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On October 14 2008 05:38 zer0das wrote:
Eh.. D+ in a year isn't bad at all. I know I hit D+ in like a week or two, but I had been playing 10 years on and off prior to that. What's sad on my part is I learned more in a few months of playing Iccup than I did in 10 years. I know the bulk of my playing occurred years ago, so when I came back everyone was way better and it took a bit to get used to. Getting used to that from the get go probably isn't easy, so you should be proud of how far you've come. Just keeping working and you'll keep getting better.
same here. been playing on and off a long time, first time on iccup was d-. but the experience helped i guess, and it was a few months to c-. every level is quite different though.
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Of course it depends how long you've been playing. Also, since everyone starts at D, D starts when you're 35 apm and don't know the keys, and it ends all the way up at 160 apm, decent macro, decent decision making, decent micro, etc... So it's an extremely wide area.
That being said, D after a year isn't that good, but it probably isn't your fault. You simply need good friends/practice partners. I host a clan that's meant for good mannered practice partners who hang out on vent and play a lot of SC. If you're interested in this, give me a PM.
I started playing at SC2 announcement and I'm C rank. Not the best achievement, but I feel comfortable with it. Vyzhis who also posted in this thread is the reason for it aswell. Me and him have been pushing eachother to our limits for like, 8 months. We started at like D, and now we're both comfortably C.
It's all about who you play with and your attitude towards improving. =)
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I just started playing iccup maybe about a little more than a month ago and I reached D+ a week ago. I wouldn't consider myself very good since my win ratio is less than 50 percent and I have been hovering between D/D+ since. In my case, I'm pretty confident about beating the nonkoreans but I'll drop back down to D when I end up playing a bunch of Koreans in a row.
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I've been playing on and off since Brood War came out, but I've never gotten into iccup. I was able to keep a D rank a few months back, but I took a long hiatus and I'm back to D- level.
Recently I have been trying to pick up more games daily but everytime I host a game a D/D+ joins and says "glgl gogogo." That's just lame.
Hopefully someone here at D- level could do some massgaming with me.
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On October 14 2008 14:40 Realpenguin wrote:
I've been playing on and off since Brood War came out, but I've never gotten into iccup. I was able to keep a D rank a few months back, but I took a long hiatus and I'm back to D- level.
Recently I have been trying to pick up more games daily but everytime I host a game a D/D+ joins and says "glgl gogogo." That's just lame.
Hopefully someone here at D- level could do some massgaming with me.
What do you mean that's just lame? Everyone says "gl hf gogogo" What do you expect them to say? rofl. Ever read the chat before a pro-game?
Nada: GL HF GOGOGOGOOG
Edit: Oh. You mean to say that you want D-'s to join, not D's or D+.
The thing is, there aren't many D-'s like at all. They just make new accounts. So laddering at D- I can imagine to be very annoying. But you should love playing d/d+ as D-. When you win, they lose so many points. =D
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Ive been playing for 2-3 months, but Ive really haven't logged that many games at all.. Im currently like 4-40 on iccup, my wins have been against other players like me =P, so I actually felt like I earned them. Ive reset a few times but right now Im on a 1-11 account D- I think =).
Its actually funny, most D+ wont play with D- cause of the points they'll lose.. i tell them I suck, and they are like, .**** you, and leave.
Really its not very easy to get better,however, your probably like me in the fact that you enjoy playing competitively, and have a pretty competitive attitude towards the things you do. Starcraft is a really hard game to get down, Ive actually come to realize some of the major things Im doing wrong lately, alot of it is during the late beginning, early mid game to late game.. and my game just slows down alot compared to my opponents, my multitasking, hot keying, not building units, 30 apm self =P
If you want to play with me or any other D-, Ds want to play on the competitive maps lmk, Im willing to play quite a bit.
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As everyone has been saying, practice is definitely the key. You also want to make sure you're really trying to improve when you're playing. You always want to be forcing yourself to move faster and do more in a game. It should almost feel like a chore when you're first starting to get a lot better(considering you're fairly slow ATM) and eventually you'll just be doing everything faster.
You really want to watch your replays as well. 8x speed is fine and it will help you catch things you missed.
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On October 13 2008 21:46 JMave wrote:
Hi guys. I've been playing starcraft for about a year now and I feel as if I just started. I'm still at the D level, though almost reaching D+. Is this normal? Or am I just so sucky?
i think that's actually pretty awesome!
i was probably at D- level for maybe 3 years. Only after about 7-10 years of play was i ever able to hit A/A+ consistently. People like me who might seem skilled are actually huge losers who drowned tons of time into playing over an enormous time period.
keep it up! especially if you enjoy starcraft! ^_~_^_~_^
(if you don't enjoy starcraft, keep playing because this game rules)
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After almost 6 months of pretty occasional practice, I've gone from ~50apm average to ~75apm average, and have better build order execution and macro. I still have huge problems in the transition from early to mid game though, mainly with learning how to apply early pressure, contain properly, and take a 3rd base. I guess you just have to keep playing with someone who is of similar skill level, but a bit better than you. You will lose a ton, but the point is getting better.
Unfortunately, where last iccup season I was a D hitting ~1400 points, this time I'm more of a 1000 point D. I suspect it may have something to do with all my practice being TvZ with my friend, so whenever I get TvP I forget what to do and lose badly.
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I like the thought of having someone who is willing to teach. I would be very interested in getting some personal training sessions (nothing really serious, like I wouldn't pay). Just someone who is good and willing to properly teach and play some games. I just don't know who to ask. I don't want to nag people via PM or anything. Maybe I should make a thread for people looking for training partner. I wonder if people would be interested.
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Mmmm... I quited CS and started to play hardcore SC for about a year and some, and right now i´m just a C C+ 170-210 APM player (nice APM considering that I game PC games since I was like 13 years old and I have sort of quick fingers 8D). But I can´t imagine reach B- rank (and be at the B lvl, like lots of Top european monsters) in 6 months lol, or less than 2-3 years...
And Btw, I think it´s normal, a D+ with 65% winning % I guess it´s very nice, you are in a position now where you can start getting a lot better than before, like learning and mastering better BOs, strats, improving your APM if you can and practice agains´t lots of better players when you reach C-, etc etc etc.
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Well, I don't know if we can actually count APM into the picture. I'm averaging about 210-250 APM but I still suck so bad. I guess its just my game sense. I noticed I've been getting much more by watching replays.
Its painful to watch reps that you lost x(
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Its easier to improve at this point, in my opinion. At this level, there are a lot of things flawed with your gameplay so just finding little things and improve them overall will definitely help you gain a few more levels. Also watch fpvod of progamers to get a sense of what theyre doing and such. I definitely get better after watching FPVOD of good protosses since I play protoss. In the end you just need to remember that the little things add up, and eventually it shows, you cant just go from D+ to C overnight like its a huge leapt or something.
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back in the day on wgt (when it was popular, before the days of pgt and iccup) when i first got into playing I was the D- equivalent of today. let me explain the rankings briefly.
C6 was the lowest ranking, and for each rank you went up the number next to the letter decreased.
C6 - starting rank.
C5 - 300 pts
C4 - 800pts
C3 - 1300pts
....C0, B6 ... B2, B1, A (highest rank)
you gained 100 points for winning, lost 50 for losing when playing people at the same rank. At C6 you didn't lose any points if you lost, only gained them if you won.
when i first started playing, i could not consistently hold C5 rank, and never made it to C4. all i had to do is maintain a 1:1 win/loss ratio and I couldn't do it. I remember once being made fun of by one of my opponents for having played over 50 games but not reaching 800 pts and C4. I spent most my time at C6, and every now then over time my stray wins would add up to 300pts and I'd get to play at C5.
eventually the season ended, and I started again fresh for another season. By the end of the previous season, and the beginning of the new one, I had gained the ability to maintain a consistent C5 rank. of course, I still wasn't good enough to reach C4, but i was able to maintain a 1:2 ratio which would keep me afloat in C5. Another 50 games later and the season came to an end.
wgt was famous for having lengthy delays in between seasons. I don't remember now how long I waited for the new season, but I think i started playing half way through it for the third season. I made it to C3 or C2 with a good ratio before my desire to play ladders dried up. This would roughly be the D+ equivalent of today perhaps.
in retrospect, it was amazing the levels of improvement i went through each season, and how easy it was to see and feel results. as long as you're willing to play through loss after loss you will definitely improve as i had. you'll eventually be able to recognise you're own game breaking mistakes and figure out how to improve on them through mass gaming. just keep at it and i guarantee that before you know it you'll reach D+, then eventually breeze through D+ and wonder why you ever struggled with them
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depens on your practice partners and how many games/replays you play/watch per day imo. Going to B in a year isnt a problem if you're practicing with A-players
There's is no "normal" rank to reach within a year, just play and have fun
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welcome to singapore starcraft
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wtf... @ those guys who made those unqualified / no sence answers to my true comment and example to illustrate it.... it indeed IS very bad. i'm not saying he should give up playing scbw i'm just saying that it's bad, which is true for 1year playing scbw.If he doesn't want to play scbw for real and only funmaps (what he apparently did most of the time) d+ would be ok.
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On October 13 2008 21:46 JMave wrote:
Hi guys. I've been playing starcraft for about a year now and I feel as if I just started. I'm still at the D level, though almost reaching D+. Is this normal? Or am I just so sucky?
Almost reaching D+ in a year -_-;;
Play more or play with a more serious attitude if you want to improve.
If you are playing for fun, who cares if you are even D-.
As for if you are sucky or not - yeah you do, isn't everyone below A a suck?
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On October 13 2008 23:15 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote:
it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year OMG you SO nub i pWn u ez u Stone AGe noob. I'm in GosU clan [ROxOR-L33t] @ EAST and I'm A+ ICCUP in 2 Days. Kill' UrSELF nub !
Beat me too it.
Nice comeback as well nitro ^^
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I feel kind of bad because I am living proof that APM means little. By BWChart, my APM averages around 175, but yet I'm still at D-. I'm sure it is lack of game knowledge, solved by experience, but it is still annoying.
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