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ASL 19 Pre-season Power-rankings/tier List - Page 7

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Nirli
Profile Joined February 2023
Bulgaria381 Posts
March 25 2025 15:58 GMT
#121
On March 25 2025 23:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
i really undersold some players on my first tier list draft. wasnt sure about placing some players higher but I should have. the signs were there.

I'm still eagerly anticipating the miracle of Best.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
March 25 2025 16:30 GMT
#122
On March 26 2025 00:58 Nirli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2025 23:01 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
i really undersold some players on my first tier list draft. wasnt sure about placing some players higher but I should have. the signs were there.

I'm still eagerly anticipating the miracle of Best.

may the gods be favorable for our boy best
JDON MY SOUL!
Expensive-Law-9830
Profile Joined April 2024
130 Posts
April 03 2025 08:17 GMT
#123
Now that the first round is over, the first list seems pretty accurate. JD probably is b-tier though, same as light
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
282 Posts
April 03 2025 10:53 GMT
#124
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
April 03 2025 11:06 GMT
#125
On April 03 2025 19:53 Zografa wrote:
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.

time for a round of 16 tier list?
JDON MY SOUL!
Expensive-Law-9830
Profile Joined April 2024
130 Posts
April 03 2025 11:06 GMT
#126
On April 03 2025 19:53 Zografa wrote:
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.


Well online he still looked very solid, but the game vs Stork reminds me of Queen a year ago: play not to lose
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
282 Posts
April 03 2025 13:35 GMT
#127
On April 03 2025 20:06 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2025 19:53 Zografa wrote:
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.


Well online he still looked very solid, but the game vs Stork reminds me of Queen a year ago: play not to lose


JD is literally the most experienced offline player in the ASL, what would bring his form in live event down?
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-03 15:17:47
April 03 2025 15:12 GMT
#128
On April 03 2025 22:35 Zografa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2025 20:06 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
On April 03 2025 19:53 Zografa wrote:
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.


Well online he still looked very solid, but the game vs Stork reminds me of Queen a year ago: play not to lose


JD is literally the most experienced offline player in the ASL, what would bring his form in live event down?

He has said himself that he gets in negative mindset on stage, self doubt and such. He doesnt have the same confidence anymore because his micro and multitasking is no longer on its own unique level. most pros have his level of micro and multlitasking these days. He can no longer sqeeuze out small advantages with it. These days its more about optimizations with timings, exact unit and worker numbers, misdirections, cutting corners, decisive attacks and retreats, securing areas etc. Jaedong has shown to be weaker at specifically misdiredtion, decisive movements and exact unit numbers.
JDON MY SOUL!
Zografa
Profile Joined February 2023
282 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-03 17:52:39
April 03 2025 17:51 GMT
#129
On April 04 2025 00:12 RJBTVYOUTUBE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2025 22:35 Zografa wrote:
On April 03 2025 20:06 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
On April 03 2025 19:53 Zografa wrote:
From his performance in ro24 alone JD seems to be tier 4 for the upcoming ro16(i mean only obviously worse players than him are Scan and probably Action(not sure tbf).

He will generally be drafted as tier 3 probably because his ZvZ is unpredictable and SK will want him out of his group.


Well online he still looked very solid, but the game vs Stork reminds me of Queen a year ago: play not to lose


JD is literally the most experienced offline player in the ASL, what would bring his form in live event down?

He has said himself that he gets in negative mindset on stage, self doubt and such. He doesnt have the same confidence anymore because his micro and multitasking is no longer on its own unique level. most pros have his level of micro and multlitasking these days. He can no longer sqeeuze out small advantages with it. These days its more about optimizations with timings, exact unit and worker numbers, misdirections, cutting corners, decisive attacks and retreats, securing areas etc. Jaedong has shown to be weaker at specifically misdiredtion, decisive movements and exact unit numbers.


Thats true, however it just means the field got better and JD just did not improve on top of what he was capable 15 years ago, not that he is bad offline, in fact if anything - he should have advantage offline because he is used to play in front of crowds and in a studio set up. He has probably more than 200 big live events(both BW and SC2 combined).
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1112 Posts
April 03 2025 17:58 GMT
#130
ASL 19 RO16 Rankings ?
Heres mine

T4
Scan
barracks
Rain
Jaedong

T3
Action
Sharp
Best
Bisu

T2
Light
ZerO
Speed
Mini

T1
hero
Rush
SnOw
Soulkey
ruhtraeel
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada131 Posts
April 03 2025 18:48 GMT
#131
JD needs to realize that he can't just randomly switch into all-ins in 2025 and win consistently

He needs to play steady macro games
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey695 Posts
April 03 2025 19:45 GMT
#132
On April 03 2025 17:17 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Now that the first round is over, the first list seems pretty accurate. JD probably is b-tier though, same as light

Yep, while at that I would highly recommend dropping Hero to B too. You don't become an athlete of the sport by binging drinks. That includes the both of them. I love rooting for them, but they need to wisen up their game. Starcraft is too important to throw your health this time around. Good health and smart reflexes win games.
Turrican
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-03 23:53:41
April 03 2025 23:41 GMT
#133
https://tiermaker.com/create/asl-19-round-of-16-power-ranking-16848610

new tier list maker~
[image loading]
JDON MY SOUL!
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1112 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 00:33:16
April 04 2025 00:32 GMT
#134
What am i missing here ? Why is Rush so low ?
...and Rain so high ?!??
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 01:02:58
April 04 2025 01:00 GMT
#135
On April 04 2025 09:32 TornadoSteve wrote:
What am i missing here ? Why is Rush so low ?
...and Rain so high ?!??

It isn't that Rush is low, its that others are higher because they are playing better at this moment in time. Rain is an enigma. he somehow pulls up and performs despite looking bad.
JDON MY SOUL!
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8658 Posts
April 04 2025 09:00 GMT
#136
On April 04 2025 04:45 mtcn77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 03 2025 17:17 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Now that the first round is over, the first list seems pretty accurate. JD probably is b-tier though, same as light

Yep, while at that I would highly recommend dropping Hero to B too. You don't become an athlete of the sport by binging drinks. That includes the both of them. I love rooting for them, but they need to wisen up their game. Starcraft is too important to throw your health this time around. Good health and smart reflexes win games.


What's the context here? Is Hero drinking a lot on stream or what? He looked really strong in his group, a lot stronger than Light and especially Jaedong.
TMNT
Profile Joined January 2021
3157 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-04-04 10:36:48
April 04 2025 10:36 GMT
#137
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.

Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind.
mtcn77
Profile Joined September 2013
Turkey695 Posts
April 04 2025 10:52 GMT
#138
On April 04 2025 18:00 Miragee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 04 2025 04:45 mtcn77 wrote:
On April 03 2025 17:17 Expensive-Law-9830 wrote:
Now that the first round is over, the first list seems pretty accurate. JD probably is b-tier though, same as light

Yep, while at that I would highly recommend dropping Hero to B too. You don't become an athlete of the sport by binging drinks. That includes the both of them. I love rooting for them, but they need to wisen up their game. Starcraft is too important to throw your health this time around. Good health and smart reflexes win games.


What's the context here? Is Hero drinking a lot on stream or what? He looked really strong in his group, a lot stronger than Light and especially Jaedong.

Good. If you look at the ro4 introductions last season that is what he said while sharp said he exercised and got in shape.
Turrican
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands1219 Posts
April 04 2025 11:57 GMT
#139
On April 04 2025 19:36 TMNT wrote:
That's some weird take. I mean they are the best progamers out there but I'm more of an athlete than these guys lol. If we consider physical appearance most of them are overweight I believe and yeah Hero is probably only second to Mong in that category.

Doesn't limit his capability of hitting SH, mind.


There's negative effects to being obese for a gamer, but it comes mostly from the increased exposed risk to bad sleep. Sleep has been proven over and over to be one of the most important factors in facilitating consistent cognitive performance at a high level. Worse sleep decreases cognitive performance over time. There is a linear correlation between obesity and Obstructive Sleep Apnea. In obese people, fat deposits in the upper respiratory tract narrow the airway; there is a decrease in muscle activity in this region, leading to hypoxic and apneic episodes, ultimately resulting in sleep apnea. These hypoxia/apnea episodes lead to a decrease in oxygen that is available in body tissues and blood vessels. The decreased oxygenation causes tissue hypoxia, which is the main contributing factor to atherosclerosis, the main risk factor for Cardiovascular Diseases. So for both present day performance and future health there's risks involved.

Another issue is there not being any safe amount of alcohol consumption. Any amount of alcohol is neurotoxic and already has a negative effects on the body and cognitive function
+ Show Spoiler [negative side effects of low amounts o…] +

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https://www.who.int/europe/news/item/04-01-2023-no-level-of-alcohol-consumption-is-safe-for-our-health
JDON MY SOUL!
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4257 Posts
April 04 2025 12:34 GMT
#140
Very interesting ro16 lineup. Exciting stuff.
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