourself.
On a side note, New York is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to go to the Bronx.
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On February 10 2009 07:50 Kennigit wrote:
Say something nice, or at LEAST constructive you donkeys. I'm just not going to do anything for the next 3 weeks except watch this thread and ban as necessary.
Kennigit, where'd you go? This thread is getting dangerously close to resembling its first version...and we're only on the 8th page.
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On February 13 2009 06:59 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 22:05 Boonbag wrote:On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post You might tend to think this because you're beeing sequestred in front of a computer, while you could as well go around and meet the country. I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft. Episode 2 of the moronic post. "I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft." Isn't this exactly what NonY was doing? Isn't this thread about him leaving eSTRO. Wasn't it you that said that western society isn't much different and you don't know why everyone tries to claim it is? Well if all these are true, you just contradicted yourself. On a side note, New York is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to go to the Bronx.
Really? Yankee Stadium was in the Bronx, as is Fordham University, the New York Botanical Gardens, the Bronx Zoo, and a wide variety of great parks, including Van Cortlandt and Pelham Bay. In fact, I would argue that the Bronx is one of the 10 wonders of the modern world in terms of prestige, historical significance, and overall land value.
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On February 13 2009 06:59 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 22:05 Boonbag wrote:On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post You might tend to think this because you're beeing sequestred in front of a computer, while you could as well go around and meet the country. I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft. Episode 2 of the moronic post. "I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft." Isn't this exactly what NonY was doing? Isn't this thread about him leaving eSTRO. Wasn't it you that said that western society isn't much different and you don't know why everyone tries to claim it is? Well if all these are true, you just contradicted yourself. On a side note, New York is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to go to the Bronx.
sup with the rage ?
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how on earth have you not been banned
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On February 13 2009 06:59 selboN wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2009 22:05 Boonbag wrote:On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post You might tend to think this because you're beeing sequestred in front of a computer, while you could as well go around and meet the country. I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft. Episode 2 of the moronic post. "I guess when your needs will expand to something more than just sitting, playing and posting, you'll forget very quick about starcraft." Isn't this exactly what NonY was doing? Isn't this thread about him leaving eSTRO. Wasn't it you that said that western society isn't much different and you don't know why everyone tries to claim it is? Well if all these are true, you just contradicted yourself. On a side note, New York is a great place to visit, but I wouldn't want to go to the Bronx.
Best borough and you're knocking it :p (Remember something about 'moronic posts'? lol)
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On February 13 2009 10:50 IdrA wrote:
how on earth have you not been banned
Because I was rubbing my fiancee's back, so I just got here, sorry.
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On February 13 2009 12:15 EvilTeletubby wrote:Because I was rubbing my fiancee's back, so I just got here, sorry.
I think Idra was talking of Boonbag but don't ban him his blogs are too cool :p
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no.. they aren't as cool as they'd need to be to justify his continual lack of worth.
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On February 12 2009 01:47 Baddieko wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2009 00:09 QuickStriker wrote:
You know, I realized none of you mentioned this yet but I remember something about NonY when he was admitted for Estro....
..that HE'S A FREAKING DUKE GRADUATE!!!!!!!!!! Obviously even if it's not Starcraft anymore, as far as I remember, being a Duke graduate does mean something! It means he has a higher chance than most of us here in securing a nice good freaking job that's like 1000 times better pay than a typical average salary of being a progamer.....
So I'm not worried or concern for him much regarding his future..... I do though, wish the best of luck and future for him! But like I said... Duke University... Are u sure 1000 times better pay than progamer? Prolly he can get is same pay as B team at the start but will never reach A team and S class paycheck. Unless high position which pays like 20k so its equal A class gamers monthly pay only. Not to mention prize and bonuses.
A class progamers make shit all for money. Even the s class people dont make alot without winning a league, or just being one of the few that are really famous and charismatic so they can do ads and what not. Doing almost anything not progaming with a uni degree will almost certainly pay better than a progamer, unless he's in the top .01% of that field. Which is applicable to anything else.
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Best borough and you're knocking it :p (Remember something about 'moronic posts'? lol)
best borough my ass
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I haven't logged in in a LONG LONG time, but I really had to say something this time...
Nony, of course you don't know all of us, but we all feel we know you a little bit, so you are (most definetedly) NOT a nobody for all this people that are reading this.
Beeing a foreigner (an outsider, whatever) in Korea made us cheer for you sometimes more than we cheer for each of our favourite progamers.
Be sure you left a void that will be really hard to fill.
I wish you all the luck you can have to deal with your "personal reasons" that took you away from your excellent jorney.
This might sound strange, but...
"Thank you" for all you achieved, you made us all feel like winners.
Thank you!
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 12 2009 20:33 IdrA wrote:
boonbag may have been here, but he doesnt really know anything
it was a moronic post
What part of Boonbags post was moronic?
Do you know something? LOL
Anyways, any non-korean that comes to korea and can't get along or has trouble due to 'culture shock' is in fact not having trouble because of 'culture shock' but merely because they are antisocial shy fucks with warped senses of reality.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 11 2009 23:58 Boonbag wrote:
To be honest all of you talking about the "cultural shock" or "change" don't really know what they're talking about.
Korea is ultimately very close to western society.
It's not like he went living in south india country side or what else.
It's fairly sad tho, the guy seemed very good. I think he was too old tho. It's really hard at this age to just sit there and think you're going to make your life out of playing a game, unless you're somewhat involved on various levels within this same industry.
On a side note, the way it is nowadays is very different, and going for pro gaming almost looks like going to fucking jail.
Grrrr... left for korea because he was bored to death in Quebec and was free in Korea.
I went so I wouldn't have to deal with my family and be free..
Elky and smuft went there to be pro gamers and ultimately had great fun, clubbing, dating, renting their own places, finding their own pc rooms... basically "living".
At last, I might be wrong on this, but I don't understand how one could be thinking to be able to compete with some of the Korean players beeing 15 or 16 and playing the game since they're like 8 or 9.
I'm sure Idra and Nony are able to win games etc.. but like, nowadays, the starcraft machines we see winning in individual leagues.. come on o_O their level is just something not reachable unless you come from the same kind of SC diet they've been in for as long as they can remember.
You're right but you need to realize everything is relative. Jail for one might be freedom for another. It all depends on where they are coming from / how much they care / what else they could/would be doing if they weren't there.
You're pretty much right though. Theres no hope for any whitey in SC1 anymore. The gap has just grown too big. But on the other hand that doesn't mean going to Korea to be a pro-gamer is necessarily a bad thing for anyone. It could be a great experience no matter what, even if you're forced to stay behind your computer 17 hours a day. I mean, you can always go and hope the Lord of Night whisks you away in his dark shadow for an evening. That'll be worth the wait.
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Could be with a reasonable Jaji able to wait..
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sorry but sitting in a house with a bunch of quiet little nerds on top of an almost absolute language barrier in a culture that expects you to keep working to the point where its counter productive from lack of sleep most definitely does carry a touch of culture shock.
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On February 13 2009 19:58 IdrA wrote:
sorry but sitting in a house with a bunch of quiet little nerds on top of an almost absolute language barrier in a culture that expects you to keep working to the point where its counter productive from lack of sleep most definitely does carry a touch of culture shock.
This put a little smile on my face. I can almost picture the scene.
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Thats precisely the point, it's not entirely cultural but something you chosed to immerse yourself in and that isn't representative of Korea.
The fact they're hard workers has not to be a cultural shock.
What you guys decided to endure is totally fucked up, and I know much about fucked up situations and ways of living there.
Again, Starcraft is not what Korea is. It's not even what you could call a "part" of it.
Saying they're culturaly close :
They've been fed of Western culture for 50 years non stop
You have a huge movie theatre complex in every district playing 80 % + of western movies
Everybody dresses there with european and american brands
You got fast foods and western food restaurants EVERYWHERE
There is no portion of the population you're litteraly not able to see
Everyone walks freely and talks freely in the street.
They drink the same brands
could name countless of other things
My guess is that any of you that says there is a cultural shock over there never been living to in a very different culture than ours.
Korea is prolly the closest thing there is to USA or Europe in Asia, aside honk kong.
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being an anti social shy fuck actually makes it easier
and im talking about progaming culture, since thats whats relevant to this thread, not so much korean culture in general.
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Cultural shock in the pro gaming culture ? Oh come on -_-
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culture shock is just have trouble adjusting to living conditions different than what you're used to
the living conditions for a progamer or pro team trainee are pretty fucking different than what most any westerner is used to. doesnt really matter that its voluntary, its still different.
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I'm saying that litteraly doesn't mean anything. It's neither cultural or a culture.
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how is it not a culture
i think you're confused about the definition of culture
it doesnt have to be a country or anything, just a group of people with a specific set of characteristics and behaviors and stuff
like progamers/progaming
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You talk about living conditions within a training. I totally agree its a fucked up way of living, now I'm pretty sure that most people here refer to cultural shock as the country and not the pro team house.
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im pretty sure its just you
cul⋅ture /ˈkʌltʃər/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [kuhl-cher] Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, verb, -tured, -tur⋅ing.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.
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On February 13 2009 20:20 Boonbag wrote:
You talk about living conditions within a training. I totally agree its a fucked up way of living, now I'm pretty sure that most people here refer to cultural shock as the country and not the pro team house.
It's not a fucked up way of living either -.-
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11 hours of starcraft a day, EVERY DAY, pretty much is.
It's not like he's playing WoW or something.
He's actually doing something that requires focus and stamina.
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thedeadhaji
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uhh, culture shock != country.
You can have a culture shock by going from a christian HS to a party college, or from a crappy HS to a academically rigorous and cutthroat college, and be faced with a "culture shock".
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 13 2009 20:12 IdrA wrote:
culture shock is just have trouble adjusting to living conditions different than what you're used to
the living conditions for a progamer or pro team trainee are pretty fucking different than what most any westerner is used to. doesnt really matter that its voluntary, its still different.
What, because the gamer actually has to change from being a lazy nerd playing all day obbing games relaxed doing whatever they want to playing all day hardcore to get good? Sorry to burst your bubble kids but it's not culture shock it's called hard fucking work. This is a super competitive 'sport' and if you want to get anywhere of course you have to work hard. Most gamers have never done any hard work in their lives and are lazy pathetic nerds so I guess I can see them being 'shocked' and crying about it as if it's not their fault and something they can't help.
I mean no fucking shit sherlocks?
Lmao.
edit: absolute language barrier.....lol...........................LOL
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On February 14 2009 02:52 Rekrul wrote:
Most gamers have never done any hard work in their lives and are lazy pathetic nerds so
Of all the places I could see this stereotype being thrown around, why does it have to be here? Honestly.
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Um, besides the whole training absurd amounts of time, isn't there also the senior/junior system that is pretty difficult to adapt to?
Having to treat older people with utmost respect and I guess having to do a lot of chores, and not getting the same from younger koreans because you're a foreigner?
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
On February 14 2009 02:57 Ronald_McD wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 02:52 Rekrul wrote:
Most gamers have never done any hard work in their lives and are lazy pathetic nerds so Of all the places I could see this stereotype being thrown around, why does it have to be here? Honestly.
Because it's true. Note the word 'most.'
Any kid able to play video games all the time obviously has had a pretty fortunate lazy life.
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Nony! Lets get you back in making FPVOD =) Always good luck in your future endeavors once SC2 comes out! =)
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On February 14 2009 03:03 Rekrul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2009 02:57 Ronald_McD wrote:On February 14 2009 02:52 Rekrul wrote:
Most gamers have never done any hard work in their lives and are lazy pathetic nerds so Of all the places I could see this stereotype being thrown around, why does it have to be here? Honestly. Because it's true. Note the word 'most.' Any kid able to play video games all the time obviously has had a pretty fortunate lazy life.
yep.
which makes e-thugs just that much cooler.
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On February 20 2009 18:27 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Nony! Lets get you back in making FPVOD =)
Jeez someone's selfish.
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On February 20 2009 18:32 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2009 18:27 Licmyobelisk wrote:
Nony! Lets get you back in making FPVOD =) Jeez someone's selfish.
LOL!
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We have Toad now, D+ AND RISING.
-__-
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I miss NonY in Korea. Hope he's doing well wherever he is.
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Bump. This totally missed my attention (thought this kind of news would be frontpage worthy... if it was on front page then my bad). Good luck to Nony in all his endeavours. I know he will be very successful, especially considering that he's a Duke graduate.
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