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United States2186 Posts
Pretty good, I like.
FYI oov dominated the Trigem/Hanafos/Spris MSLs, dominated the Gilette OSL before losing to July, and then won the Ever OSL. That was his streak of dominance, just as Savior's was the 5 MSL finals+Shinhan 3 OSL victory. His victory over July in Shinhan 0 was more of a semi-resurgence when he had briefly overcome his motivational issues, but was stopped from MSL domination by Savior himself. So essentially oov and Savior dominated and defined two different eras in their primes, although a remnant of oov was still left for Savior to fight out with in CYON.
I would liken oov and Savior to Scipio Africanus and Hannibal, strategical greats that eclipsed all others and won the war for their sides in each era of dominance. At the very least, neither of them is a Pompey lol.
But that being said, the comparison of these 3 to either of the triumvirates works moderately well, as Best fits perfectly with Crassus/Lepidus: the odd weakling out. Best cannot possibly be compared with Jaedong/Flash (and even Anytime) as he is a player who lacks strategy and planning in series, and thus is really only going to go far with lucky draws (i,e Luxury). Maybe he can overcome this in the future but as of right now he looks to be a Sea/Casy mix: very proficient in 2 matchups and terrible in the 3rd, and a lack of strategical foresight and mental strength that kills him in series.
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United States1866 Posts
Awesome article!
Reads like a great TLFE
Correction on the stats though: I'm pretty sure Jaedong has 9 wins to Flash's 6 in their games against each other, yet you have it the other way around.
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I've always kind of seen Stork being likened to JD and flash as opposed to best... Stork didn't really break out until they also became very good. Not to mention the amount of games played between the 3 of them (especially in finals).
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On November 12 2008 13:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I, as a Jaedong fanboy, would like to include his 3-0 of Flash in your head-to-head standings since Flash said the finals was all he was practicing for.
On November 12 2008 15:01 Atrioc wrote:
Awesome article!
Reads like a great TLFE
Correction on the stats though: I'm pretty sure Jaedong has 9 wins to Flash's 6 in their games against each other, yet you have it the other way around.
/facepalm.
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United States47024 Posts
On November 12 2008 13:23 baubo wrote:
As someone who doesn't exactly care for best, I find it weird lumping Best with Jaedong and Flash. The only protosses currently on Jaedong/Flash level are Bisu and Stork. Another thing is that Best isn't even that young. He's the same age as Bisu and just a year younger than Stork.
Age isn't entirely a relevant issue. He's only 3 months older than Jaedong.
I think it has to do with the theme of potential. Bisu and Stork are up to Jaedong/Flash level, but we've seen how far they can go. They've made their runs. We haven't seen the "best" out of Best yet though.
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Honestly I think Bisu would be a better fit for the Triumvirate than Best.
Bisu, unlike Best, had a long period of Dominance. He was a semi-bonjwa. 2 MSL golds, 1 MSL Silver, and a 3rd place finishing in the OSL. Bisu has both defeated Stork in a series (like Flash/JD have done), and lost to Stork. Before Flash became great, one of the things he was known for was Cheesing Bisu out of the Daum OSL. Jaedong was cemented as the best player in the world when Bisu put Jaedong in his MSL group, and lost an epic game on Blue Storm to him. In the Bacchus OSL, Bisu played Flash in the Semi-finals, and lost a pretty good series. If I recall correctly, after Flash raped Stork, he said that he considered Bisu as his Protoss rival (and JD as his Zerg rival).
Although Bisu is earlier than JD and Flash in terms of dominance, he is still recent history for Progaming. It went from Savior Era, to Bisu, to Jaedong, to Flash, to Jaedong and Flash sorta, to the present. And just look at the current Power Ranks to see how Bisu is doing currently.
I like Best, but he isn't semi-Bonjwa. The only Protoss in recent history who has a claim to that, is Bisu, and maybe Stork now.
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MrHoon
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On November 12 2008 13:13 Avidkeystamper wrote:
I, as a Jaedong fanboy, would like to include his 3-0 of Flash in your head-to-head standings since Flash said the finals was all he was practicing for.
seems like your jaedong fanboism is blinding you too much.
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Nice read, though i dont think best is well placed among the two champions. There are other tosses that are alot better than Best.
Best has been hyped up to be more than he is, hes just good at PvP thats it.
+ Show Spoiler +though i guess that pretty neat in a tossworld 
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Neat article. I'd really prefer if you could've used player names though, the Korean names just confuse me, everytime I see one (except Lee Jae Dong) I have to stop and think about who it is.
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On November 12 2008 17:14 Kong John wrote:Nice read, though i dont think best is well placed among the two champions. There are other tosses that are alot better than Best. Best has been hyped up to be more than he is, hes just good at PvP thats it. + Show Spoiler +though i guess that pretty neat in a tossworld
Best is pretty beastly in PvT too, its just PvZ he isn't great at.
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Wow...amazing.
great read, thanks for writing!!
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On November 12 2008 15:29 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2008 13:23 baubo wrote:
As someone who doesn't exactly care for best, I find it weird lumping Best with Jaedong and Flash. The only protosses currently on Jaedong/Flash level are Bisu and Stork. Another thing is that Best isn't even that young. He's the same age as Bisu and just a year younger than Stork.
Age isn't entirely a relevant issue. He's only 3 months older than Jaedong. I think it has to do with the theme of potential. Bisu and Stork are up to Jaedong/Flash level, but we've seen how far they can go. They've made their runs. We haven't seen the "best" out of Best yet though.
The age is relevant for anyone to make the argument of Best > Stork/Bisu in the near future. One person has to improve greatly, the other two has to maintain their performance. If you're going to tell me that Best, at the age of 20, has plenty of room to improve, why can't we expect Bisu and Stork, who are 20 and 21, to also improve?
Or are we going by rankings? In which case I guess Stork is unable to improve because he's #1. And therefore Best will surpass him?!?
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On November 12 2008 12:42 Arrian wrote:
in the GOM Star Invitational, where a more confident Lee Young Ho took the series 2-1.
More confident? I think players throwing cheeses at each other isn't a sign of confidence.
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Good read 
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Dude, it's suppossed to be "Solium Vacuum".
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I think Best is overhyped.
He has lost to the one and only Protoss he needed to beat to make the statement that his PvP is the best in the world (Stork).
He barely beat Luxury in a BO 5 where he could prepare for and after that had his mind destroyed by July... You also find some games where he really get's wasted by Jaedong. Hes 50/50 against Zerg, I would not really call that *Bonjwa* material (Flash and Jaedong have all Matchups over 60%, Bisu has all in the high 5x% and Stork has only his vZ at 55% the rest is well over 60%...).
Bests problem is, if he is running in to a good ZvP-Player chances are high that he will be out of the league in no time. The other big names don't have this weakness.
When the trend goes on as it does now with like no Zerg's fighting in the later stages of the Starleagues and a ton of Protoss players Best will probably steal one if someone is nice enough to kick Jaedong out before he meets him, but that’s about it.
I also feel like Best is not good at preparing against certain opponents... Ok, he beat Luxury... But how? After 0-2? That does not look like a good gameplan to me. He failed against Stork (which people thought he would win), he failed epic against July... In unprepared state Best is probably one of the greatest players, but in BO5's with 1-2 weeks of practice before the actual game he tends to fail.
Jaedong/Flash/Bisu/Stork are the guys which at the moment can dominate about everything if they play to their full potential, Best just sits behind them together with some other highly talented players (forgg, kal, free, fantasy.... You know these names  ).
But to be realistic... We all know what happens next season:
Iloveoov vs Boxer WCG, MSL, OSL, Gom-Finals.
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Amazing read, great job!
But seriously why you are counting out Bisu? Even during his long slump he never lost his mechanics and the only reason he was struggling were his major mistakes in every game. BeSt and Stork are great toss players maybe with better PvT and PvP but the strong PvZ and lacking of serious weaknesses in the other MUs is making Bisu the only true all-rounder in the toss ranks. No matter how improved Storks PvZ seems to be he just cant win 10 PvZ games back-to-back. As for JD and Flash they both will most likely win a couple more major titles , but none of them will reach the bonjwa status - the house is too small for those two, one of them must slump incredibly hard so the other has a chance to dominate the scene, not to mention that Bisu/Stork/BeSt and maybe some new guys will always be there with the ambition to take the gold. The competition is harder than ever so I think the scene will remain unstable unless Bisu takes both MSL/GOM or Stork takes GOM slaying all in his path
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ok, less than a hundred posts, and writing something like this, great read, hehe.
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I prefer Stork rather than Best though
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Nice thread.GJ.
I think OoV(3 MSL 2 OSL golds) and Savior(3 MSL 1 OSL golds,+2 MSL silvers + dominance about 2 years) were most dominant players in SC histrory,
Jaedong can't be Bonjwa, Flash will fail too(his dominance was about 2-3 months).
Best is good player,time will show us...
Conclusion:Do not compare JD and FLash and others to SAVIOR and OOV , ok ??????????
thank,you!
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