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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
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Jathin
United States3505 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
 .Someone who is D+ would have been a good player in 2000-2002  Just mass play with friends or in ladder and try to find a mentor who is better than you then you will get better for sure. I don't really think there is a skill "wall" before C+ level. If you practise you will get better. | ||
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Kolll
Germany15 Posts
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b3h47pte
United States1317 Posts
like the guy above me probably played everyday for many hours each day... i...on the other hand have been playing weekends only for the past 2 years and i still haven't reached D+ blargh. | ||
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KrAzYfoOL
Australia3037 Posts
?Also please ignore Kolll, he's clearly full of shit. | ||
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Nitrogen
United States5345 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year i play 1 day i get a+ u suk but anyways, how often do you play jmave? | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year OMG you SO nub i pWn u ez u Stone AGe noob. I'm in GosU clan [ROxOR-L33t] @ EAST and I'm A+ ICCUP in 2 Days. Kill' UrSELF nub ! | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
and ya, kolll is just trolling. | ||
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hiroxx
Ireland115 Posts
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Chuiu
3470 Posts
 It all depends on the person not the amount of time spent. | ||
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SweeTLemonS[TPR]
11739 Posts
On October 14 2008 00:07 hiroxx wrote: it depends how much you play each day as well remember.. 1 game every day for a year = 10 games in 36.5 days for example No it doesn't. It equals 10 games in 10 days. I played for like two years, and I was horrible. I don't know what my rank would have been, but I was really bad. I used to play Insane all the time, he could back me up on how bad I was... | ||
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hiroxx
Ireland115 Posts
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CoachClutch
United States1 Post
Thanks for you time and help ~Coach Clutch | ||
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FreeDoM[YA]
Canada855 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: So...I'm going to call bs on that LOLit's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year youre very bad. for example me..i play sc for 5 hours and reached in my first season iccup A+ and im A right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be b- lvl after 5 months. NOOB | ||
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aseq
Netherlands3977 Posts
I play about 1 game in 2 months, is that enough?^^ Seriously, don't worry about it. If you want to get better you have to put in a lot of time, but also you need decent opponents. I'm happy if i win any game on bnet since levels have gone up in the last years, i remember back in '99 I could win 4 out of every 5 games and more than that in public games (although my apm was way higher back then). So it's nothing to be ashamed of. Practice makes perfect. | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11579 Posts
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OGzan
United States289 Posts
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
It's been 1.5 years since I played the game. Well it's gonna be 2 years starting from February 09, but during this time I've hit C- twice and the two times were when I both played ICCUP. So I guess it depends on the person. I play TvP and PvX matchups | ||
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SkY)CosMoS
Dominican Republic106 Posts
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GHOSTCLAW
United States17042 Posts
if you play with friends that are at//above your skill level, not only will you get better, but you'll keep playing the game because your friends will wonder where you are if you stop playing. | ||
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ahswtini
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Raithed
China7078 Posts
On October 14 2008 00:54 freedom yay wrote: i've been playing on and off for about 2 years (like 2 games a day or sometimes less) and I'm D-. It's not the years it's the hours more practice you put in, the better you will be. simple as that. | ||
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lIlIlIlIlIlI
Korea (South)3851 Posts
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Red.Cloud
Canada235 Posts
just have fun and keep at it | ||
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year 1. Troll 2. Rejection of COMPLETE social life 3. All of the above Hmmmmmmmm.... | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On October 13 2008 23:00 KrAzYfoOL wrote: What does it matter as long as you're having fun right ?Also please ignore Kolll, he's clearly full of shit. +1 | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
On October 13 2008 23:15 Boblion wrote: OMG you SO nub i pWn u ez u Stone AGe noob. I'm in GosU clan [ROxOR-L33t] @ EAST and I'm A+ ICCUP in 2 Days. Kill' UrSELF nub ! +10 | ||
SilverskY
Korea (South)3086 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Duh ? You really underestimate D+ players or you don't play ICCUP. A D+ player can beat 2 really bad D- players Even Jaedong cant beat 2 D+ players because even if D+ players usually don't have a good macro or micro , they understand the basics. If you don't agree go bet games. You won't see D+ protoss players going forge-gate or one gate carriers ( like the really bad D- ). They will use 2gates / one gate tech / or fe builds for example in PvZ. Their army control and macro won't be perfect but they will use hotkeys. They also know the basics micro tricks ( reaver micro; maybe even muta micro for sure the execution will often be bad ) and the units counters. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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Loveletter
United States543 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On October 14 2008 05:17 Boblion wrote: Duh ? You really underestimate D+ players or you don't play ICCUP. A D+ player can beat 2 really bad D- players Even Jaedong cant beat 2 D+ players because even if D+ players usually don't have a good macro or micro , they understand the basics. If you don't agree go bet games. You won't see D+ protoss players going forge-gate or one gate carriers ( like the really bad D- ). They will use 2gates / one gate tech / or fe builds for example in PvZ. Their army control and macro won't be perfect but they will use hotkeys. They also know the basics micro tricks ( reaver micro; maybe even muta micro for sure the execution will often be bad ) and the units counters. But D+ is still quite a ways below C-... I agree about the skill differential between D+ and D- (from what I've seen), but in truth, it plays out quite a bit differently, I think. D+ may understand all that, and try to incorporate that, but the execution will be off enough. | ||
cgrinker
United States3824 Posts
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mjh
United States133 Posts
On October 14 2008 05:38 zer0das wrote: Eh.. D+ in a year isn't bad at all. I know I hit D+ in like a week or two, but I had been playing 10 years on and off prior to that. What's sad on my part is I learned more in a few months of playing Iccup than I did in 10 years. I know the bulk of my playing occurred years ago, so when I came back everyone was way better and it took a bit to get used to. Getting used to that from the get go probably isn't easy, so you should be proud of how far you've come. Just keeping working and you'll keep getting better. same here. been playing on and off a long time, first time on iccup was d-. but the experience helped i guess, and it was a few months to c-. every level is quite different though. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
That being said, D after a year isn't that good, but it probably isn't your fault. You simply need good friends/practice partners. I host a clan that's meant for good mannered practice partners who hang out on vent and play a lot of SC. If you're interested in this, give me a PM. I started playing at SC2 announcement and I'm C rank. Not the best achievement, but I feel comfortable with it. Vyzhis who also posted in this thread is the reason for it aswell. Me and him have been pushing eachother to our limits for like, 8 months. We started at like D, and now we're both comfortably C. It's all about who you play with and your attitude towards improving. =) | ||
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foodontable
China341 Posts
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Realpenguin
8253 Posts
Recently I have been trying to pick up more games daily but everytime I host a game a D/D+ joins and says "glgl gogogo." That's just lame. Hopefully someone here at D- level could do some massgaming with me. | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On October 14 2008 14:40 Realpenguin wrote: I've been playing on and off since Brood War came out, but I've never gotten into iccup. I was able to keep a D rank a few months back, but I took a long hiatus and I'm back to D- level. Recently I have been trying to pick up more games daily but everytime I host a game a D/D+ joins and says "glgl gogogo." That's just lame. Hopefully someone here at D- level could do some massgaming with me. What do you mean that's just lame? Everyone says "gl hf gogogo" What do you expect them to say? rofl. Ever read the chat before a pro-game? Nada: GL HF GOGOGOGOOG Edit: Oh. You mean to say that you want D-'s to join, not D's or D+. The thing is, there aren't many D-'s like at all. They just make new accounts. So laddering at D- I can imagine to be very annoying. But you should love playing d/d+ as D-. When you win, they lose so many points. =D | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3889 Posts
Its actually funny, most D+ wont play with D- cause of the points they'll lose.. i tell them I suck, and they are like, .**** you, and leave. Really its not very easy to get better,however, your probably like me in the fact that you enjoy playing competitively, and have a pretty competitive attitude towards the things you do. Starcraft is a really hard game to get down, Ive actually come to realize some of the major things Im doing wrong lately, alot of it is during the late beginning, early mid game to late game.. and my game just slows down alot compared to my opponents, my multitasking, hot keying, not building units, 30 apm self =P If you want to play with me or any other D-, Ds want to play on the competitive maps lmk, Im willing to play quite a bit. | ||
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Augury
United States758 Posts
You really want to watch your replays as well. 8x speed is fine and it will help you catch things you missed. | ||
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Day[9]
United States7366 Posts
On October 13 2008 21:46 JMave wrote: Hi guys. I've been playing starcraft for about a year now and I feel as if I just started. I'm still at the D level, though almost reaching D+. Is this normal? Or am I just so sucky? i think that's actually pretty awesome! i was probably at D- level for maybe 3 years. Only after about 7-10 years of play was i ever able to hit A/A+ consistently. People like me who might seem skilled are actually huge losers who drowned tons of time into playing over an enormous time period. keep it up! especially if you enjoy starcraft! ^_~_^_~_^ (if you don't enjoy starcraft, keep playing because this game rules) | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
Unfortunately, where last iccup season I was a D hitting ~1400 points, this time I'm more of a 1000 point D. I suspect it may have something to do with all my practice being TvZ with my friend, so whenever I get TvP I forget what to do and lose badly. | ||
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lluvia_0
Australia20 Posts
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Juanpe
Uruguay283 Posts
And Btw, I think it´s normal, a D+ with 65% winning % I guess it´s very nice, you are in a position now where you can start getting a lot better than before, like learning and mastering better BOs, strats, improving your APM if you can and practice agains´t lots of better players when you reach C-, etc etc etc. | ||
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
Its painful to watch reps that you lost x( | ||
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XCetron
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SoMuchBetter
Australia10606 Posts
C6 was the lowest ranking, and for each rank you went up the number next to the letter decreased. C6 - starting rank. C5 - 300 pts C4 - 800pts C3 - 1300pts ....C0, B6 ... B2, B1, A (highest rank) you gained 100 points for winning, lost 50 for losing when playing people at the same rank. At C6 you didn't lose any points if you lost, only gained them if you won. when i first started playing, i could not consistently hold C5 rank, and never made it to C4. all i had to do is maintain a 1:1 win/loss ratio and I couldn't do it. I remember once being made fun of by one of my opponents for having played over 50 games but not reaching 800 pts and C4. I spent most my time at C6, and every now then over time my stray wins would add up to 300pts and I'd get to play at C5. eventually the season ended, and I started again fresh for another season. By the end of the previous season, and the beginning of the new one, I had gained the ability to maintain a consistent C5 rank. of course, I still wasn't good enough to reach C4, but i was able to maintain a 1:2 ratio which would keep me afloat in C5. Another 50 games later and the season came to an end. wgt was famous for having lengthy delays in between seasons. I don't remember now how long I waited for the new season, but I think i started playing half way through it for the third season. I made it to C3 or C2 with a good ratio before my desire to play ladders dried up. This would roughly be the D+ equivalent of today perhaps. in retrospect, it was amazing the levels of improvement i went through each season, and how easy it was to see and feel results. as long as you're willing to play through loss after loss you will definitely improve as i had. you'll eventually be able to recognise you're own game breaking mistakes and figure out how to improve on them through mass gaming. just keep at it and i guarantee that before you know it you'll reach D+, then eventually breeze through D+ and wonder why you ever struggled with them | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
There's is no "normal" rank to reach within a year, just play and have fun | ||
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Dyllyn
Singapore670 Posts
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Kolll
Germany15 Posts
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
On October 13 2008 21:46 JMave wrote: Hi guys. I've been playing starcraft for about a year now and I feel as if I just started. I'm still at the D level, though almost reaching D+. Is this normal? Or am I just so sucky? Almost reaching D+ in a year -_-;; Play more or play with a more serious attitude if you want to improve. If you are playing for fun, who cares if you are even D-. As for if you are sucky or not - yeah you do, isn't everyone below A a suck? | ||
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404.Delirium
United States1190 Posts
On October 13 2008 23:15 Boblion wrote: OMG you SO nub i pWn u ez u Stone AGe noob. I'm in GosU clan [ROxOR-L33t] @ EAST and I'm A+ ICCUP in 2 Days. Kill' UrSELF nub ! Beat me too it. Nice comeback as well nitro ^^ | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
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.gypsy
Canada689 Posts
On October 15 2008 02:52 Shadowfury333 wrote: I feel kind of bad because I am living proof that APM means little. By BWChart, my APM averages around 175, but yet I'm still at D-. I'm sure it is lack of game knowledge, solved by experience, but it is still annoying. Hehe dont worry man. I average 300+ apm and am only C~C+ (although that might be quite quite quite modest of me hehe ) But thats just how some people play I mean im used to going fast even if it is spam, cant help it, however I am playing harder and harder and most of it is becoming more and more useful =] | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year omg pumping that old topic.. just because.. I find this so funny/amazing.. Especially take a look at the other guys reactions.. :D | ||
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kulik-
Czech Republic305 Posts
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JoMal
Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
On November 14 2009 22:55 MaGic~PhiL wrote: omg pumping that old topic.. just because.. I find this so funny/amazing.. Especially take a look at the other guys reactions.. :D this | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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520
United States2822 Posts
On November 14 2009 23:15 iLoveKT wrote: lol. got me laughing. I wonder what those people who reacted to kolll have to say now. Most of them are banned. Goes to see where they went on with their TeamLiquid posting history, right? :p | ||
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wok
United States504 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
All you kolll fanboys make it sound like he's some kind of SC prodigy, he probably spent every hour awake playing starcraft, if you're serious about something and spend a lot of time really wanting to learn from your mistakes, eventually you'll get better. On November 14 2009 23:02 kulik- wrote: koll registered to TL in June 2k8 srsl he play just a year? It is possible to play SC without being a member of TL. | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Sup? | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On November 15 2009 00:06 Plexa wrote: And now he's a serious contender to win 10k in the TSL? Sup? hoping for ESPORTS drama here :D (already got a bit with the nongmin thing) | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
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QuakerOats
United States1024 Posts
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
GO GERMAN ZERGS! KOLL FOR TSL2 WINNAR! | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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anderoo
Canada1876 Posts
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Mortician
Bulgaria2332 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
I could easily reach C with protoss in a couple of months. I'm C-/C terran after playing for years. I never really tried to get good for a long period of time though | ||
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keV.
United States3214 Posts
On November 14 2009 22:55 MaGic~PhiL wrote: omg pumping that old topic.. just because.. I find this so funny/amazing.. Especially take a look at the other guys reactions.. :D haha nice find, the reactions and the once unbanned posts are hilarious. | ||
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Godimus
United States126 Posts
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9287
United States134 Posts
but it might be because all of my friends are C or C+ and i play against them all day | ||
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l10f
United States3241 Posts
I can make and stay at C- but never make it to C. | ||
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Mobius
Canada1268 Posts
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SnowFantasy
4173 Posts
its awesome | ||
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1984
Ukraine115 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
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meeple
Canada10211 Posts
I want to see more of him in the TSL2, I hope he puts on a better show. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year Are you really Kolll? :o Thats really impressive.. your like a starcraft prodigy though. | ||
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LordWeird
United States3411 Posts
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22254 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
On November 15 2009 03:01 l10f wrote: If you can get to D+, you can get to C- pretty easily, but Getting to C and C+ is a very hard jump I can make and stay at C- but never make it to C. I think C+ to B- is harder, that's when I noticed it became much harder to get games. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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yhnmk
Canada630 Posts
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N.geNuity
United States5112 Posts
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lone_hydra
Canada1460 Posts
On November 15 2009 06:18 yhnmk wrote: For playing seriously, rather than just once a month- it took me 3 days. It took you 3 days from when you started to become D+??? | ||
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EverydayStruggle
United States77 Posts
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EverydayStruggle
United States77 Posts
On October 13 2008 23:00 KrAzYfoOL wrote: What does it matter as long as you're having fun right ?Also please ignore Kolll, he's clearly full of shit. quoted this for future reference. obviously, this is a 1-year bump, as krazyfool wouldn't have said this when he saw koll 2-0 idra with ease | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
retards | ||
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So no fek
United States3001 Posts
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SirGlinG
Sweden933 Posts
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Catch]22
Sweden2683 Posts
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Hamrider
4 Posts
if you've been D+ for a year that's great, you have a massive pool of opponents to play against. | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5502 Posts
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s.a.y
Croatia3840 Posts
ever. | ||
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JohnBall
Brazil1272 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Kolll needs to come on here with a "LOL SUP" | ||
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PhilGood2DaY
Germany7424 Posts
kolll streaming would give us a quality which only ret can / did provide =) still this is so gold.. how the things went ect.. just lol ^^ little time ago he got flamed ect.. no he played vs stork and bisu at the wcg getting the best results out of all foreigners.. so sick | ||
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year shows a lack of maturity. Although i didn't believe him at first, my main problem was that he was pretty much bragging and bm. But well he is like 14... had to be expected. | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
Getting to D+ in one year is perfectly normal and it is stupid to come here ( when you have less then 10 posts ) just to say "omg you terrible i got to B ". | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
On November 16 2009 06:44 Boblion wrote: Actually his post is still stupid. I'm happy for him after his WCG performance and he is indeed gifted for this game but this: shows a lack of maturity. Although i didn't believe him at first, my main problem was that he was pretty much bragging and bm. But well he is like 14... had to be expected. Why is it braging or "bm" if he is telling the truth.... maybe its little imature but he was like 12-13 years then . He just compared OP with himself which is extremly bad compared to him and you are still got the nerve talking bad about kolll this after acting like a complete douchebag at that time ... shhh pls On October 13 2008 23:15 Boblion wrote: OMG you SO nub i pWn u ez u Stone AGe noob. I'm in GosU clan [ROxOR-L33t] @ EAST and I'm A+ ICCUP in 2 Days. Kill' UrSELF nub ! Damn your post was extremly intelegent 1 year ago and you still as much or more "intelegent" today | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 16 2009 07:05 SkelA wrote: Why is it braging or "bm" if he is telling the truth.... maybe its little imature but he was like 12-13 years then . He just compared OP with himself which is extremly bad compared to him and you are still got the nerve talking bad about kolll this after acting like a complete douchebag at that time ... shhh pls Damn your post was extremly intelegent 1 year ago and you still as much or more "intelegent" today I'm very intelegent | ||
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datscilly
United States528 Posts
But, yeah, in reality, his just stating of the level he reached with no background and saying it's "very bad" to reach D+ after a year was either stupid, or more likely, showed immaturity or unfamiliarity with the forum. In his first post that's what he showed, but in the end it was ok, because he showed everyone. | ||
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Furpop
United States2 Posts
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
yknow, cause it's easier than saying - "maybe if I want to get good, I should play more." | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
On November 16 2009 05:34 jimminy_kriket wrote: Infernal how long did it take you to get to C+ / B- level? Not long at all, a bit longer than kolll, but then again I have been playing BGH for 2-3 years before so yea. I wasn't nearly as dedicated as kolll when I started, and I doubt I ever will be. He just doesn't give a fuck about losing and keeps practicing and practicing and practicing. That's what seperates him from others. I'm quite sure everybody can get C+/B- level if he does ~300 games per ICC season and keeps playing preferably against a shitload of Koreans like he did. However this is frustrating as FUCK and thus deserves mad props IMO. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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ICCup.Reyis
Niger25 Posts
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
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wok
United States504 Posts
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Speake
United States494 Posts
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
"hi i'm 15, my penis is only (insert number) inches long, is that normal?" serious note, it depend on the person. I played UMS/fastest for 3 years and when i first played lowmoney i can barely get to D+. and i'm now C- after about 6 months. gl. | ||
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wok
United States504 Posts
On November 16 2009 12:16 BabyRhino wrote: this feels a lot like a "hi i'm 15, my penis is only (insert number) inches long, is that normal?" serious note, it depend on the person. I played UMS/fastest for 3 years and when i first played lowmoney i can barely get to D+. and i'm now C- after about 6 months. gl. 50 inches. is it? | ||
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Gladwell's 10,000 hour rule | ||
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On November 16 2009 12:30 tree.hugger wrote: This is what it comes down to: Gladwell's 10,000 hour rule read the book... doesn't apply to if you want to reach B- on iccup... its more like if you want to be jaedong of starcraft. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
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KwarK
United States42689 Posts
Don't be like that, just keep grinding out the games vs koreans. | ||
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Retsukage
United States1002 Posts
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wok
United States504 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On November 16 2009 13:30 BabyRhino wrote: read the book... doesn't apply to if you want to reach B- on iccup... its more like if you want to be jaedong of starcraft. you're very bad. for example me. i read Outliers for 5days and reached in my first week book in hand the end and im reading What the Dog Saw right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to think I didn't read the book after posting that | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 16 2009 16:25 tree.hugger wrote: you're very bad. for example me. i read Outliers for 5days and reached in my first week book in hand the end and im reading What the Dog Saw right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to think I didn't read the book after posting that I find it quite hilarious that someone can publish a book that just basically says: time invested in a subject + luck + right place/right time=success in the subject and it becomes a bestseller Well Gladwell is a pretty good raconteur so that makes up for it I guess | ||
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[DUF]MethodMan
Germany1716 Posts
On November 16 2009 07:37 Piy wrote: DRAMMAAAAA from the past. Seriously guys, Kolll played a huge amount to get this good this fast. If anyone played the amount he played they would have gotten a similar result. People are still trapped in the mentality that you've got to have some kind of unwritten gift to be able to be good at this game, and feel that they must obviously not have it when they play 5 games a day and struggle to make C- yknow, cause it's easier than saying - "maybe if I want to get good, I should play more." I'm no Kolll fanboy at all, more of the opposite. But you do realize there is a shit ton of players on ICCup having the same or even more games played than him and they still suck. Just last night I played some dude in BWCL who had like 200-200 C+ (Kolll when just practising has the same winratio at that level) and I managed to expand into his 2nd nat on Collo while building Scouts there. While it sounds like bragging, it's just the most recent example why your statement isn't true at all. Yes, you need to play an insane amount of games to get this good in that short amount of time BUT, it's not like anyone could do it. | ||
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On November 16 2009 16:41 samachking wrote: I find it quite hilarious that someone can publish a book that just basically says: time invested in a subject + luck + right place/right time=success in the subject and it becomes a bestseller Well Gladwell is a pretty good raconteur so that makes up for it I guess Are you kidding? You can publish your book about your life as 13 year old boy who likes women clothes and proceeds to make sex change operation and be called hero for your success story. Like it counts, unless you win an olympic medal of course =] | ||
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Ao_Jun
Denmark396 Posts
I believe that everyone could get to at least C lvl in an iccup season, and probably B or so in 2 (But these numbers(LETTERZ!) are completely made up on the spot) I just think it takes more than brutal´mass gaming, i think you have to focus when you play, don't watch TV meanwhile, you have to not tilt when you lose, think about why you lost/won, study BO's, and so on. Saying "I played 600 games in 2 months and im stuck at D+" does not mean you have no talent - you might just not be playing the right way. And i think it's extremely impressive that koll could do what he did - takes real dedication. Mad street cred to him and his crew. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8090 Posts
You're diggin' yourself deeper man keep going | ||
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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InToTheWannaB
United States4770 Posts
EDIT: BTW Magic~PhiL how u find this to bump it? lol | ||
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araav
Armenia1590 Posts
very good find | ||
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eNoq
Netherlands502 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year cocky kid is cocky | ||
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Boblion
France8043 Posts
On November 15 2009 22:35 Bisu wrote: Ok i'm really happy for you and i'mma let you finish but i think that we Koreans are the fastest learners of ALL TIME. gg btw kekeke ^^V Bisu is really mean | ||
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FantomX
Canada247 Posts
thanks 4chan. Kolll is sick. Anyone who can take 4th (behind 3 of the 4 top players in the world) at WCG can say what he wants. | ||
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Rodiel
France573 Posts
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SkylineSC
United States564 Posts
On November 16 2009 16:25 tree.hugger wrote: you're very bad. for example me. i read Outliers for 5days and reached in my first week book in hand the end and im reading What the Dog Saw right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to think I didn't read the book after posting that read as in, I read the book. past tense... not, hey you go read the book. and i could care less if you read blink, tipping point and every other caldwell book out there lol... makes no difference in your understanding of what he said. the whole point caldwell made was that there aren't too many shortcuts to mastery of a subject. getting to B- is not mastery of starcraft, how one learns and studies and practices plays a huge role. someone can practice for 5 months incorrectly and not be nearly as efficient as someone else practicing for half the time the right way. | ||
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ThePhan2m
Norway2750 Posts
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
On November 17 2009 00:14 BabyRhino wrote: read as in, I read the book. past tense... not, hey you go read the book. and i could care less if you read blink, tipping point and every other caldwell book out there lol... makes no difference in your understanding of what he said. the whole point caldwell made was that there aren't too many shortcuts to mastery of a subject. getting to B- is not mastery of starcraft, how one learns and studies and practices plays a huge role. someone can practice for 5 months incorrectly and not be nearly as efficient as someone else practicing for half the time the right way. do you really not see what he did there? | ||
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meathook
1289 Posts
Anyway, the only thing this proves is that koll managed to improve his SC play a lot somehow in a short period. His comment is still idiotic and laughable. Oh lawd... whenever this happens, it is so beautiful it puts a tear in my eye. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Japakazol
United States102 Posts
I'd be interested to see how people's game numbers compare to rank improvement. I discovered iccup/tl.net around March '09 and was a D- newbie with little to no understanding of basic builds/macro. ~1500 games later I'm approaching C (though with 40% win rate). Anyone else want to throw some numbers out there? | ||
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Pokebunny
United States10654 Posts
I'm 14 too; been playing like a year and a half and only C+ T_T which means that me and kolll have been playing the same amount of time, and he's barely older than me, and... FML. | ||
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m4gdelen4
United States416 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year ahaha rofl. ive been playing a little more than one year and im still at d, after hitting d+ only once. thats only because i play on and off thought. during my "on" times i play alot of games where i lose all of the first 10 games and then win a little more. in other words, i notice my improvement the more i play, so should you if you are practicing right. i usually get a little bored and stop after 60 games or so, and then come back a couple weeks later to climb back up to d from d-. | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
Being honest is being cocky to you? | ||
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
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HopLight
Sweden999 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On November 17 2009 04:36 Corvi wrote: you musn't call the other guy very bad to be honest The topic starter asked if he is being sucky and Koll gave him a straight answer. Why would you even start a topic like this if you arent taking learning SC seriously and if you do ''its very bad'' =] | ||
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DreaM)XeRO
Korea (South)4667 Posts
im in tears xD | ||
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ejac
United States1195 Posts
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
On November 17 2009 07:31 Jakalo wrote: The topic starter asked if he is being sucky and Koll gave him a straight answer. Why would you even start a topic like this if you arent taking learning SC seriously and if you do ''its very bad'' =] of course d+ after 1 year gaming isn't very good, but if honesty also means being a dick, then maybe it's not worth it. i call it the idra phenomenon. | ||
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leMaj24
United States262 Posts
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L_P_Monix
Australia157 Posts
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thez
Canada65 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
I think before we even talk about reading whole books, we should make sure that BabyRhino has read the first page of this thread... EDIT: Also, I just noticed. GLADWELL, not "Caldwell", hahaha. | ||
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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MrHickoryHam54
United States208 Posts
On October 13 2008 22:35 Kolll wrote: it's very bad. for example me.. i play sc for 5months and reached in my first season iccup b- and im c+ right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be at d+ lvl after 1year dont listen to this guy. u have to play sc like 4 hrs a day if u do this. probly need portable toilet near ur computer as well... | ||
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RaGe
Belgium9947 Posts
On November 18 2009 00:19 MrHickoryHam54 wrote: dont listen to this guy. u have to play sc like 4 hrs a day if u do this. probly need portable toilet near ur computer as well... then again, you get to win 4th place at WCG | ||
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ERGO
United States168 Posts
do they provide portable toilets at WCG? I saw someone's signature once, it was "If they are worse than me they are a noob, if they are better they have no life" /thread? | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
I can't believe this guy 2-0ed Idra in wcg and placed 4th under jaedong stork and bisu. This is truly an epic thread. | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
On November 18 2009 02:53 ghostWriter wrote: ROFL I can't believe this guy 2-0ed Idra in wcg and placed 4th under jaedong stork and bisu. This is truly an epic thread. haha my thoughts exactly | ||
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Boundz(DarKo)
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SultanVinegar
United States372 Posts
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betaben
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closed
Vatican City State491 Posts
On November 18 2009 00:19 MrHickoryHam54 wrote: dont listen to this guy. u have to play sc like 4 hrs a day if u do this. probly need portable toilet near ur computer as well... Do you need to use a toilet every 4 hours? Dont want to sound like Koll, but doesnt it mean that you have some health issues? o_o | ||
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
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Tonyy
United States86 Posts
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
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Wr3k
Canada2533 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v462/3xcommodore/iccuprankspie.gif) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=99016 D+ basically means you are in the top 30% of players. | ||
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OoFuzer
Chile436 Posts
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KnightOfNi
United States1508 Posts
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wok
United States504 Posts
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Foreplay
United States1154 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
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FaCE_1
Canada6172 Posts
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awol
Australia79 Posts
On October 14 2008 23:37 Kolll wrote: wtf... @ those guys who made those unqualified / no sence answers to my true comment and example to illustrate it.... it indeed IS very bad. i'm not saying he should give up playing scbw i'm just saying that it's bad, which is true for 1year playing scbw.If he doesn't want to play scbw for real and only funmaps (what he apparently did most of the time) d+ would be ok. Haha best! | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13032 Posts
I still remember playing him when he was C+ with stats like 250-270 and boy i was surprized he gave me so hard games defeating me 2-0 while other ppl with very good stats i can beat easily. I couldnt beleive someone was that good with such crappy stats, The difference is that he actually never rages like 99% of ppl losing to some random korean guy with bad stats and tries to find his mistakes and improve his game. He always plays standard trying to improve instead going for A- rank with good stats. Most of ppl cant handle that so they never improve even playing more than Kolll. Anyone who just bashes Kolll with the portable toilets and w/e else are just idiots who are mad they cant get higher than C while playing years and years of sc and some random kid can. | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
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kerpal
United Kingdom2695 Posts
kolll, come back with a 10th post! all is forgiven! haha | ||
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vRoOk
United States1024 Posts
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NeCroPoTeNce
United States513 Posts
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Sabre
United Kingdom1086 Posts
bumped for the epicness, was linked in a diff topic :D (classic example of "oh the irony") | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
On September 13 2011 03:55 SabreUK wrote: Oh Koll, where are you now... bumped for the epicness, was linked in a diff topic :D (classic example of "oh the irony") Probably GM in SCII Oo...... | ||
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On September 13 2011 03:55 SabreUK wrote: Oh Koll, where are you now... bumped for the epicness, was linked in a diff topic :D (classic example of "oh the irony") he's still playing BW, I watched him play a ZvZ bo5 against Castro yesterday in Kaal's ISL | ||
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ppshchik
United States862 Posts
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XXGeneration
United States625 Posts
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KenNage
Chile885 Posts
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IceCube
Croatia1403 Posts
Brings a joy to my old BW heart. <3 | ||
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ArvickHero
10387 Posts
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Brycks7
Peru183 Posts
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Phyrigian
New Zealand1332 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Zhazulo
Sweden226 Posts
thanks! | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Air2gear
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
On October 13 2008 21:51 Boblion wrote: D+ is already a good achievement. It means that you understand how the game works and that you know basic Bos, micro tricks and hotkeys .Someone who is D+ would have been a good player in 2000-2002 Just mass play with friends or in ladder and try to find a mentor who is better than you then you will get better for sure. I don't really think there is a skill "wall" before C+ level. If you practise you will get better. That is not completely true. Not to be braggy or cocky but I started playing a lot maybe 5 months ago am I have reach D+/C- level. It was during the summer so I played maybe 3-4 hours a day for maybe a month and I reach the goal I wanted to go. | ||
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klops
United States674 Posts
On September 13 2011 07:32 RaLakedaimon wrote: Haha love how they slammed the guy being a douche, TL been manner for many many moons. :D i think you missed the point. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10158 Posts
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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slam
United States923 Posts
Sup?" <3 Plexa | ||
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JMave
Singapore1803 Posts
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wassbix
Canada499 Posts
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kineSiS-
Korea (South)1068 Posts
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chocolatebunny
301 Posts
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MyLastSerenade
Germany710 Posts
On September 13 2011 09:43 chocolatebunny wrote: did Koll play in wcg at all because i think i saw him in one of those games too? he becaem 4th in 2009 or 2008 i think, only lost to koreans °_° | ||
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ThePianoDentist
United Kingdom698 Posts
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Doraemon
Australia14949 Posts
On September 13 2011 09:48 MyLastSerenade wrote: he becaem 4th in 2009 or 2008 i think, only lost to koreans °_° took a game off JD, i think...2009? | ||
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XsebT
Denmark2980 Posts
Aren't you thinking of advocate's goliath stuff on tau cross vs jaedong? Kolll 2-0'd idra though. | ||
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OscarN
Cape Verde292 Posts
EDIT didnt realize how old this thread was.. | ||
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unit
United States2621 Posts
On September 13 2011 10:59 OscarN wrote: depends on how much you play, if you notice kolll played ofr 7 months and was b+ lol and even beat idra EDIT didnt realize how old this thread was.. when you edited that did the irony hit you? i love this thread with a passion lol its just so funny because even i thought kolll was going to get banned for trolling or something xD he is proof that with the right mindset and practice you can get to a competitive level in under a year | ||
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
On October 14 2008 01:01 clazziquai wrote: youre very bad. for example me..i play sc for 5 hours and reached in my first season iccup A+ and im A right now so it's gotta be pretty bad to be b- lvl after 5 months. NOOB Nice Estro sig | ||
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
Last one left on TL... | ||
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djbhINDI
United States372 Posts
Yeah. Watch everyone switch to Oz and FOX and MBC sigs now... Oh man, so many teams going under. ((( | ||
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kaleidoscope
Singapore2887 Posts
funny how ppl actually took kolll then as a troll making that remark lol | ||
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8882
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Hesmyrr
Canada5776 Posts
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don_kyuhote
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Endymion
United States3701 Posts
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Wrath
3174 Posts
On March 06 2016 01:26 Endymion wrote: i got to A on fish after only 5 hours of installing the game lol, too easy fkers. Winner of the NSL! :D | ||
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HerbMon
United States461 Posts
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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B-royal
Belgium1330 Posts
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Zera
Lithuania716 Posts
On March 06 2016 03:56 B-royal wrote: Which race was Koll? Zerg. Two hatch muta'ing all the way to 4-th place in WCG! :D | ||
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HerbMon
United States461 Posts
On March 06 2016 03:11 oGoZenob wrote: i wonder how good op is now, since he had 8 years of practice since he posted it ^^ hahah shit im an idiot xD | ||
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Switzerland8970 Posts
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