EPTHardest Race Poll - Page 13
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sephiroth85
New Zealand87 Posts
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nATHANN
Finland56 Posts
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intrigue
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
On May 15 2008 22:17 diehilde wrote: the only real statement this poll makes is which race is the noob race - protoss! funny that only protoss users disagree, everybody who played zerg and terran knows that toss is for noobs. with terran u need insane mechanics to be good, with zerg u need good mechanics and good tactical understanding to go anywhere, while with protoss mediocre mechanics and a certain level of stupidity is not much of a problem. olololol agreed i'm so glad there are race icons so i can just ignore every protoss post to make it even easier for me they should just change protoss icons to the attack move symbol | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
Protoss only have spiders filled with ice cream =( | ||
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Reflex
Canada703 Posts
On May 15 2008 23:58 SuperJongMan wrote: What's so hard about a moving cracklings? or orange elephant stampedes of inviniciblity or giant laser shooting hammer head spaceships.... Protoss only have spiders filled with ice cream =( And, with the average temperature of Starcraft being above zero degrees... Just rename thread "vote for whichever race you play!" and let's leave it at that. | ||
CTStalker
Canada9720 Posts
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ZpuX
Sweden1230 Posts
But I guess it would be quite boring if everyone shared the same view on everything.... | ||
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iCCup.Trent
Argentina469 Posts
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
 If it was as imbalanced as everyone in this thread seems to think, we all wouldn't still be playing this game and starcraft wouldn't be the most professionally played game in the world. Tho I'm not gonna lie, there have definitely been times I've wanted to remove consume from the game. | ||
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Little-Chimp
Canada951 Posts
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
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Semiotics
United States1 Post
On May 15 2008 12:56 ChaosKnight wrote: In addition to my earlier post, I would also like to say that this type of poll is confounded waist-deep in shitty bias. Naturally, a person who votes in a poll like this will favor their own race, after all, who wants to play a race that is seen as "easy to master?" To address something the ever-so eloquent ChaosKnight said earlier, discarding the polls as irrelevant data would be a naive statistical conclusion, a mistake I would expect only an intro to stat student to make. Of course, you sneak in phrases such as "after all" to give credence to your apparently uncontroversial claim, but as most literary analysts would agree, the weakest part of an argument is one which appeals to intuition. It is so glaringly obvious you do not need to even provide a warrant. But let's not be too quick to assume that people will always come to the rescue of their race. Sure, there is some negative stigma attached to playing a "noob" or "easy" race, but that is likely to only affect a small portion of the population. I would even go so far as to argue the opposite, that people will play "easy races to master" because well, they're easy to master. After all, who wants to lose? Just like with any sport, players will, over time, migrate into the position they're best at. We don't see Kobe playing center because he's simply not big enough. For Kobe, shooting guard is the easiest for him given his natural assets and abilities. If he were playing center, the harder "race" for him, the Lakers would almost certainly not be 3-2 against the Jazz (Go Lakers!). Apart from that, even if some bias did in fact exist, that would have no statistical bearing on the results. See, from a statistical point of view, sampling bias would only be unfavorable if the bias is umm, biased. If there seems to be an even proportion of people voting in every category, then the bias is irrelevant. One might say in response that "teh poles where biesd lulz lrn2 smrt", but think about it like this. There seems to be some agreement in the community, or at least not much disagreement, about this fact. A plurality of players, noob and pro, choose protoss as their main race. Why? A number of reasons. First, (more applicable to noobs than pros) aside from the awkward circular power grid system, the protoss race is relatively uncomplicated (not to be mistaken with easy). The protoss tech tree is far more linear than terran and zerg. Terran tech requires new-comers to memorize add-ons and add-on requirements, and zerg tech is just a web affixed to a central nexus (not "the nexus" lulz). The simplicity of protoss tech might be lure enough for a completely new player to choose protoss over the other races. Second, (also more applicable to noobs than pros) big numbers are appealing. People would rather be in control of 10 sexy gods-with-blades than 30 miniature dogs things. Maybe this is just anecdotal, but in my opinion, the human mind is more prone to perceiving big changes than small ones. We'd notice something like a bouncing ball more than a snail crawling on our sidewalks. Albeit tangentially, this would explain the attractiveness of the protoss race because it relies on the combination of large, powerful units as opposed to many more smaller units. Third, although it might seem circular, the presence of a formidable protoss force in the proleagues may entice intermediate players to join the protoss league. If I find that kids taking AP classes at my school are getting into more and better colleges, I would want to take those classes myself. Even if it won't guarantee acceptance into Harvard or Yale, just like how protoss pros seldom win prestigious titles, it'll increase my chances of getting into an acceptable school. So how does this apply to the bias in the polls? Well, if we accept that most players will play protoss, and if we likewise accept ChaosKnight's claim that players will not want to play a race considered "easy", then the polls would not have been so biased against the protoss. Essentially, if there did exist some bias in the way people voted, that people vote their own race as the hardest, we would expect the protoss race to garner the plurality of votes to reflect the plurality of protoss players. Since that did not happen we could conclude that the bias of the polls is not present and that people voted for the race they truly believed to be the hardest. Even as a protoss player I would agree without reservation that terran is pretty fucking hard. Will respond to others later. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
On May 15 2008 22:17 diehilde wrote: the only real statement this poll makes is which race is the noob race - protoss! funny that only protoss users disagree, everybody who played zerg and terran knows that toss is for noobs. with terran u need insane mechanics to be good, with zerg u need good mechanics and good tactical understanding to go anywhere, while with protoss mediocre mechanics and a certain level of stupidity is not much of a problem. newb#1 ding ding ding ding | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
On May 15 2008 22:17 diehilde wrote: the only real statement this poll makes is which race is the noob race - protoss! funny that only protoss users disagree, everybody who played zerg and terran knows that toss is for noobs. with terran u need insane mechanics to be good, with zerg u need good mechanics and good tactical understanding to go anywhere, while with protoss mediocre mechanics and a certain level of stupidity is not much of a problem. And any competent player of any race would know what you said is a pile of shit. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
So do Corsairs. Fuck. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On May 15 2008 23:45 intrigue wrote: olololol agreed i'm so glad there are race icons so i can just ignore every protoss post to make it even easier for me they should just change protoss icons to the attack move symbol QFMFT | ||
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0xDEADBEEF
Germany1235 Posts
This alone is enough to say that P is the easiest race overall (Easy macro; A few micro mistakes are tolerable because the units can take a punch; Generally fewer APM needed). Of course saying it's a "noob race" is a bit harsh, because it also takes a lot of skill to master, but still, P is the easiest of the three. Plus, current maps tend to favor P. I'm not surprised at all that P players are doing so damn well in non-Korean tournaments. Non-Korean pros don't have the rigorous mechanics training the Korean pros get, so naturally P does best in the foreigner area, T worst, and Z is in the middle. We have very, very few successful Terrans. It's just too demanding on speed/mechanics to play well. | ||
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IzzyCraft
United States4487 Posts
lol isnt the quote for you fusion "whats that, you have basic macro skills? well fuck then welcome to team protoss." lol | ||
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