Flash's D-Matrix on magma's overlords...?

On May 08 2008 07:35 emucxg wrote:

Vittu -.-
are u from finland

On May 08 2008 08:00 emucxg wrote:

ya~~ ^_^

On May 08 2008 08:10 kyjori wrote:
magma is an up and comer... i hope he busts out this season

On May 08 2008 08:16 emucxg wrote:

i am chinese but i live in finland, cos my dad works here =)

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On May 08 2008 07:33 Jumperer wrote:
it's a strategic move. D matrix overlord force his opponent to stare at it and as a result: his opponent has less APM to macro/micro.

On May 08 2008 08:16 RaGe wrote:

estro had a lot of 'up and comers' but only upmagic really busted out.

On May 08 2008 08:52 IntoTheWow wrote:
Kid's get cocky and do shit like this. Then some old schooler like boxer comes and rapes them with some fancy strat and they cry.

On May 08 2008 09:03 darktreb wrote:
Except with the way Flash is playing, that'll never happen.

On May 08 2008 07:59 Djabanete wrote:
Go.go has being doing it rather a lot (sending firebats vs firebathero when he'd already won

EDIT: not that FBH didn't deserve some firebat ownage.

On May 08 2008 07:59 Djabanete wrote:
Is it just me or is this sort of thing getting more common? Go.go has being doing it rather a lot (sending firebats vs firebathero when he'd already won, or building a command center inside the base of some protoss after successfully rushing), and now Flash with this defensive matrix...

I guess I subscribe to the view that nothing you do within the game is really BM, because if you're in a position to be dicking around and they can't stop you, it's because they've already lost anyway. That said I personally don't do stuff like that, I just try to finish them off as efficiently as possible...

EDIT: not that FBH didn't deserve some firebat ownage.

On May 08 2008 07:44 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
No mistake, just being cocky.
Same thing with Bisu vs. Hwasin where he built a few scouts just to humiliate him, when the game was already decided.

On May 08 2008 08:20 il0seonpurpose wrote:
FBH sent all his scvs against some other TvT when he knew he won. But what flash did is sorta bm and cocky, I hope he loses to the next zerg and the zerg does some pointless spell on his units (if there is a pointless spell) and I'm not a flash hater, just makes me mad.

On May 08 2008 07:49 ForAdun wrote:
I was actually a bit shocked when I saw this move since it gave magma some momentum back to pressure flash which he did for quite some time at 6 o' clock. Flash surely knew he had a winning advantage but taking such risk in an important game is just badass no matter how confident you are. Mad props!

On May 08 2008 10:37 Last Romantic wrote:
Pff. I think it's fine.

BTW Magma's been 'up and coming' since '06, I don't think that counts anymore.

On May 08 2008 07:44 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
No mistake, just being cocky.
Same thing with Bisu vs. Hwasin where he built a few scouts just to humiliate him, when the game was already decided.

On May 08 2008 10:43 thunk wrote:


Those scouts were really a tech choice. The game hadn't already been decided, but it was definitely Bisu showing Hwsain that he could beat him with any unit.

On May 08 2008 07:44 0xDEADBEEF wrote:
No mistake, just being cocky.
Same thing with Bisu vs. Hwasin where he built a few scouts just to humiliate him, when the game was already decided.

On May 08 2008 11:30 useLess wrote:
Im just waiting for when someone dicks around and gets his shit slapped back in his face.

On May 08 2008 09:03 darktreb wrote:
Except with the way Flash is playing, that'll never happen.

On May 08 2008 10:37 Last Romantic wrote:
Pff. I think it's fine.

BTW Magma's been 'up and coming' since '06, I don't think that counts anymore.

UpMagic plays a lot, but loses a lot. he's sub 50% in every matchup.

eStro is quite bad, to be honest. Sangho's cool though.

On May 08 2008 12:53 ._. wrote:

eStro would be a decent team if they would at least win 50% of their ace matches.

They have this nasty habit of going 2-3 a lot of the time.

90% of the time its cause of their 2v2 pulls off and either Up/Tester/Cool/Magma pulled a win out of their ass.

And then comes the ace match where they end up failing hard..so sad.

Y'know on a random thought, I wonder why shitty 1v1 players do so well in 2v2. It doesn't make sense to me..top 1v1 players have stronger mechanics and game insight, having top players play as one mighty force almost never works out..wtf.

On May 08 2008 12:46 jimminy_kriket wrote:

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On May 08 2008 12:53 ._. wrote:

eStro would be a decent team if they would at least win 50% of their ace matches.

They have this nasty habit of going 2-3 a lot of the time.

90% of the time its cause of their 2v2 pulls off and either Up/Tester/Cool/Magma pulled a win out of their ass.

And then comes the ace match where they end up failing hard..so sad.

Y'know on a random thought, I wonder why shitty 1v1 players do so well in 2v2. It doesn't make sense to me..top 1v1 players have stronger mechanics and game insight, having top players play as one mighty force almost never works out..wtf.

I think Sangho would be a great player if he learned how to play late game better and had better nerves.
He can certainly play with the best of them, but he knows how to drag but never to finish.

On May 08 2008 13:42 teamsolid wrote:
I thought Flash did it as a way of saying "It's time to type gg and leave". You know, kind of like when you infest their burning main CC, or when Bisu came out with scouts vs Hwasin.

On May 08 2008 11:55 IntoTheWow wrote:


Don't underestimate the power of choking.

On May 08 2008 14:07 yoshtodd wrote:
I don't get why people are so mad about this stuff. Basically if the winning player can dick around that much without risk of losing, then the other player should GG already instead of prolonging their death. I would call it even more BM to make your opponent destroy all your buildings before you'll leave the game when you've clearly lost already. If Magma were still in the game, then Flash doing stuff like that might be shooting himself in the foot.

I still think it's possible he meant to irradiate them. When you've spent the last 20-30 minutes going all out 300 apm, I don't think it's unreasonable to think he may have pressed d (or whatever the d-matrix key is) instead of i.

On May 08 2008 11:51 XCetron wrote:


like what his name made 50gateways? lol

On May 08 2008 20:10 Mada_Jiang wrote:
In any sport, from track and field to a professional game of chess, you treat all your opponents with respect. It is called good sportsmenship. You would be booed if you did something like this in any sport. But I guess SC in Korea is more show biz than a sport.

On May 08 2008 20:30 ColdLava wrote:


That was fOru against NaDa.

By the way, some people take pro gamer's feelings too seriously.

On May 09 2008 01:36 mrdx wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?

There is a clear line between being entertaining and acting like a complete dick. Flash was being cocky and stupid, and that thing should never be repeated again, for these reasons:

- Magma played really well vs the no.1 player. After such a long, intense and beautiful game, he deserved some respect, not getting humiliated like that. Imagine yourself playing a 1 hour sweating game and at the end of the game your opponent, who has just managed to closely win the game, do something like that as if he has owned you the entire game.

- Very amazing comebacks do happen in Starcraft. Fans should not forget that, and Flash himself shouldn't too. Flash should also be aware that just like every previous dominant player, his prime won't last forever and he better appreciate it.

- Doing this when the game was not over might affect your opponent mentality in a unfair way. I'm not saying that Flash intentionally did that to piss Magma off so he lost temper, but it might have very likely turned out that way. Such things would make professional SC matches look like B.Net public games.

- And yes, sportsmanship matters. What if the Koreans do humiliating shit like that to every foreigners in WCG Grand Finals 'cos they are all newb to them and games are over before they are even played, so instead of playing straightup, why don't do something fun and humiliating? Will that still be entertaining or 'badass' anymore?

On May 09 2008 01:41 mrdx wrote:

Playing a long Starcraft match on TV is not like being on a show, and behind it is countless of practice hours and hope. Have you ever seen them sweat, cry, or even pass out? Yes, their feelings are something that fans should appreciate more than many things else.

On May 09 2008 01:36 mrdx wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?
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On May 09 2008 02:08 ForAdun wrote:


Never seen how fighters behave? Would you call them laughing and grinning during the fight bad behaviour? Hell no, this is part of the fight and it's entertaining. If a fighter can't live with it he's just too weak in his heart. It's that simple, if you can't stand being laughed at you also can't stand the pressure of progaming.

On May 09 2008 01:36 mrdx wrote:
WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH SOME OF YOU PEOPLE?
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On May 10 2008 17:57 mrdx wrote:
Since I always see the game as a true sport, it's hard to accept such bm in any way. But well to many TLers, progaming can be purely entertainment, that's fine.
(Promise to myself not to ever read threads regarding FBH and other bm by the pros again. -_-)

On May 08 2008 07:59 Djabanete wrote:
Is it just me or is this sort of thing getting more common? Go.go has being doing it rather a lot (sending firebats vs firebathero when he'd already won, or building a command center inside the base of some protoss after successfully rushing), and now Flash with this defensive matrix...

I guess I subscribe to the view that nothing you do within the game is really BM, because if you're in a position to be dicking around and they can't stop you, it's because they've already lost anyway. That said I personally don't do stuff like that, I just try to finish them off as efficiently as possible...

EDIT: not that FBH didn't deserve some firebat ownage.