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On April 04 2025 19:52 mtcn77 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 18:00 Miragee wrote:On April 04 2025 04:45 mtcn77 wrote:On April 03 2025 17:17 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Now that the first round is over, the first list seems pretty accurate. JD probably is b-tier though, same as light Yep, while at that I would highly recommend dropping Hero to B too. You don't become an athlete of the sport by binging drinks. That includes the both of them. I love rooting for them, but they need to wisen up their game. Starcraft is too important to throw your health this time around. Good health and smart reflexes win games. What's the context here? Is Hero drinking a lot on stream or what? He looked really strong in his group, a lot stronger than Light and especially Jaedong. Good. If you look at the ro4 introductions last season that is what he said while sharp said he exercised and got in shape.
Ah thanks, I almost never catch these interviews because they are only being translated in the Tastosis VoDs.
On April 04 2025 20:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.
Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind. There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved. Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function + Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
Yeah pretty much. And for all the unhealthy aspects of team houses, I think they actually cared more for the players' health in terms of diet/meals, regular workouts etc. than players do for themselves nowadays. Most players during the Kespa era were in fairly good shape considering they spent 8-12 hours a days sitting in front of a PC. Overweight players were rare. Nowadays, almost every ex-pro gained a considerable amount of weight.
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On April 04 2025 20:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.
Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind. There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved. Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function + Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
It isn't evident what neurotoxic actually means, but heart is also a nerve tissue. If you have cardiotoxicity, you will have arrhythmias which is the same as heart failure. You can't compete if you have atrial fibrillation(I learned that from the O.C.). AF causes 25% deficit in cardiac output. When you compete every bit of stamina counts.
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JD just 5:4 Best...
It's weird with JD. Lately his performance at least in a BO9 was good enough for A at least. Maybe the BO1 format is doing him a disservice?
edit: also in one game, he spotted a DT and its direction under fog of war by hovering a hatchery over it.... I have never seen anyone do that before
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On April 04 2025 22:34 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
JD just 5:4 Best...
It's weird with JD. Lately his performance at least in a BO9 was good enough for A at least. Maybe the BO1 format is doing him a disservice?
edit: also in one game, he spotted a DT and its direction under fog of war by hovering a hatchery over it.... I have never seen anyone do that before
that is really smart use of construction blocking mechanics.
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On April 04 2025 20:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.
Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind. There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved. Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function + Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
Yeah, I mean I didn't try to imply them being overweight or drinking does not affect their performance as a progamer. Well in fact there are probably downsides to everything they do as a human being.
It's just most of these guys are living the life of a streamer now (drinking , unhealthy diet, sitting too much, lack of exercises, and most importantly, terrible sleeping habit), not professional gamer, let alone athlete. So to call them or hold them to the standards of sports athletes just feels weird.
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On March 13 2025 03:12 iFU.pauline wrote:
Also Jaedong rank is just about right, he is in a much better shape than the last time I watched him in 2021, I hope he continues to grind games everyday as he does at the moment, he might overtake Soulkey in the future who knows.
+ Show Spoiler +Ro24 had me worried after the first match between him and Stork, but seeing his play vs Skey and then the decider match vs Stork, it's clear he's still got that killer instinct. Say what you want about the ling all in being cheesy (Artosis sure did), the fact that he caught the probe, identified the opportunity to all-in, then committed to it and won vs a player as familiar with his play as Stork is testament to the fact that the Tyrant still lives.
JAEDONG FIGHTING!!!
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On April 05 2025 01:33 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 20:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.
Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind. There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved. Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function + Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health Yeah, I mean I didn't try to imply them being overweight or drinking does not affect their performance as a progamer. Well in fact there are probably downsides to everything they do as a human being. It's just most of these guys are living the life of a streamer now (drinking , unhealthy diet, sitting too much, lack of exercises, and most importantly, terrible sleeping habit), not professional gamer, let alone athlete. So to call them or hold them to the standards of sports athletes just feels weird.
you're definitely right that it is pointless to hold them to the same standards. Different ball game all together compared to traditionally physical sports.
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[B]So to call them or hold them to the standards of sports athletes just feels weird.
I can't be the only one... lol
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On April 05 2025 01:33 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2025 20:57 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.
Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind. There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved. Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function + Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health Yeah, I mean I didn't try to imply them being overweight or drinking does not affect their performance as a progamer. Well in fact there are probably downsides to everything they do as a human being. It's just most of these guys are living the life of a streamer now (drinking , unhealthy diet, sitting too much, lack of exercises, and most importantly, terrible sleeping habit), not professional gamer, let alone athlete. So to call them or hold them to the standards of sports athletes just feels weird.
Whether we call them streamers, or esports people is just wordplay. What matters is good preparation and whether they take the title seriously, health being no less important than good sparring partners to ready up some build orders.
Sharp went further than Hero last season and all things being equal it will happen again if either of them compete on worse preparation.
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I think there is a heavy optimisation pressure on the early game and trying to lengthen that period in the game. That really pushes the envelope this season.
It started with Terrans doing mineral only expansions and heavy vulture play, zergs doing early contains and protosses dropping dragoons entirely in recent rounds. Each time the players got more out of the early game and those who couldn't adapt dropped out, unfairly to those who might miss this meta shift.
I won't go as far as to say it was Hero who started it in ASL 15 game 5 of the Ro4, but this gutsy play at zerg contain in order to push the terran opponent into a specific tech tree - academy play rather than mech - is one of the manifestations of this early game pressure.
I think Queen started it proper vs Flash last season, but the true champion has been True. It was totally gutsy of him trying this against Barracks out of all the terrans. Hero and Action have also done variations of these. Hero have given up a third, Action on the other hand was even bolder: he stayed at two base and put Tyson on the defensive by faking out a hydra bust, but backed out without firing a single shot.
These are essentially the same misdirections more openly fielded by Soulkey, however with Soulkey you get to see the commit in the tech tree. With these other breakthrough players, there isn't a commitment to any tech tree. The genius is extreme flexibility in doing whatever you want under the cover of fog and putting the onus on the opponent to solve what to do next and trying to gain an advantage from their mistakes.
Protosses also have done this 2-gate pushes that really widen the gap of map control in PvZ. People really criticised Bisu, but he is actually one of the forerunners of merging of the timelines back to 2005. If he gets his way, the long awaited zerg dominance since 2005 when macro became a thing is coming to an end. I think we are up for less boring early games and more excitement to come.
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I would switch Mini for BesT there. Mini is só good at longe series and risky plays while BesT seems so affected by stage games that i would never bet on BesT going further than Mini even if offline he was getting better results.
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On April 07 2025 00:03 kaspa84 wrote:I would switch Mini for BesT there. Mini is só good at longe series and risky plays while BesT seems so affected by stage games that i would never bet on BesT going further than Mini even if offline he was getting better results.
Yeah, BeSt gets hyped up every season and then at some point just falls apart. Dude has been in every ASL since ASL 2 and has managed to make it to the Ro4... I think twice? Rarely ever even the Ro8.
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the ASL 19 ro16 draw is live now - we can see the pros tier list there 
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Here is the draw, SK switched hero for light. Kind of strange given that light was considered the best tvz specialist for long tme.
JD regarded pretty high again.
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ZvZ is too unpredictable so it makes sense, plus he now has only one mu to train. It should be an easy group for SK.
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Any insight as to some of the group politics that went on? The swap seems weird though, I would’ve expected Soulkey to want Bisu if he wanted a free group out, though picking hero also means SK won’t see him in the Ro8 at minimum
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On April 07 2025 20:36 Zografa wrote:Here is the draw, SK switched hero for light. Kind of strange given that light was considered the best tvz specialist for long tme. JD regarded pretty high again.
I discussed this before. SK isn't afraid of this Light TvZ specialist hype. If anything he sees him as fodder.
https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28255791
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Do we know the ro16 group play dates?
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On April 08 2025 02:18 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
Do we know the ro16 group play dates?
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