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On December 29 2008 07:36 GinNtoniC wrote:
considering you want to be better at the game and start winning, I'm afraid the only effective path goes through losing.. a lot.
I probably lost 90% of my games for a month straight on iccup, before I started winning more than I lost.
Last season on iccup went a lot better and I actually won a lot.
This season has so far been even better (when I've actually played main race on comfortable maps)
But yeah, I don't think many on this site can truthfully say they did much besides losing when they first started playing SC competatively.
Just hang in there and study the replays in which you lost (together with replays from better players)
Eventually you'll improve. Good luck.
As I said, I don't really have a problem with losing. It's just that when I think I'm doing alright and then a veritable flood of Goons and Z'lots, or a single Lurker drop into my worker line, or some other bullshit like that. Having that happen a half dozen times just kinda gets on your nerves and degrades your moral.
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On December 29 2008 07:34 Shadow-Mage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 07:31 NotSupporting wrote:
Wow, I am really impressed how much you guys are actually trying to help this kid given the fact that he is more or less just complaining and putting no effort in it. Anyway gl hf, BUT Shadow-Mage, if you are not prepared to lose games do not start playing SC because the road ahead of you is not easy and you will keep losing for a long time. The skill level of SC players is very high compared to other games and it is also one of the hardest RTS games (if not the hardest). You obviously need to butt out because you have no idea what you're talking about with me "putting no effort in it." I've already put in a great deal of effort previous to this post and it has payed off. But I figured there might be a better way. I AM trying something by coming here and asking for help, and while that may not be a problem for many people it IS an MAJOR accomplishment for me. Humility is not the strongest of my characteristics and as such asking for help does not come easily. In short, shut up and butt out.
To be honest Shadow-Mage I've only been helping you out because I've been bored and because I recognize how frustrating it can be to pick up an old game 10 years after its release (tried picking up some Tekken game sometime ago with a friend and got badly humiliated).
Here's the real deal. Your initial post was bad. Your attitude has been arrogant and bad. Your cooperation on actually setting up your game to play (patches etc) has been bad. You just showed your first sign of gratitude, but quickly turned around to "In short, shut up and butt out".
So in short; if people laugh at you and are surprised that I'm helping you - they're absolutely right.
I'm done trying to help you. Do what everyone else does; look up some replays, practise hard and humbly ask the people who are better than you, if they can help you improve.
With your current attitude, I honestly hope you fail.
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On December 29 2008 07:35 fonger wrote:
Learn it quick or stop posting. The regulars around here don't take well to your type, especially when you have nothing to offer.
I'm sorry, but it just pisses me off when someone comes in here assuming they know what I've done and to what extent and then telling me how II haven't tried.
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On December 29 2008 07:40 Shadow-Mage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 07:36 GinNtoniC wrote:
considering you want to be better at the game and start winning, I'm afraid the only effective path goes through losing.. a lot.
I probably lost 90% of my games for a month straight on iccup, before I started winning more than I lost.
Last season on iccup went a lot better and I actually won a lot.
This season has so far been even better (when I've actually played main race on comfortable maps)
But yeah, I don't think many on this site can truthfully say they did much besides losing when they first started playing SC competatively.
Just hang in there and study the replays in which you lost (together with replays from better players)
Eventually you'll improve. Good luck. As I said, I don't really have a problem with losing. It's just that when I think I'm doing alright and then a veritable flood of Goons and Z'lots, or a single Lurker drop into my worker line, or some other bullshit like that. Having that happen a half dozen times just kinda gets on your nerves and degrades your moral.
It's understandable to feel badly demoralized but it's just the matter of fact that this game has been around for so long and even the average/below average players are just many levels above someone who's just started playing competitively, so you will just have to take the beatings for now.
Do take a break if it starts to get on your nerves, watch some more replays and try to actually absorb what's going on and analyze player reactions to how the game progresses, formulate your own opinions about what should be done and see how better players think differently from beginners. Don't give up though!
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On December 29 2008 07:37 Shadow-Mage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 07:35 fonger wrote:On December 29 2008 07:24 GinNtoniC wrote:On December 29 2008 07:21 Shadow-Mage wrote:
Go to bed. I'm really not in the mood to uninstall SC and reinstall it. Especially since the only thing on the other end of said process is a whole arse-load of ass-kickings. what fonger said. besides, uninstalling and reinstalling starcraft + applying correct patches litterally takes MAX 10 minutes on a normal computer. but disregard that and just do what Fonger suggests. That should take you like 2 minutes. If you still don't want to play because you don't like losing, then just stick with playing vs computers..... forever  edit: btw fonger, why is the program called scv selector? that sounds sketchy tbh ^^. No idea man. I don't use it myself (I just have two Starcraft folders and rename between them when I need to switch), but I've seen it recommended on here before. That did it. I'm able to the ICCup server now.
Good now you will get own and own and own and you will get better thx to taht gl hf =D see you in game
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On December 29 2008 07:43 Shadow-Mage wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 07:35 fonger wrote:
Learn it quick or stop posting. The regulars around here don't take well to your type, especially when you have nothing to offer. I'm sorry, but it just pisses me off when someone comes in here assuming they know what I've done and to what extent and then telling me how II haven't tried.
here's the rep of me (winteriscoming) and him, my ZvT is ~C-
http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/ShadowMageT_winteriscZ.rep
you need to learn fundamental build orders and micro basics (vs. muta harass), as well as a bit of decision making, going for break when i know its coming, especially the second time when my mutas were already in your base is kinda suicidal.
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Replay doesn't work for me :/
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I'll die to anything I don't know how to deal with. Which is basicly Mutas and that's about all I can think of. I've never been told, seen, or understood how to stop Mutas, so I can't.
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If you are going to do this you will have to set aside losing/winning for a few moths at least. Go in to a game and do your best, use your build order that you had in mind and push yourself to manage your macro and micro tasks. This will in 90% of the cases not be enough but then you just take a minute and go over the game and you try to understand what went wrong and how you could do better in the future. See losing as a good thing rather, you can probably learn something or get reminded of something after every lost game so really you gain by losing games. This is how we all learned the game in the first place.
But at your level it is also just about playing, you need to get your macro and micro working well enough to play out a good game and this you will get from knowing what to do in the game and then just doing it over and over.
When you think that you have improved and need some additional help you could come back and write a post in the strategy part of this forum. BUT if you do, make your starting question better, "help me I am a newb" is going to make a lot of the better players on this forum not even look at your thread. And also be respectful to everyone that tries to help. GL.
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Braavos36379 Posts
On December 29 2008 07:54 Shadow-Mage wrote:
I'll die to anything I don't know how to deal with. Which is basicly Mutas and that's about all I can think of. I've never been told, seen, or understood how to stop Mutas, so I can't.
you can't go one base 2 rax academy then lose your first force to sunkens, then expand and try to break again, that's just really bad decision making. there's no way that second break will work and my mutas did too much damage in your base.
if you didn't do damage with your first group you have to play super defensive against muta, especially against two hatch muta. your scout died instantly, which was really bad, so you couldn't scout whether i was 3 or 2 hatch.
to defend against muta harass you have to get +1 and range (along with stim, obviously), preferably 3+ raxes, and just try to move and get your marines into a formation where they can all fire on the mutas at the same time. pull back the rines when he flies in to strafe, and then run out and try to focus fire on a muta. it's really hard to do this while you are macroing, and just requires a lot of practice.
On December 29 2008 07:53 uriel- wrote:
Replay doesn't work for me :/
weird, its 1.16 and works fine for me
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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On December 29 2008 07:41 GinNtoniC wrote:
Here's the real deal. Your initial post was bad. Your attitude has been arrogant and bad. Your cooperation on actually setting up your game to play (patches etc) has been bad. You just showed your first sign of gratitude, but quickly turned around to "In short, shut up and butt out".
So in short; if people laugh at you and are surprised that I'm helping you - they're absolutely right.
I'm done trying to help you. Do what everyone else does; look up some replays, practise hard and humbly ask the people who are better than you, if they can help you improve.
With your current attitude, I honestly hope you fail.
If my initial post was bad, then you should tell me an enlighten me. I don't know what was bad about it and thus I don't know how to make a good post and can't learn how to make one if people don't tell me.
I don't feel as though I've been arrogant.
And I can't cooperate because I have almost no idea what I'm doing. I didn't want to uninstall it because last time I did that, it basically broke the game and I couldn't get it working again for several months. (I don't remember what exactly the problem was.)
And if people laugh at me, oh well, that's life. I'll deal with it.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
oh and the rep works fine for me
u need to macro better and ur first push was like.. premature + too late lol
maybe 3 medics was a bit too much too ?
anyway good luck improving lol
and remember to always play for fun!
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On December 29 2008 08:00 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2008 07:54 Shadow-Mage wrote:
I'll die to anything I don't know how to deal with. Which is basicly Mutas and that's about all I can think of. I've never been told, seen, or understood how to stop Mutas, so I can't. you can't go one base 2 rax academy then lose your first force to sunkens, then expand and try to break again, that's just really bad decision making. there's no way that second break will work and my mutas did too much damage in your base. if you didn't do damage with your first group you have to play super defensive against muta, especially against two hatch muta. your scout died instantly, which was really bad, so you couldn't scout whether i was 3 or 2 hatch. to defend against muta harass you have to get +1 and range (along with stim, obviously), preferably 3+ raxes, and just try to move and get your marines into a formation where they can all fire on the mutas at the same time. pull back the rines when he flies in to strafe, and then run out and try to focus fire on a muta. it's really hard to do this while you are macroing, and just requires a lot of practice.
I thought I did have 3 or 4 Barracks pumping stuff. But knowing to get range is good to know.
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On December 29 2008 07:53 uriel- wrote:
Replay doesn't work for me :/
Same, it crashed my bw like 20 sec in to the game.
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watch reps and vods. Dont watch combat ex videos on youtube, or take what commentators say as strategic advice. Oh and really work on your attitude, rather than calling everyone who says what I've just said an idiot who should shut up.
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On December 29 2008 08:19 Piy wrote:
watch reps and vods. Dont watch combat ex videos on youtube, or take what commentators say as strategic advice. Oh and really work on your attitude, rather than calling everyone who says what I've just said an idiot who should shut up.
Sorry, many things have just put me on edge lately and my attempt to get better at StarCraft isn't helping much. I know that doesn't make my attitude acceptable and I am sorry.
As I've said, I do watch a great deal of replays. But without the commentators, nothing really seems to make sense to me.
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This is a very generic and short advice, but it will help you immensely until you become good and learn and practice to the point of perfection.
Think why everything is done; not only will it help you be creative (so you don't go 1 gate expo every game, therefore giving you some fun builds) but also you'll be getting the 6th sense you need sometimes.
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On December 29 2008 08:24 Wala.Revolution wrote:
This is a very generic and short advice, but it will help you immensely until you become good and learn and practice to the point of perfection.
Think why everything is done; not only will it help you be creative (so you don't go 1 gate expo every game, therefore giving you some fun builds) but also you'll be getting the 6th sense you need sometimes.
This actually some really good advice and I try to do this, but alot of the time, I simply have no idea.
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I mean it's simple logic. Opponent adds another gate = more forces or if not, waste of resources right?
But, in some cases, it's something you might not think of.
No third pylon (or late) in TvP = usually proxy, therefore start scouting.
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