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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
Attitude just some natural mineral changes and mining optimizations. Still waiting on them to fix Match Point so the map is entirely symmetrical. As it stands I don't think keeping the ramps as they are qualifies this as a tournament level map by today's standards. | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1309 Posts
On January 28 2026 03:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Some updates, maps were updated to 0.9 for Jane Doe and Attitude. Jane Doe saw the front yard egg removed and ramps changed to north-south ramps rather than diagonal. Attitude just some natural mineral changes and mining optimizations. Still waiting on them to fix Match Point so the map is entirely symmetrical. As it stands I don't think keeping the ramps as they are qualifies this as a tournament level map by today's standards. That Jane doe ramp change was specifically because you could make the scouting worker clip into the marine by sending it back to your own minerals and immediately canceling the command IF you had placed your worker on the far side of the marine on the ramp relative to your own base. This would make it "mineral" walk into the marine, and if canceled, the game would force BOTH units to move. This effectively made the marine+medic block completely useless. | ||
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Ideas
United States8178 Posts
On January 28 2026 03:10 FlaShFTW wrote: Some updates, maps were updated to 0.9 for Jane Doe and Attitude. Jane Doe saw the front yard egg removed and ramps changed to north-south ramps rather than diagonal. Attitude just some natural mineral changes and mining optimizations. Still waiting on them to fix Match Point so the map is entirely symmetrical. As it stands I don't think keeping the ramps as they are qualifies this as a tournament level map by today's standards. What part of match point isn't symmetrical? | ||
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seRapH
United States9823 Posts
I don't actually mind maps not being symmetrical as long as both spawns are even though, think sometimes its even kinda neat but this isn't really the case for match point as the whole purpose is for it to be as balanced as possible. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7026 Posts
And this is me without seeing FlaSh playing lol. You can see Royal/ Rush / Barracks are so buffed. | ||
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Miragee
8707 Posts
On January 28 2026 10:18 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote: That Jane doe ramp change was specifically because you could make the scouting worker clip into the marine by sending it back to your own minerals and immediately canceling the command IF you had placed your worker on the far side of the marine on the ramp relative to your own base. This would make it "mineral" walk into the marine, and if canceled, the game would force BOTH units to move. This effectively made the marine+medic block completely useless. I love this game, lol. | ||
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Kraekkling
743 Posts
On January 29 2026 00:54 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: This MP is so terran that im expecting minimum 3 terrans in ASL semis. And this is me without seeing FlaSh playing lol. You can see Royal/ Rush / Barracks are so buffed. actually funny as fuck, its like Terrans are someones favourite child and if they have to live one more season without winning ASL they're going to commit mass suicide just look at the map WRs LOL Neo Sylphid overall: (54.8%) TvZ: 892 wins, 619 losses (59.0%) TvP: 907 wins, 862 losses (51.3%) Pole Star overall: (59.1%) TvZ: 636 wins, 418 losses (60.3%) TvP: 443 wins, 329 losses (57.4%) Knock Out overall: (55.1%) TvZ: 259 wins, 212 losses (55.0%) TvP: 182 wins, 147 losses (55.3%) and really it's not like ANY of the newly added maps look bad for Terran if there was a single season of maps which were anywhere close to being this Zerg favoured, we'd see multiple progamers stop playing + Show Spoiler + *muffled Protoss noises somewhere in the distance* | ||
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Miragee
8707 Posts
On January 29 2026 02:04 Kraekkling wrote: actually funny as fuck, its like Terrans are someones favourite child and if they have to live one more season without winning ASL they're going to commit mass suicide just look at the map WRs LOL Neo Sylphid overall: (54.8%) TvZ: 892 wins, 619 losses (59.0%) TvP: 907 wins, 862 losses (51.3%) Pole Star overall: (59.1%) TvZ: 636 wins, 418 losses (60.3%) TvP: 443 wins, 329 losses (57.4%) Knock Out overall: (55.1%) TvZ: 259 wins, 212 losses (55.0%) TvP: 182 wins, 147 losses (55.3%) and really it's not like ANY of the newly added maps look bad for Terran if there was a single season of maps which were anywhere close to being this Zerg favoured, we'd see multiple progamers stop playing + Show Spoiler + *muffled Protoss noises somewhere in the distance* The maps are balanced, it's just that terrans are more talented. + Show Spoiler + Artosis, probably ;P | ||
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Kraekkling
743 Posts
overall: (59.1%) TvZ: 636 wins, 418 losses (60.3%) TvP: 443 wins, 329 losses (57.4%) man I can't get over this its literally one of the most imbalanced maps of all time, you have to scroll down to fucking Monty Hall on eloboard to find something comparable it had these stats since ASL 19 it was picked again for ASL 20 it was picked again for ASL 21 edit: nvm Citadel was just as T favoured, but at least it was kept for one season only. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3208 Posts
On January 24 2026 16:10 GTR wrote: wish they'd just take classic maps and remaster them for the modern day - i would love to see something like peaks of baekdu or ride of valkyries reimagined for modern play. edit: a lot of concepts that were submitted in the new worlds map contest a few years ago would be perfect. My humble suggestion: Arkanoid, Hitchhiker, Longinus 2, Reverse Temple | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
The ramps are the biggest issue. Most of them are not inverted properly. Also, its interesting because yes, the maps are Terran favored by statistics, but Terrans are still struggling. ASL18 was the one time Terran had more than 2 players in bracket stage. Funny enough ASL15 had 5 zergs in bracket and it turned into a TvT final. Protoss is really the lone race out (obviously) with a failure to capture ASL titles consistently, but they usually get 3 players into the bracket along with Zerg getting 3 players too. Be interesting to see the true breakdown in stats for bracket stage by round by race. | ||
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ahwala
Germany418 Posts
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oxKnu
1267 Posts
Ridiculous. | ||
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Kanzzer
62 Posts
On January 15 2026 01:55 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Metropolis yes. What does Metropolis do better than Retro in your opinion? Does it surpass FS? | ||
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oxKnu
1267 Posts
To say this is a FS-style Protoss meat-grinder is an understatement. Wow. | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On February 03 2026 22:36 Kanzzer wrote: What does Metropolis do better than Retro in your opinion? Does it surpass FS? Metropolis is far better than Retro in the sense that the main/nat layouts give a lot more play to mutalisks, as well as right outside the natural. Metropolis's center also feels more dynamic than Retros which gives more flanking and counter play to Zerg. | ||
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Kanzzer
62 Posts
On February 04 2026 03:19 FlaShFTW wrote: Metropolis is far better than Retro in the sense that the main/nat layouts give a lot more play to mutalisks, as well as right outside the natural. Metropolis's center also feels more dynamic than Retros which gives more flanking and counter play to Zerg. Would you say its TvP is also an improvement over Retro or FS? Protoss vetoed FS in TvP 3 out of 4 times in ASL11 and vetoed Metropolis in TvP all 3 times it was offered in group stages (though Protoss leads 2-1 in all PvT mandatory Metropolis matches). P never vetoed Retro in all 3 seasons it was used against T though (T vetoed twice out of total 11 times Retro was offered). | ||
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FlaShFTW
United States10563 Posts
On February 04 2026 04:35 Kanzzer wrote: Would you say its TvP is also an improvement over Retro or FS? Protoss vetoed FS in TvP 3 out of 4 times in ASL11 and vetoed Metropolis in TvP all 3 times it was offered in group stages (though Protoss leads 2-1 in all PvT mandatory Metropolis matches). P never vetoed Retro in all 3 seasons it was used against T though (T vetoed twice out of total 11 times Retro was offered). Metropolis is just a dogshit map for Protoss at top levels. 45% PZ and 41% PT. Not entirely sure the reason for such a bad PZ matchup, my guess is that 1-1 pushes are super strong because of the chokes. PT is bad because Terran takes the center as a 4th base and once they set up tanks there, Protoss can't move around the edges because of how the map layout is without taking significant losses. Retro is actually a super balanced map outside of ZvT. All the other matchups are within 2.5%. It's possible if we ever get a 2.0, we could look to make the mineral lines more vulnerable at the naturals for muta harass. Not sure what else the map needs after that but that would be a good place to start. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4283 Posts
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iopq
United States1180 Posts
On February 04 2026 05:38 FlaShFTW wrote: Metropolis is just a dogshit map for Protoss at top levels. 45% PZ and 41% PT. Not entirely sure the reason for such a bad PZ matchup, my guess is that 1-1 pushes are super strong because of the chokes. PT is bad because Terran takes the center as a 4th base and once they set up tanks there, Protoss can't move around the edges because of how the map layout is without taking significant losses. Retro is actually a super balanced map outside of ZvT. All the other matchups are within 2.5%. It's possible if we ever get a 2.0, we could look to make the mineral lines more vulnerable at the naturals for muta harass. Not sure what else the map needs after that but that would be a good place to start. No, just put overlord posts everywhere. It doesn't affect ZvP because Protoss gets corsair anyway so they don't really run around with dragoons sniping overlords. Why Radeon is relatively balanced is because there are places to put your overlords to get good map vision. You can even put the divot against hydra busts in front of the natural, it wouldn't hurt the balance. | ||
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