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On April 27 2025 00:38 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2025 00:06 TMNT wrote:On April 26 2025 23:38 Miragee wrote:On April 26 2025 19:08 TMNT wrote:
It's just sad that more content = more disinformation among the community, while it's supposed to create a more informed audience. I think this is where you are wrong. These casts are first and foremost entertainment, nothing else. There are people who cast or have been casting "random" replays from the ladder of games they found exciting. They are entertainment and disinformation. The two things are not mutually exclusive. If you put out these casts you have a responsiblity to inform viewers. What if I find a series where JD beat Light 4-0 a year ago and advertise it right before they play each other in the Ro8 of the current ASL. I know full well what I'm doing and the consequences it could lead to. I understand the argument, I just don't think there is that much of a responsibility case here. We are talking about watching Broodwar here. You make it sound like we are talking about current day politics and the responsibility of news anchors. Nobody is seriously going to be hurt here.
Depends on what you define hurt.
Say I'm a clueless viewer who watches these games which actually dated 6 months to 1 year ago, and think they were played recently, and gets my hope up for certain players, only to find out they are diabolical now because in BW form can change pretty quick. Or worse, people start calling some players mentally weak or something, because "just last week I saw him crushing in the SDS but today he choked in front of an offline audience".
Just on this board there are many JD fans who get their hope up every ASL. Expensive-Law-9830 probably one of them, hence he posted the results of JD 4-1 Snow thinking it was recently. In the comment they are all like "JD is on fire right now".
I wouldn't call it hurt. But there's clearly a negative impact here, just because the content creator doesn't want to reveal the dates of the games, presumably for their own economic gain.
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BUT Jaedong does happen to be on relative fire right now....they just think he is for the wrong reasons.
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On April 27 2025 01:38 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2025 00:38 Miragee wrote:On April 27 2025 00:06 TMNT wrote:On April 26 2025 23:38 Miragee wrote:On April 26 2025 19:08 TMNT wrote:
It's just sad that more content = more disinformation among the community, while it's supposed to create a more informed audience. I think this is where you are wrong. These casts are first and foremost entertainment, nothing else. There are people who cast or have been casting "random" replays from the ladder of games they found exciting. They are entertainment and disinformation. The two things are not mutually exclusive. If you put out these casts you have a responsiblity to inform viewers. What if I find a series where JD beat Light 4-0 a year ago and advertise it right before they play each other in the Ro8 of the current ASL. I know full well what I'm doing and the consequences it could lead to. I understand the argument, I just don't think there is that much of a responsibility case here. We are talking about watching Broodwar here. You make it sound like we are talking about current day politics and the responsibility of news anchors. Nobody is seriously going to be hurt here. Depends on what you define hurt. Say I'm a clueless viewer who watches these games which actually dated 6 months to 1 year ago, and think they were played recently, and gets my hope up for certain players, only to find out they are diabolical now because in BW form can change pretty quick. Or worse, people start calling some players mentally weak or something, because "just last week I saw him crushing in the SDS but today he choked in front of an offline audience". Just on this board there are many JD fans who get their hope up every ASL. Expensive-Law-9830 probably one of them, hence he posted the results of JD 4-1 Snow thinking it was recently. In the comment they are all like "JD is on fire right now". I wouldn't call it hurt. But there's clearly a negative impact here, just because the content creator doesn't want to reveal the dates of the games, presumably for their own economic gain.
Well, those people will lash on to anything to be fair. In other seasons people have chimed in saying something like "hey, I saw JD beat Light 5-0 yesterday on stream", which might not be wrong but also doesn't really mean much regarding the overall recent performance of either of the two. But people will use that information and spin it to what they want to believe anyways. That being said, I agree he (Saiyan) should reveal the date of the games. I just don't assume malicious intend based on speculation. To be fair, I didn't consider the economic gain as an incentive because his channel seems small. I'm not sure a few thousand views amount to enough ad revenue to make the hours invested (including acquisition of the replays, casting, post-processing, uploading) worthwhile in an economic sense.
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Any ro8+ predictions? Here's mine:
Zero > Best
Light > JD
Snow > Rain
SK > Rush
Light > Zero
SK > Snow
SK > Light
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BTW Zero is on fire recently, if he manages to skip past Light, he's the most probable of all to stop SK's 4-peat.
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I thought viewers knew those weren't recent games because of the map pool indeed. Never paid attention to the comments, but if Saiyan doesnt provide any informations about the timeline of those games and, on top of that, claiming that he doesnt know when asked... hes clearly misleading his viewers in order to get more views.
His casting is already subpar so it would be cool if he could at least not hold any information.
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I changed my predictions.
I'll go with
Best>ZerO
Light>Jaedong
Light>Best
Rain>SnOw
Soulkey>Rush
Soulkey>Rain
Light<Soulkey
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On April 27 2025 02:38 Miragee wrote:
Well, those people will lash on to anything to be fair. In other seasons people have chimed in saying something like "hey, I saw JD beat Light 5-0 yesterday on stream", which might not be wrong but also doesn't really mean much regarding the overall recent performance of either of the two. But people will use that information and spin it to what they want to believe anyways. That being said, I agree he (Saiyan) should reveal the date of the games. I just don't assume malicious intend based on speculation. To be fair, I didn't consider the economic gain as an incentive because his channel seems small. I'm not sure a few thousand views amount to enough ad revenue to make the hours invested (including acquisition of the replays, casting, post-processing, uploading) worthwhile in an economic sense.
No I don't think there's malice in it either, that's why I said it was sad, not bad.
As for the economic gain, it may not be right now, but as a youtuber/streamer you want your channel to grow. Ladder games from cwal were nice for a while but it seems too scattered, too random, and you rarely get big clashes on ladder. SDS is kind of the new gold mine for Saiyan and he has to mine effectively from it for his channel to grow. And the most effective way to do it requires being a little bit dishonest.
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On April 27 2025 03:37 bochs wrote:
Any ro8+ predictions? Here's mine:
Zero > Best
Light > JD
Snow > Rain
SK > Rush
Light > Zero
SK > Snow
SK > Light
This is the most likely outcome based on previous experiences. However, both Best and Rush have a chance to make it through as underdogs. My alternative universe bracket is:
Best > Zero
Light > JD
Snow > Rain
Rush > SK
Light > Best
Snow > Rush
Snow> Light
Of all the RO8 bracket upsets I find Rain beating Snow the less likely.
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On April 27 2025 22:21 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Currently JD vs Light on the korean starcast broadcast + Show Spoiler +
Starcast TV is not on today. Neither is JD or Light, What channel are you talking about?\
Never mind saw it. It's a premiere video (not a livestream, and definitely not live games) on SCTV KR Youtube. This series was of course played a long time ago (hence Minstrel is in the pool). Remember: if SCTV puts out free stuff for you to watch, whether in korean or english via Saiyan, it must be old.
Funny that in the comment section there are also Korean viewers complaining about not putting out a date of the games.
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On April 27 2025 22:45 TMNT wrote:Starcast TV is not on today. Neither is JD or Light, What channel are you talking about?\ Never mind saw it. It's a premiere video (not a livestream, and definitely not live games) on SCTV KR Youtube. This series was of course played a long time ago (hence Minstrel is in the pool). Remember: if SCTV puts out free stuff for you to watch, whether in korean or english via Saiyan, it must be old. Funny that in the comment section there are also Korean viewers complaining about not putting out a date of the games.
Man feels bad man...so much misinformation out there these days
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if u want current information just go to eloboard, this is the current april ranking before tomorrow:
1.light
2.snow
3.zero
4.sk
6.rush
7.JD
10. Rain
13. Best
If you lurk around the player vs player stats it seems Light vs JD is a done deal - JD has less than 30% vs light lifetime(last 10 years) and in the last 20 games between them he has won just 5.
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On April 27 2025 23:30 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2025 22:45 TMNT wrote:On April 27 2025 22:21 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Currently JD vs Light on the korean starcast broadcast + Show Spoiler + Starcast TV is not on today. Neither is JD or Light, What channel are you talking about?\ Never mind saw it. It's a premiere video (not a livestream, and definitely not live games) on SCTV KR Youtube. This series was of course played a long time ago (hence Minstrel is in the pool). Remember: if SCTV puts out free stuff for you to watch, whether in korean or english via Saiyan, it must be old. Funny that in the comment section there are also Korean viewers complaining about not putting out a date of the games. Man feels bad man...so much misinformation out there these days
On another note: JD 4-1 Snow. JD 4-0 Light. If he's maintained this form up until now (maybe he does).
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On April 27 2025 23:58 TMNT wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2025 23:30 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:On April 27 2025 22:45 TMNT wrote:On April 27 2025 22:21 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:Currently JD vs Light on the korean starcast broadcast + Show Spoiler + Starcast TV is not on today. Neither is JD or Light, What channel are you talking about?\ Never mind saw it. It's a premiere video (not a livestream, and definitely not live games) on SCTV KR Youtube. This series was of course played a long time ago (hence Minstrel is in the pool). Remember: if SCTV puts out free stuff for you to watch, whether in korean or english via Saiyan, it must be old. Funny that in the comment section there are also Korean viewers complaining about not putting out a date of the games. Man feels bad man...so much misinformation out there these days On another note: JD 4-1 Snow. JD 4-0 Light. If he's maintained this form up until now (maybe he does).
He has not sadly. Jaedong does well vs anyone not named kim minchul, lee jaeho or jang yoon chul. But then again, only jang yoon chul, lee jaeho and kim minchul do well vs kim minchul, lee jaeho and jang yoon chul. Flash does well vs Kim minchul though. Not vs Jang Yoon Chul. Lee Jaeho has had ups and down but is back in top shape it appears.
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But Kim Minchul is doing everything he can to avoid ZvZ haha, especially Kim Myungwoon and Lee Jaedong.
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On April 28 2025 00:55 bochs wrote:
But Kim Minchul is doing everything he can to avoid ZvZ haha, especially Kim Myungwoon and Lee Jaedong.
I think kim minchul wont have to play either of them. But there is a super small chance Kim Myungwoon will beat Do Jaewook and Lee Jaeho and get to finals where he could maybe beat Kim Minchul. But the chances are super small. Also Yoo Young Jin has decent odds vs Kim Minchul. There is a realistic chance Kim Minchul wont make it. Small, but it exists.
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there is a super small chance Kim Myungwoon will beat Do Jaewook and Lee Jaeho and get to finals where he could maybe beat Kim Minchul. But the chances are super small.
Based on his recent shape, I'm afraid the chances are not small, maybe as big as 20%.
Allso Yoo Young Jin has decent odds vs Kim Minchul.
I'm rooting for Minchul, so don't want to jinx it, but as long as Youngjin plays predictable style which he is known for, I don't really see how he can win in a bo7 series. Minchul fairs worse against unpredictable Terrans, like Lee Youngho and Kim Jisung in his top form.
And I think jang yoon chul has a better chance to stop Minchul than Youngjin. I have an impression that yoonchul is leading in his recent matches against Minchul.
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Ok so that's how it feels like in the Korean community where they only refer to progamers by their real names lol.
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Likelihood of winning ASL19:
Minchul 50%
Myungwoon 20%
Yoonchul 20%
Jaeho 10%
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