EPTOn an unrelated note, I play on ICCup and people scream and bitch about me being a noob. So...What now?
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Shadow-Mage
United States49 Posts
On an unrelated note, I play on ICCup and people scream and bitch about me being a noob. So...What now? | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7584 Posts
Keep what I said in mind, but as others have said, read build orders. They will give you a solid early game. For example, in basics, if it says go gas after 1 gate, that means teching because advanced units costs a lot of gas. You also want to make constant probes and some expansions. The general rule is you must have minimum amount of force to be alive, and invest everything else into what's coming up. I started my SC in 98, but I didn't play multiplayer until 2005 or 6. I got better playing BGHs, which basically shaped my micro and macro, with key strategies such as positioning of the units and other mechanics. Many people will say "BGH is for noobs" but that is only to a certain extent. You'll be surprised just how strong of a mechanics except expoing goood players have. I would suggest that path because it was enjoyable to me. Just remember that you'll have to adapt into playing low-money but that'll be smooth if you critically think on almost everything you do. If you play terran, learn how to block. Get "good habits" even if you don't can't maximize the efficiency such as using hotkeys and maybe f2-4 keys. Practice multitasking by controlling your scout and your peon production. Learn the dynamics of SC, how which unit is good vs which units. The concept of concussive, explosive , and normal damage is too boring to know, but if you learn that sunks do 40 damage to dragoons while only 20 to marines, it would make sense. I would help you around Febuary but until then, I can't play. On an unrelated note: I don't know how to spell Feb. and I didn't know controlling was spelled with two Ts. | ||
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Shadow-Mage
United States49 Posts
I've actually remembered the concussive/explosive/normal attacks and the sizes of most, if not all units. (Curse Mutalisks and their small size!!!) I have general rough ideas of what counters what. | ||
LosingID8
CA10831 Posts
On December 29 2008 02:46 Shadow-Mage wrote: You guys aren't getting it. I KNOW build orders, I CAN do them. It's just everything turns to shit when I have to build my economy, an army, and attack at the same time. On December 29 2008 07:54 Shadow-Mage wrote: I'll die to anything I don't know how to deal with. Which is basicly Mutas and that's about all I can think of. I've never been told, seen, or understood how to stop Mutas, so I can't. look, if you know how to deal with mutas (which is the most standard zerg opening zvt) then you are vastly overestimating your ability. here's a piece of advice about TL. when you are a noob (with regards to both/or starcraft and postcount), do not run your mouth when people give you advice. no one here said anything that deserved you getting angry at them. maybe this might not make sense now, but in a few months when you get the fundamentals of starcraft down you'll reread this thread and realize how stubborn you sound. you say you watch a lot of replays but a lot of it doesn't make sense. then stop wasting your time. you need to gain first-hand experience playing the game first, THEN when you watch replays you'll see things like "oh hey, terran and i had the same opening build order, but when he scouted that the zerg went 2-hatch he did x when i did y in the same situation." then BECAUSE you have first-hand experience you'll be able to see why he did those things. | ||
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eXNewB
Canada291 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
If you did understand the BO's, then you should understand what are you doing them for. BO's aren't just for memorization, there's a reason that there are multiple BO's. I need to see your reps before I can criticize your game so I have a basis on what you did wrong. The best advice we can give right now when you're getting owned is "Play more", and we mean a fucking lot more, fucking lot meaning a fucking lot more than how many times Boxer appeared in an OSL Ro4 + how many times he has his games on pimpest plays. But when we say "play more", we also mean analyzing your rep, what's the point of playing and losing/winning when you won't look at the reason you won/lost and improve on it? Go play more. | ||
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Shadow-Mage
United States49 Posts
I also feel as though helping by relatively small margins would help me learn more. Is that the case? And if so where can I find people around my skill level if not on ICCup. | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
Really, this game is kind of a good reality check for me. Whenever I think I'm the shit, I just have to go on ICCUP and then I realize that I'm just another D- starcraft player. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On December 29 2008 11:39 Shadow-Mage wrote: I do look at the reasons why I lose. But nothing ever seems to get through my skull. what do you mean? You don't know what went wrong or something? Or you don't know what to improve on? (which is hella impossible) There are always things to improve on in each game you have. Just play and play. One day, in one time you sit down on that chair and watch the countdown turn to 0, everything will just come out. You will get those timings right and those BO's right. | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
Btw, anyone wants to play me, just message me DHe95 on west. | ||
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Shadow-Mage
United States49 Posts
I see something that I do wrong, and I figure out how to fix it in my mind. But then I go and do the exact same damn thing 3 dozen more times in a row. | ||
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dhe95
United States1213 Posts
On December 29 2008 14:16 Shadow-Mage wrote: Dude, 70 apm? I wish mine was that high...I think mine is somewhere along the line of 50 or 60. I see something that I do wrong, and I figure out how to fix it in my mind. But then I go and do the exact same damn thing 3 dozen more times in a row. Mine used to be that... Got up to 70 by learning how to press like 1 twice to get to the location of where 1 is. Makes mutlitasking much easier :D | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On December 29 2008 08:53 Shadow-Mage wrote: See, that's the type of thing that I just don't understand. And while that might be good to know eventually, I don't think it'll do me too much good as it is right now. On an unrelated note, I play on ICCup and people scream and bitch about me being a noob. So...What now? When you play on iccup if its not with friends always /DND GTFO or something like that. And if you're losing (or lost) and they're calling you a noob in game just alt qq and ignore it. | ||
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uriel-
Singapore1867 Posts
It might be helpful to find some friends or 2 (real life or interwebs whatever) that are similar beginners and interested in improving. Each pick a race and practice! | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
This whole thread is lawl. | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
On December 29 2008 14:16 Shadow-Mage wrote: Dude, 70 apm? I wish mine was that high...I think mine is somewhere along the line of 50 or 60. I see something that I do wrong, and I figure out how to fix it in my mind. But then I go and do the exact same damn thing 3 dozen more times in a row. 50 apm terran? yeah work on your mechanics a lot | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
On December 29 2008 14:16 Shadow-Mage wrote: Dude, 70 apm? I wish mine was that high...I think mine is somewhere along the line of 50 or 60. I see something that I do wrong, and I figure out how to fix it in my mind. But then I go and do the exact same damn thing 3 dozen more times in a row. you will not win against anyone who has any idea what they're doing with 50 apm this is something that turns off some players who are just getting into starcraft, but it is reality if you know a build order, just use that one single build order (make sure its a GOOD build order, so just steal it from somewhere. With what I've read in this thread I'm pretty sure you don't have the experience yet to know the difference, so make sure its something safe and standard that pros do). Use it over and over and over, and try to be as fast as possible. Raising your APM is more of a mental block than anything else, because one might assume its too difficult because they don't fully understand the progression of their build order (and therefore they get destroyed). Get that shit into the triple digits and maybe the incredibly talented, incredibly good-looking, incredibly incredible FakeSteve will teach you how to play this glorious game. | ||
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
when you make shit from your factories, don't putz around. scream through them like a banshee click t click t click t click v click v click v click v FAST FAST FAST Do that useless spam you see people do at the beginning in FPVods. Don't sit around staring at your scvs, swing your mouse around like a man and get used to how it behaves at higher speed. if you want to work on your accuracy just do simple shit like click on every mineral patch in a row as fast as you can. there's a good solid minute where you dont have anything better to do, so just do it. get faster, be faster, play faster. You need to get your mouse hand comfortable and reliable so you can do shit fast in lategame Make sure you are hotkeying shit. if you have an army and it isnt hotkeyed, hotkey that shit. it makes controlling your units easier (ooooo). Make sure you have your CC's and then your comsats on 0, 9, and 8. Force yourself to use shift-F2 to save the screen location over your factories, and use shift-F3 over where you want your rally point to be. then hit f2, click a factory, hit f3, rightclick on the ground. rinse and repeat, rally your goddamned factories. Learn to do this shit FAST. FAST FAST FAST. Raising your APM isn't difficult. Just do mundane shit over and over until you can do it super fast. This is why practicing one build order when you're as new to the game as you are is a good idea. You get your hands screaming around with the mouse and keyboard because you know how to do this build with your eyes closed, and the speed carries over when you try new shit | ||
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