[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates - Page 4

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FlaShFTW

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4 hours ago

#61

On January 20 2026 04:39 Kraekkling wrote:

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Yeah it mostly means that P does terrible vs Z on those maps.

I did some napkin math on this some time ago and it's completely negligible imo - it's sth like 350 extra minerals (per additional patch) over the course of an average length game of 12 minutes.

But the problem with the maps is usually that P is either to easily contained, or that they have trouble taking and holding additional bases.

3 extra zealots does exactly nothing to address such problems

What do you think would be better then for addressing balance concerns without completely altering standard map design? What about more gas, as it seems like Zerg is the one who wants more gas duration in ZvT, same with Protoss in PvZ. What about bumping main and natural gas up to 6k?

Kraekkling

593 Posts

2 hours ago

#62

On January 20 2026 04:53 FlaShFTW wrote:

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idk and I don't think anyone knows

you can give Protoss a few % win rate by making cannon rush strong or make some obnoxious zealot spots

Maybe use some ways to nerf hydra bust builds, like on Knock Out. There are also some other ways to do this which we haven't seen on official maps yet.

But generally if the problems are due to map layout, it can't be fixed without changing the layout... one can only buff Protoss in other places.

edit: I think I might have misread your question, I was specifically referring to maps where P struggles, which I assume is the reason they added more mineral patches on the candidate maps. I think P does fine on standard maps like FS, Radeon, etc. Or rather, on such standard maps it's sufficient to wiggle around small details to get PvZ to 50% WR.

Increasing gas values could work as you describe, it's a good idea to try imo.

Kraekkling

593 Posts

12 minutes ago

#63

lol they were playing on the new maps today and there is a bug on the ash map where one spawn gets 4 eggs instead of 2

it was relevant to the game because the resulting choke is much smaller

the bug is something which can happen quite easily in the map editor. when you place the eggs it's very easy to accidently place more than one at a time, and they remain stacked in the editor.

it only becomes apparent in-game, because they spawn unstacked. but this also means that no one bothered to check the map in-game before it got uploaded?? super lazy wtf

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